Is there a "second chance" for salvation.

SkyWriting · Jan 21, 2019

Zetetic Woman said:
The answer to your question is:

Romans 1:20 :
For from the creation of the world the invisible things of Him are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

And children, mentally deficient, stillborn, misguided, confused, questioning, uncommitted, those murdered early, those born blind, and other religions?

Oldmantook · Jan 21, 2019

martymonster said:
The only reason those in the first resurrection, don't go into the lake of fire which is the second death, is because they have already had their fiery experience now, and die to self now.

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Ecc 9:2 All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.
Ecc 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

As for the second death aspect....

Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

In other words, after going through the fiery baptism of the second death, we shall die to self and live in Christ, and Christ in us, and it is God's elect who the rest of humanity shall be the harvesters.

Oba 1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Yes die to self now in this life = first death. Or die to self later in the lake of fire = in second death. Paul's goal was to attain to the exanastasis when at the time of writing Phil 3:11-12, he stated that he had not yet attained it.

martymonster · Jan 21, 2019

Oldmantook said:
Yes die to self now in this life = first death. Or die to self later in the lake of fire = in second death. Paul's goal was to attain to the exanastasis when at the time of writing Phil 3:11-12, he stated that he had not yet attained it.

He had overcome the flesh, but as far as he was concerned, he could still loose his place in the first resurrection, because of course, only God knows who will be in the first resurrection. Even if he did though, he knew that he would still be saved, through the fire.

Der Alte · Jan 21, 2019

SkyWriting said:
And children, mentally deficient, stillborn, misguided, confused, questioning, uncommitted, those murdered early, those born blind, and other religions?

Der Alter said:
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Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

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☦Marius☦ · Jan 21, 2019

There are in fact two Judgements, the one immediately after death, and the Final Judgement (which is why it is called the final)

"Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

This implies there are sins that can be forgiven in the next age.

Zetetica · Jan 21, 2019

SkyWriting said:
And children, mentally deficient, stillborn, misguided, confused, questioning, uncommitted, those murdered early, those born blind, and other religions?

I don't think scripture is unclear, do you? We are without excuse. God knew us when we were yet in the womb.

YanKee Gal · Jan 21, 2019

I only can read the words of Jesus and in Revelation it says whomevers name is not written in the Lambs Book of Life will go into the Lake of Fire where their worm dieth not for all eternity. So those that willfully rejected Christ no. For those who are mentally incapable, God judges the heart. I always looked to people who were born mentally challenged as God's special people to show all of the rest of us unconditional love. I cannot go beyond the bible. When we try out of sympathy to go beyond the boundaries of God's word we meet his wrath.

ac28 · Jan 21, 2019

Is there a "second chance" for salvation?

Only in the "traditions of men". Not in the Bible.

Psalms 1:4-6
4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Ungodly (Unbelievers) can't stand in the judgment. Why? When an unbeliever dies, there is no Spirit to return to God and, therefore, God has no record of any unbeliever. Therefore, the ungodly will totally cease to exist, in every manner, whatsoever - He shall perish, rot away, return to the dust.

Oldmantook · Jan 21, 2019

martymonster said:
He had overcome the flesh, but as far as he was concerned, he could still loose his place in the first resurrection, because of course, only God knows who will be in the first resurrection. Even if he did though, he knew that he would still be saved, through the fire.

The goal is to reign with Christ during the 1,000 years (Rev 20:4). That is why the Hebrew women chose to suffer instead of accepting their release in order that they might obtain "a better resurrection" (Heb 11:35). Don't want to get off-topic though. It is refreshing to hear someone of like mind. We are an endangered species as not too many of us around.

Cis.jd · Jan 21, 2019

Zetetic Woman said:
I don't think scripture is unclear, do you? We are without excuse. God knew us when we were yet in the womb.

Sorry, but that is horrible and totally not what scripture says in it's actual context. A god who sends people with mental disabilities to hell all because of not believing in him is an evil god and you should be ashamed of yourself in terms of your morals and views to actually think that. Now, you or anyone here can blame any non-christian for thinking christianity is an evil religion because really, mentally handicapped people deserve to go to hell regardless of them having no choice at all.

