The Bible's Laws on Divorce and Remarriage.

Dave L · Dec 24, 2018

YeshuaFan said:
No, for Jesus died for ALL of my sins that I would ever commit though, and when saved by His grace, my relationship to Him is never affected, but my fellowship will be unless I repent and confess my sins!

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26–27) (KJV 1900)

YeshuaFan · Dec 24, 2018

Dave L said:
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26–27) (KJV 1900)

Refers to Jews who professed Jesus was their Messiah, but under trials, returned back to temple sacrifices, NOTHING to do to saved persons!

Dave L · Dec 24, 2018

YeshuaFan said:
Refers to Jews who professed Jesus was their Messiah, but under trials, returned back to temple sacrifices, NOTHING to do to saved persons!

Not necessarily. It speaks to Christians about apostasy which would include that.

YeshuaFan · Dec 24, 2018

Dave L said:
Not necessarily. It speaks to Christians about apostasy which would include that.

True Christians do not commit Apostasy though!

servantofiam · Dec 24, 2018

RDKirk said:
Where is that verse?

You appear to have conflated John 8:11 and Luke 13:5.

Nah, I do not conflate anything but take scripture at face value!!

John 5:
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

servantofiam · Dec 24, 2018

YeshuaFan said:
Paul stated that we also have that unbreakable seal of the Holy Spirit!

There is no questioning here that God will NEVER LEAVE us. The question is that we can leave God. And proof of that is found in Peter's epistles.

2nd Peter 2:

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

This is absolute PROOF that you can be SAVED and then LOSE your salvation!! This definitely speaks of those once saved and kept sinning without repenting. This is the best result in scripture to the Baptists belief of once saved always saved and Grace will keep our salvation in tact. This is hard core fact that the Baptist beliefs are CRAPOLA!!

RDKirk · Dec 24, 2018

servantofiam said:
Nah, I do not conflate anything but take scripture at face value!!

John 5:
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Okay.

But does that mean he's then safe from a tower ever falling on him?

servantofiam · Dec 24, 2018

RDKirk said:
Okay.

But does that mean he's then safe from a tower ever falling on him?

That's an interesting question when you consider John 5:14 are the very words of Yeshua, or what I like to add, God in human form!! And when God tells us that a worse thing can happen, it could be as specific in meaning to eternal damnation. It could mean that if you keep sinning, there will be a time where God won't give you a chance to repent and the "worse thing happening" could be eternal damnation.

It is GOD after all WHO is warning this person to stop sinning. So God's meaning could literally ultimately mean eternal damnation. God does not play games and John 5:14 reads specifically like it's a threat from God.

Not sure about you, but I would hate to be warned and threatened by God. Especially when He just gave a direct command to STOP SINNING!!

RDKirk · Dec 25, 2018

servantofiam said:
That's an interesting question when you consider John 5:14 are the very words of Yeshua, or what I like to add, God in human form!! And when God tells us that a worse thing can happen, it could be as specific in meaning to eternal damnation. It could mean that if you keep sinning, there will be a time where God won't give you a chance to repent and the "worse thing happening" could be eternal damnation.

It is GOD after all WHO is warning this person to stop sinning. So God's meaning could literally ultimately mean eternal damnation. God does not play games and John 5:14 reads specifically like it's a threat from God.

Not sure about you, but I would hate to be warned and threatened by God. Especially when He just gave a direct command to STOP SINNING!!

Is this an equally serious warning to Matthew 18:35?

servantofiam · Dec 25, 2018

RDKirk said:
Is this an equally serious warning to Matthew 18:35?

I would say, YES, due to the scripture before it:

Matthew 18:
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

We know from the Lord's prayer that ((if)) we do not forgive those who trespass against us, that God in heaven will also not forgive us of our own trespasses. So based on that content alone, I would say the scripture in John that states to sin no more ((LEST something worse happens to you)) falls into the same warning category as Matthew 18:34-35 does.

Dave L · Dec 25, 2018

YeshuaFan said:
True Christians do not commit Apostasy though!

They do not live in adultery either.

Danthemailman · Dec 25, 2018

YeshuaFan said:
Refers to Jews who professed Jesus was their Messiah, but under trials, returned back to temple sacrifices, NOTHING to do to saved persons!

In Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION.

The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

Danthemailman · Dec 25, 2018

servantofiam said:
There is no questioning here that God will NEVER LEAVE us. The question is that we can leave God. And proof of that is found in Peter's epistles.

2nd Peter 2:

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

This is absolute PROOF that you can be SAVED and then LOSE your salvation!! This definitely speaks of those once saved and kept sinning without repenting. This is the best result in scripture to the Baptists belief of once saved always saved and Grace will keep our salvation in tact. This is hard core fact that the Baptist beliefs are CRAPOLA!!

Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature, and they have new and different appetites and desires. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. *These "cleaned up on the outside" dogs and pigs were never sheep.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. *Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature.

Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil, ruin, deprave, corrupt, defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.

Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).

Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.

Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment.

paul becke · Dec 25, 2018

YeshuaFan said:
This would fall under the Calvinist view that one really saved will eventually repent/confess and get back to the father, as they might be in the pig pen, but are still sheep!

paul becke · Dec 25, 2018

No. God exists outside time. I believe it is said that past, present and future are one to Him. We however cannot project ourselves, so as to look back with hindsight from the future ; which is what the Calvinists seem to do, and which I criticise.

It makes nonsense of the application of reason, itself, since, in effect, it renders all the teachings of Christianity and Judaism concerning our personal behaviour required by God and pleasng to Him, irrelevant. I mean their apparent interpretation of it.

Although I believe Calvin stated that, in reality, salvation is always accompanied by good works. In the context of indulgences and the effects of clericalism, I can see why Calvin stressed the basis of our faith was Christ's salvific self-sacrifice for us on the cross. Giving the supernatural gifts of the highest order for men to administer to their fellows was always going to have dreadful consequences, as well as great ones, as Jesus seemed to imply, when he instructed us, nevertheless, to leave the tares until the harvest-time at the end of the world. I don't think, however, it was a proscription against laicization. Far from it.

Anyway, here is a description from today's Readings in the breviary, by St Leo the Great of the meaning of 'being born again' :

'My beloved, let us offer thanksgiving to God the Father, through his Son, in the Holy Spirit. In the great mercy with which He loved us, He had pity on us, and in giving life to Christ, gave love to us, too, when we were dead through sin, so that in Him we might be a new creation, a new work of his hands.

Let us then be quit of the old self and the habits that went with it. Sharers now in the birth of Christ, let us break with the deeds of the flesh.

O Christian be aware of your nobility - it is God's own nature that you share : do not then, by an ignoble life, fall back into your former baseness. Think of the Head of the Body of which you are a member. Recall that you have been rescued from the power of darkness and have ben transferred to the light of God, the kingdom of God.

Through the sacrament of baptism you have been made a temple of the Holy Spirit ; do not, by evil deeds, drive so great an indweller away from you, submitting yourself once more to the slavery of the devil. For you were bought at the price of Christ's blood.'

Righttruth · Dec 25, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery (Matthew 5:32).

In Matthew 19:9 it says: “Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery;"

Some think you can divorce for other reasons.

Published book "Can A Christian Marry, Divorce And Remarry?" may help on this issue.

Righttruth · Dec 25, 2018

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thesunisout · Dec 26, 2018

RDKirk said:
Do you think you did wrong?

I'm not sure why you quoted the other post, they both say the same thing. I didn't pursue remarriage because my ex-wife is an unbeliever who divorced me. So no, I don't think I did wrong. According to scripture I am not under bondage in that case.

RDKirk · Dec 26, 2018

thesunisout said:
I'm not sure why you quoted the other post, they both say the same thing. I didn't pursue remarriage because my ex-wife is an unbeliever who divorced me. So no, I don't think I did wrong. According to scripture I am not under bondage in that case.

In both those posts you expressed the "Corinthian exception" in a very particular way: That it does not require re-marrying your former wife.

You didn't say it permitted marrying a different woman. The fact that you said it that particular way twice suggests you mean it that way, particularly. And that is the very specific way other people mean it: That you don't have to remarry that woman, but you're still not permitted to marry anyone else.

My understanding of "not under bondage" means "able to remarry."

NeedyFollower · Dec 27, 2018

thesunisout said:
I agree with your basic premise here, that humanism has crept into the church and made the doctrine of God mancentric.

I'll give you the example from my own life. Before I met the Lord, I briefly married a pagan woman who was a practicing witch. She was heavy into the spirit world and possessed by the devil. We split up and when I got saved I found out that she divorced me.

I prayed to the Lord about it and I definitely got the message that He didn't require me to pursue remarriage with her because of that scripture. Later, He led me to marry my wife who is also a Christian. Do you think I did wrong?

I can only give you my example since I am more familiar with me than you . My wife , like me , were secular Christians ..Christians by tradition and not atheist . But I may as well have been an atheist or a Satan worshiper . Not living for Christ is not living for Christ . I loved myself and my life . So did my wife . ( I endeavored to promote her interest and her dreams and goals and she did likewise for me and she was good to me . ) When the Lord came and found me , only then could I love my wife for she was lost . She divorced me but if I am to love my enemies , why should I not love and pray for her ? Christ loved me when I did not love Him and He waited patiently for me . In my understanding and only by and through God's grace , I am endeavoring to treat her as God ( for Christ's sake ) treated me . I did not remarry but elected to remain single .( She did and has moved on .) I do not believe I have the liberty to remarry nor do I wish to have the confusion that goes along with step children and multiple sets of in laws . ( We have children together . ) That is where I am . I realize that many christians feel they have the liberty to remarry . I do not . As regarding your former wife being a pagan and practicing witch ...I do not see how she is unsavable ...she may be closer to salvation than many in churches who are serving their selves but think they are worshiping God . I wonder who is praying for her ?

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