Flat-Earthers

A_Thinker said:

Since this is so obviously not definitive for the entire Earth (i.e. 22.5 feet in elevation on it's highest mountains), ... why do you expect the rest of the text to be definitive ?

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I show many things in Genesis which could NOT have been known by any person alive, 3k years ago. Only the people of the last days have the "increased knowledge" to understand the Supreme Intelligence, Who authored Genesis. Daniel 12:4 God hid His scientific Truth in Genesis which can only be understood by people of our time.

Aman777 said:

I show many things in Genesis which could NOT have been known by any person alive, 3k years ago.

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No you haven't. It's just post-hoc interpretation. Nothing fancy.

pitabread said:

No you haven't. It's just post-hoc interpretation. Nothing fancy.

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Tell us how you think a mortal man wrote these recently discovered scientific truths:

1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water the on 5th Day.
2. Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made.
3. Chromosone 2 fusion shows that Humans were first made, long before any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7
4. Genesis 6:4 shows HOW to make a modern Human by mixing the sons of God with Humans (Adam's descendants)
5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came out of Heaven/air.
6. Genesis 1:28 is prophecy of a future event after Jesus returns to this Earth in the future
7. Genesis 1:30 is prophecy of a future event when ALL creatures are changed into Vegetarians. Isaiah 11:7 shows this happens in the millenial
8. Genesis 1:31 shows that at the end of the present 6th Day, God declares that it is very good.
9. Genesis 2:1 shows that when God's work is finished or brought to perfection ALL Christians will be safely in Heaven
10 Genesis 2:2-3 shows that God rests from ALL of His work of Creating on the 7th Day in the future

That's God's Truth Scripturally which NO mortal man can refute. Amen?

EmSw said:

You are correct. And with the sunset, the whole world would be dark.

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The sun and moon present so many problems for Flerf.

- Neither the sun nor the moon get smaller as they "recede" into the distance.
- There's no explanation for the change in day length.
- There's no explanation for why, during December, it's light in both Australia and South America when they are on the opposite sides of Flerf.
- The sun isn't a spotlight.

Tom Farebrother said:

Your answer there just seems to be that you don't know? The flat earth notion would make GPS as it currently functions impossible. Do you genuinely believe that all manufacturers of GPS devices are in on some kind of conspiracy? It makes no sense, it is a genuinely absurd idea, which is why I would suggest that finding our how it actually works might help to counter some of the ideas you have allowed to influence your thinking.

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Thanks for putting zero effort in reviewing it from a FE perspective before offering such advice.

SpiritualBeing said:

. Tell me what am I missing?


Uh that’s not how it works. You make the claim you have the evidence for no curvature or motion. If you cannot show that evidence what you claim then it is just merely your personal belief of no curvature or motion.


Well there you have it folks. Nobody has ever been to the edge of the earth because there are apparently no pictures or video in existence to show what the edge of our earth looks like. Maybe you can hop on a plane for your next vacation and visit this amazing destination you speak of and you can take pics for all of us to marvel.

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Sorry to confuse you, but I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I have no desire to win anyone over to FE. Just conveying there is plenty of info out there if you are curious. Choosing to remain ignorant on the subject you are arguing against is your prerogative.

A_Thinker said:

It was the measure of Earth's curves that brought man to the knowledge that the Earth is spherical at least 2,500 years ago. Erasthosthenes and co-horts performed the observations and tests to demonstrate that the Earth is spherical, and just how large a sphere it is.

The Coriolos Effect is just one proof of rotation of the Earth about an axis, ... as well as the electro-magnetic force observed to be directed through the poles of the Earth. Storms rotate in different directions, depending upon whether they are in the Northern Hemisphere ... or in the Southern Hemisphere. The Coriolis Effect manifests because of the spin of the earth.

There is no flat-earth explanation for this ...

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Funny, I ask for proof and you give me an inconclusive experiment over 2,000 years old and a non-existent effect. Those seem to be fallbacks along with pictures as proof. If you have nothing that fits what I asked for, that's fine.

SeventyOne said:

Sorry to confuse you, but I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I have no desire to win anyone over to FE. Just conveying there is plenty of info out there if you are curious. Choosing to remain ignorant on the subject you are arguing against is your prerogative.

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If the earths flat how can we launch anything into space? All of our calculations would fail if its flat but we do get stuff up there, how?

jacknife said:

If the earths flat how can we launch anything into space? All of our calculations would fail if its flat but we do get stuff up there, how?

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By going up.

As usual, these threads are becoming denominated by the willingly ignorant who have no desire to actually look into what they are rejecting. And people wonder why more flat-earthers don't out themselves. You are are just shameful people in your behavior. I don't think you are worth any more of my time.

In fact, I know you aren't. Toodles.

SeventyOne said:

By going up.

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Youd have to change the calculations we use though, we account for gravity over a sphereical object when we launch things. If it was flat our calculations would be wrong and we'd fail.

