Why didn't the reformation just side with the Orthodox Church?

Pethesedzao · Feb 22, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Then why do the different reformation churches teach different things?

Revelation Knowledge...

Pethesedzao · Feb 22, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Then why do the different reformation churches teach different things?

No Christian knows everything about God YET...

Albion · Feb 22, 2019

Pethesedzao · Feb 22, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Seeing that causing division among the brethren is an abomination to God, that seems to work in favour of church unity being a move of the Spirit.

I preach and teach so that every one who hears my voice and reads my posts will come to love Jesus Christ more than they did a minute ago...

Pethesedzao · Feb 22, 2019

Monk Brendan said:
Then why do the different reformation churches teach different things?

again I stress, Revelation Knowledge

Pethesedzao · Feb 22, 2019

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Apologetic_Warrior · Feb 22, 2019

JohnB445 said:
Divisions are not allowed.

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

When Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword, he is referring to divisions. The context is forsaking even family for Christ, that because of Him, there will be divisions in families, and the implications of the passage extends beyond immediate family. We have to agree on some level, all this division is the will of God, otherwise we deny His power to put an end to it, and His wisdom in allowing it. There is a unity in the Spirit all Christian have, and at times it is recognized and encouraged. This may sound strange, but one example, would be concerts by CCM artist Carman. I've been to a couple, and there were Christians from many denominations, praising the Lord together, it is a wonderful experience. One glad day, when we are with the Lord, all the divisions will cease, and we will live with our Lord in peace. Until then, we are engaged in a spiritual war, and sometimes we are our own worst enemy, sad but true.

JohnB445 · Feb 22, 2019

Apologetic_Warrior said:
When Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword, he is referring to divisions. The context is forsaking even family for Christ, that because of Him, there will be divisions in families, and the implications of the passage extends beyond immediate family. We have to agree on some level, all this division is the will of God, otherwise we deny His power to put an end to it, and His wisdom in allowing it. There is a unity in the Spirit all Christian have, and at times it is recognized and encouraged. This may sound strange, but one example, would be concerts by CCM artist Carman. I've been to a couple, and there were Christians from many denominations, praising the Lord together, it is a wonderful experience. One glad day, when we are with the Lord, all the divisions will cease, and we will live with our Lord in peace. Until then, we are engaged in a spiritual war, and sometimes we are our own worst enemy, sad but true.

But doesn't division just cause confusion.

I have no clue if I have the right doctrines if Church x,y and z are coming up with different doctrines.

And some doctrines are extremely important to have down.

Pethesedzao · Feb 22, 2019

Michael Collum said:
So let me get this straight, you're commenting on the reformation being a move of the Spirit, but you're also advocating progressive revelation?

wasn't the progressive revelation of the magisterium one of the reasons the reformation happened in the first place?

Jesus ordained 'progressive revelation' in Matthew 16

Ignatius the Kiwi · Feb 22, 2019

Because the reformers not only disagreed with the Catholics on ecclesiastical issues but theological issues. The reformers invented new dogmatic expressions which were foreign to the Eastern Orthodox Church's vocabulary and also came to reject many ecclesiastical elements that the Orthodox Church agrees with the Catholics on.

Lutherans did try to reach out to the Patriarch of Constantinople and were hoping to be recognized but were ultimately disappointed when they found out the Patriarch corrected them on most points of theology fundamental to the reformation.

I think Protestantism as a whole must conclude the Orthodox were just as apostate as the Catholics in order to maintain their own validity.

Apologetic_Warrior · Feb 22, 2019

JohnB445 said:
But doesn't division just cause confusion.

I have no clue if I have the right doctrines if Church x,y and z are coming up with different doctrines.

And some doctrines are extremely important to have down.

Yes and no. A person can understand differences among different Christian groups where it would be more confusing if all the same Christians were in the same group. As far as which one is right, it's not like only one is right, or that all others have it all wrong. It's not like that, some are more right than others, or to put it in better terms, some are closer to biblical truths than others, which I personally believe Reformed doctrine to be the most accurate expression of biblical truth, especially expressed in the Confessions. You are right on the importance of some doctrines, the Trinity and attributes of God, and doctrines of salvation, especially justification, come to mind.

Athanasius377 · Feb 22, 2019

Easy questions tonight huh?

Sonny J. Reeves · Feb 22, 2019

Pethesedzao said:
The Church is being built up on Revelation Knowledge, which is one of the rocks that's building up the Body of Christ

How many "rocks" are we to build?
Is that latter day revelations?
Please explain your metaphor with scripture

HTacianas · Feb 22, 2019

Pethesedzao said:
again I stress, Revelation Knowledge

Is it revelation knowledge that tells the Baptists that women cannot be preachers and then tells the methodists they can?

After two thousand years of Christian teaching that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ and universal consistency in that belief from the apostles through the sub apostolic fathers through the Church fathers down to modern times, is it revelation knowledge that now says it isn't?

Athanasius377 · Feb 22, 2019

The way the Eastern Church does theology is different than in the West. I’ve read volumes on the subject and I’m still not sure I understand the East well enough to speak coherently on the matter. Add to that the history of the East like or not is tied up with the Byzantine Empire and the struggle with Islam. In a real sense you can’t understand the East apart from these two factors. These are factors the West never had to deal with in the same scale. I’m not sure there is a definitive answer.

GingerBeer · Feb 22, 2019

JohnB445 said:
I find it a little strange.

Reformers: Can we have the Bible for our Church?
Orthodox Church: Sure here you go!
Reformers: Bye, have a great time!

But why not join together? And reason through the scriptures?

I think that the Orthodox did not want the Protestants because Protestant teaching was heretical.

GingerBeer · Feb 22, 2019

Pethesedzao said:
Epignosis Epignosis Epignosis

Gnostic?

Maria Billingsley · Feb 22, 2019

JohnB445 said:
I find it a little strange.

Reformers: Can we have the Bible for our Church?
Orthodox Church: Sure here you go!
Reformers: Bye, have a great time!

But why not join together? And reason through the scriptures?

With the "great schism" came division, West and East. When the West reformed the East did not comply however theologians brought Greek manuscripts to further the freedom of theology. The reformation was not "one intact" group rather , it had many splinter groups thus not willing to conform to East or West but indulged in the new found freedom of knowledge through scripture and not tradition.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 22, 2019

Pethesedzao said:
Jesus ordained 'progressive revelation' in Matthew 16

don't mind the concept personally, just pointing out a contradiction that's all. Bless.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 22, 2019

Pethesedzao said:
I preach and teach so that every one who hears my voice and reads my posts will come to love Jesus Christ more than they did a minute ago...

Sounds like magic.

Why didn't the reformation just side with the Orthodox Church?

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