Der Alte · Jan 21, 2019

Cis.jd said:
Sorry, but that is horrible and totally not what scripture says in it's actual context. A god who sends people with mental disabilities to hell all because of not believing in him is an evil god and you should be ashamed of yourself in terms of your morals and views to actually think that. Now, you or anyone here can blame any non-christian for thinking christianity is an evil religion because really, mentally handicapped people deserve to go to hell regardless of them having no choice at all.

Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Zetetica · Jan 21, 2019

Cis.jd said:
Sorry, but that is horrible and totally not what scripture says in it's actual context. A god who sends people with mental disabilities to hell all because of not believing in him is an evil god and you should be ashamed of yourself in terms of your morals and views to actually think that. Now, you or anyone here can blame any non-christian for thinking christianity is an evil religion because really, mentally handicapped people deserve to go to hell regardless of them having no choice at all.

I stand by the fact that "we are without excuse."

Is this unclear? Does it not tickle your ears? Does what psychiatrists and psychologists claim about "mentally ill", "developmentally delayed", or "neurologically diverse" persons, somehow create a loop hole in scripture for you? Was God not clear? Do you think God excluded "retards" from being without excuse?

It doesn't confuse me and I certainly don't consider God evil, even if He did send "retards" to Hell. If He does, He's God. Clearly, He had foreknowledge. Clearly, He knows us when we were yet in the womb. Clearly, He can number every hair on our head. If anyone goes to Hell, they deserve it, period. No debate.

Truth be told, everyone alive today and through the centuries, deserves Hell. Every single one of us, for we are wicked from childhood. We are selfish, disobedient, sinful creatures. Had Christ not paid our ransom, every one of us would be damned, period.

Be thankful Jesus Christ paid our debt. Be thankful He loves us and wants none to perish. Be thankful, be humble, and live ever in awe of God's eternal grace and glory.

Cis.jd · Jan 21, 2019

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Cis.jd · Jan 21, 2019

Zetetic Woman said:
I stand by the fact that "we are without excuse."

Is this unclear? Does it not tickle your ears? Does what psychiatrists and psychologists claim about "mentally ill", "developmentally delayed", or "neurologically diverse" persons, somehow create a loop hole in scripture for you? Was God not clear? Do you think God excluded "retards" from being without excuse?

It doesn't confuse me and I certainly don't consider God evil, even if He did send "retards" to Hell. If He does, He's God. Clearly He had foreknowledge. Clearly He knows is when we were yet in the womb. Clearly He can number every hair on our head. If anyone goes to Hell, they deserve it, period. No debate.

Truth be told, everyone alive today and through the centuries, deserves Hell. Every single one of us, for we are wicked from childhood. We are selfish, disobedient, sinful creatures. Had Christ not paid our ransom, every one of us would be damned, period.

Be thankful Jesus Christ paid our debt. Be thankful He loves us and wants none to perish. Be thankful, be humble, and live ever in awe of God's eternal grace and glory.

I'm going to get banned or something if i don't edit what i originally said here.. but you seriously have horrible views. It's rather disturbing and almost outrageous to read there are people who call themselves christians yet think like this.

Everyone should see the dangers of radical reformed teachings.

Zetetica · Jan 21, 2019

Der Alter said:
Romans 4:15
(15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
(13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

This confused me, so I checked my Bible commentary, and read it a few more times. Seems this passage is specifically related to a time before the Law was given to Moses by God.

Below is the direct quote.
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From "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible"

For until the law sin was in the world — that is during all the period from Adam “until the law” of Moses was given, God continued to treat men as sinners.

but sin is not imputed where there is no law — “There must therefore have been a law during that period, because sin was then imputed”; as is now to be shown.

JacksBratt · Jan 21, 2019

CleanSoul said:
These holy souls in Abraham's bosom were freed through the victory over death through Jesus' death when he descended into hell. I'm saying it was a different hell than what we think of as hell.