SeventyOne said:

Funny, I ask for proof and you give me an inconclusive experiment over 2,000 years old and a non-existent effect. Those seem to be fallbacks along with pictures as proof. If you have nothing that fits what I asked for, that's fine.

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What I have given is what Science has accepted as demonstrably true for hundreds of years.

That you don't accept it is of no consequence ...

Aman777 said:

Tell us how you think a mortal man wrote these recently discovered scientific truths:

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*sigh*

This really is going over your head isn't?

Anyway back to ignore we go...

If we weren't willing to actually investigate it like you claim, then why would we be making any of the logical arguments against it that require considering the model in the first place?

SeventyOne said:

Funny, I ask for proof and you give me an inconclusive experiment over 2,000 years old and a non-existent effect. Those seem to be fallbacks along with pictures as proof. If you have nothing that fits what I asked for, that's fine.

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And here we see again the dismissing of evidence rather than actually addressing it. One doesn't need to debunk the Coriolis effect if one can just say it's non-existent.

SeventyOne said:

As usual, these threads are becoming denominated by the willingly ignorant who have no desire to actually look into what they are rejecting. And people wonder why more flat-earthers don't out themselves. You are are just shameful people in your behavior. I don't think you are worth any more of my time.

In fact, I know you aren't. Toodles.

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And there's the flounce.

Notice how the following remain unaddressed:
- Satellites
- Why photographs of the ISS look like the ISS and not spy planes or balloons.
- Comets
- Why the flight from Sydney to Santiago is shorter than the Sydney to LA flight when the distance is shorter on Flerf.
- Actual photographs from the ISS of the curved earth.
- Any of the content of the CMI debunking page that John B445 linked to.
- Live video from Antarctica
- The supposed wall or dome
- The explanation for senelelion eclipses
etc. etc.

Hieronymus said:

Pedophilia among the rich and powerful, for example.

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Yes, there are rich and powerful people who are pedophiles, just as there are poor people with little power who are pedophiles, and middle class people who are pedophiles.

Hieronymus said:

But regarding pedophilia among the rich and powerful, we all know the main stream news is silent about it.

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Actually the ‘main stream news’ has played a large role in uncovering pedophilia in various kinds of care homes, among a small number of media stars, and within other organisations where people have had the opportunity, like the RCC and the Boy Scout movement. Unfortunately there are a small number of deviants in all walks of life.
Going from things that actually happen, as reported by people who know the difference between real things and fantasy, to notions like ‘pizzagate’ and George Bush Snr being executed etc. is not however a logical or rational step. That is the strangeness of this kind of idea, the ‘because this happens, this other thing must be happening’ thinking. It shows both how effective the Soviet style disinformation is, and just how many people there are who want to believe they have ‘special understanding’, and that their ‘feelings’ about ‘what’s going on’ are more reliable than the professional journalists who often uncover real events, and who dismiss phony stories because they are, well, phony.

Hieronymus said:

So we can't use them as a source, apart from some exceptions every now and then.

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Actually it’s the other way around. The large press outlets occasionally make errors, which they own up to and take responsibility for. The majority of the time news contains information about things that happen. Which of the many news stories in the ‘msm’ this week were untrue?

SeventyOne said:

Thanks for putting zero effort in reviewing it from a FE perspective before offering such advice.

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FE has no explanation for how GPS (or sextants for that matter) functions.

USincognito said:

- Why the flight from Sydney to Santiago is shorter than the Sydney to LA flight when the distance is shorter on Flerf.

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There's a similar situation with the Sydney to Johannesburg flight (which I've actually taken). The flerfer answer was simple: the flight doesn't exist, the airline websites that sell tickets are all fake, and anybody who claims to have taken the flight is part of the conspiracy (including me, obviously).


And I would add to your list:

• change in visibility of stars as you go south (this was definitive for the Greeks, 2500 years ago)
• shape of the Earth's shadow
• sunsets (on the flerf, the sun never gets close to the horizon)
• ships at sea disappearing from view from the bottom up

SeventyOne said:

Sorry to confuse you, but I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I have no desire to win anyone over to FE. Just conveying there is plenty of info out there if you are curious. Choosing to remain ignorant on the subject you are arguing against is your prerogative.

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Lol you aren’t confusing me at all. I asked you for any photographic/video evidence of a flat earth and you just ignore the question. If there were plenty of info then how come there are no pictures or videos? I’m very open minded and curious except the problem is there is absolutely no proof. Only your wacky conspiracy claims. You notice there are no scientific claims to back up a flat earth?

SpiritualBeing said:

Lol you aren’t confusing me at all. I asked you for any photographic/video evidence of a flat earth and you just ignore the question. If there were plenty of info then how come there are no pictures or videos? I’m very open minded and curious except the problem is there is absolutely no proof. Only your wacky conspiracy claims. You notice there are no scientific claims to back up a flat earth?

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