This is an interesting view. I thought of Abraham's Bosom as more of a paradise before Christ's work on the cross.. not a different hell.

Zetetica · Jan 21, 2019

Cis.jd said:
God was completely clear, you on the other hand are vile and pasting your own horrible personality on to scripture and building a false image of God. You are delusional if you don't see how absurd and disgusting your views are and sadly i don't think you would understand why..

I am vile? I have a horrible personality? I am delusional? I have absurd and disgusting views?

First, are personal attacks permitted on Christian Forums? Second, are you behaving in a Christian manner here?

Cis.jd said:
No one asked to be created, let alone no one asked to be born with any mental disabilities like down syndrome, autism, or (as you said) "retards".. yet this god of yours sees that as inexcusable because he created you cursed, and we are all subjected to submit and worship or we die. He doesn't care if you are mentally incapable, ignorant.. he doesn't care if you do good or if you do evil, just worship him, right?

We were not created cursed. Our ancestors disobeyed a simple commandment, to not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They did so.

Eve was cursed twice. Her pain in childbearing would be great, and her desire would be for her husband. The serpent was cursed to eat dust and crawl on his belly. The Earth was cursed, that now, thorns and thistles would grow. Adam was cursed that he would bring forth food by the sweat of his brow. Finally, man (mankind) was cursed that he would die (from dust he was and to dust he will return).

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Extra Biblical and Biblical information
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Post flood, Earth was changed again. Also, our ancestor's once long lives were reduced to 120 years and our environment could no longer sustain giants, due to the fact the atmosphere pre-flood was of a higher pressure and contained greater percentages of life sustaining gasses.

CO2 was higher, as was oxygen, nitrogen, and so on; these were under greater pressure, pre flood, allowing massive beasts with nostrils the size of a modern horse's to thrive.

Today, thanks to what God did with the flood, these creatures can NOT live on Earth's surface.

JacksBratt · Jan 21, 2019

CleanSoul said:
There is no absolute assurance of salvation because ultimately we do not know the future and the choices we may make.

I would have to disagree here. There is absolutely and positively a solid knowledge of your salvation.
I would drive myself crazy if I was going through life, continuing to wonder if I have been good enough, today, to achieve salvation should I die suddenly.

JacksBratt · Jan 21, 2019

SkyWriting said:
And children, mentally deficient, stillborn, misguided, confused, questioning, uncommitted, those murdered early, those born blind, and other religions?

I believe that it has been stated that anyone who cannot comprehend their sin or even the simplest things in life... will not be held accountable to these things.

Cis.jd · Jan 21, 2019

Zetetic Woman said:
I am vile? I have a horrible personality? I am delusional? I have absurd and disgusting views?

First, are personal attacks permitted on Christian Forums? Second, are you behaving in a Christian manner here?

Yes I do think you are if you actually think that mentaly disabled people are going to hell and are that proud to talk about it as a rep of your "faith".

We were not created cursed. Our ancestors disobeyed a simple commandment, to not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They did so.

Eve was cursed twice. Her pain in childbearing would be great, and her desire would be for her husband. The serpent was cursed to eat dust and crawl on his belly. The Earth was cursed, that now, thorns and thistles would grow. Adam was cursed that he would bring forth food by the sweat of his brow. Finally, man (mankind) was cursed that he would die (from dust he was and to dust he will return).

That means we were cursed. Whatever Adam and Eve did, we inherit.. So yes, we are born condemned. Mentally challenged people did not ask to be born that way, so why would a loving god create them that way then force them into a dark ultimatum that they can't mentally comprehend? So he gives them suffering in the first life, makes them incapable of understanding anything, and then sends them suffer 10x worse for all eternity?

Is there a "second chance" for salvation.

Do people get a second chance, after death, for salvation?

No, nobody gets a second chance after death on earth (please explain)

Yes, people will get a second chance. (please explain)

Only those who were very good but denied Christ (please explain)

Other (please explain)

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