God's creation Timeline refutes evolution

RealityCheck01 · Oct 24, 2018

Aman777 said:
A good example is the fact that God told us in Genesis One that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from Water, exactly as Science has recently confirmed. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life...

Unfortunately this is a good example of quote mining the Bible and not understanding what you cite, Aman777.
Genesis 1:21 in full is (New International Version)

So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

On the fifth day of creation, God created

the great creatures of the sea and
every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it and
every winged bird

Great creatures of the sea should include creatures such as whales. Winged birds do not live in the sea. That "every living thing" would include fish.
Behold LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor of Life on Earth is about proto-bacteria, restricted to deep sea vents. They would move inside the vents, migrate between vents, but are not whales or birds or fish :doh:

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What is worse is that this is a scientific paper about evolution which you believe is wrong.

Aman777 · Oct 24, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
"Noah landing on another planet and having sex with apes actually. Etc etc."
Genesis 6:4 is a story about the Nephilim, which is loosely translated as physical "giants" but the Heb. nefilim means literally "the fallen ones". So we get human-divine hybrids in Genesis.

False, since the giants spoken of in Genesis 6:4 are today's Humans. The fallen ones are the descendants of Adam (Humans) and we are the intellectual giants and men of renown. IOW, Today's Humans inherited the superior intelligence of Adam because the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans could have children together. That is WHY we have a mind like God's Genesis 3:22 AND the DNA of prehistoric people. That's reality.

Aman777 · Oct 24, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
Unfortunately this is a good example of quote mining the Bible and not understanding what you cite, Aman777.
Genesis 1:21 in full is (New International Version)

No, it's a good example of WHY I use the KJV instead of your altered version which has confused you so badly.

RealityCheck01 said:
On the fifth day of creation, God created

the great creatures of the sea and

every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it and

every winged bird

FYI. Every living creature that moves came from WATER, according to Science. and Genesis 1:21 Your own confused version says every living thing with which the water teems. That includes ALL living creatures.

RealityCheck01 said:
Great creatures of the sea should include creatures such as whales. Winged birds do not live in the sea. That "every living thing" would include fish.

It also includes "every living creature that moveth" which is what I posted. That includes every creature.

RealityCheck01 said:
Behold LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor of Life on Earth is about proto-bacteria, restricted to deep sea vents. They would move inside the vents, migrate between vents, but are not whales or birds or fish .

Does Science claim that the last universal common ancestor of all life on Earth stayed in the vents or that it left the vents to become whales, birds, fish and "every living creature that moveth"? Reality check shows that your view is obviously confused. Go study and return when you can get your story straight.

Heissonear · Oct 25, 2018

Aman, a couple of questions:

What evidence do you have that it was Lake Van, in Turkey as the location of the interpreted First Firmament listed in Genesis 1?

And what evidence do you have that "it was within the lake"? That the interpreted First Firmament was inside a lake on the face of the Earth?

Heissonear · Oct 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
I do not believe in religious views which cannot be supported by Scripture. Your false judgment reveals your own mistaken view. ................I also have the support of the agreement of Scripture, science and history, and NO one can refute me, including you. Want to try?

You say no one can refute you.

You state it often.

So let me hear of your Last Days understanding revealed in the Scriptures.

Let's start with your interpretation of the First Firmament.

Teach me what you have come to understand about the First Firmament.

Aman777 · Oct 25, 2018

Heissonear said:
Aman, a couple of questions:

What evidence do you have that it was Lake Van, in Turkey as the location of the interpreted First Firmament listed in Genesis 1?

Sorry, I answered before but my post must have been lost. The first reason is that the Ark was above the highest mountains on the 150th day (5 months) after the flood began. Genesis 7:20-24 On the SAME 150th day (5 months) after the flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Genesis 8:4

Where would you put a 450 ft long boat? On top of a mountain where the inhabitants would freeze or in the biggest Lake in the mountains of Ararat. Remember that Noah would continue to inhabit the Ark for another 7 months and God would have to command him to leave the Ark. Those are a couple of reasons, but I have many more including the story of the Raven and the Dove.

Heissonear said:
And what evidence do you have that "it was within the lake"? That the interpreted First Firmament was inside a lake on the face of the Earth?

The Ark arrived 5 months after the flood began and inside Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 Isaiah 24:19 tells us of an Earth which was "clean dissolved" in the flood. It was Adam's firmament whose windows on high were opened, before it rained for forty days and nights and as the bottom of the firmament sank, it let the first Humans (descendants of Adam) come into our world. At the SAME time Adam's Earth was clean dissolved and his firmament, which had protected Adam's Earth from the water which surrounded it perished, which in Greek means destroyed totally according to 2 Peter 3:6

Human civilization began just southwest of Lake Van, in the valleys of the Fertile Crescent where the FIRST Human farming happened, according to history. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

We did not come from Apes but from Adam. That's God's Truth Scripturally. Amen?

Heissonear · Oct 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
Sorry, I answered before but my post must have been lost. The first reason is that the Ark was above the highest mountains on the 150th day (5 months) after the flood began. Genesis 7:20-24 On the SAME 150th day (5 months) after the flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Genesis 8:24

Where would you put a 450 ft long boat? On top of a mountain where the inhabitants would freeze or in the biggest Lake in the mountains of Ararat. Remember that Noah would continue to inhabit the Ark for another 7 months and God would have to command him to leave the Ark. Those are a couple of reasons, but I have many more including the story of the Raven and the Dove.

The Ark arrived 5 months after the flood began and inside Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 Isaiah 24:19 tells us of an Earth which was "clean dissolved" in the flood. It was Adam's firmament whose windows on high were opened, before it rained for forty days and nights and as the bottom of the firmament sank, it let the first Humans (descendants of Adam) come into our world. At the SAME time Adam's Earth was clean dissolved and his firmament, which had protected Adam's Earth from the water which surrounded it perished, which in Greek means destroyed totally according to 2 Peter 3:6

Human civilization began just southwest of Lake Van, in the valleys of the Fertile Crescent where the FIRST Human farming happened, according to history. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

We did not come from Apes but from Adam. That's God's Truth Scripturally. Amen?

Very nice reply.

And much thanks for the details to proposed evidence.

I do not want to debate or refute you. But did want to learn some of what you understand.

I mentioned earlier I do not agree with all parts of your Last Days understanding. But in a brotherly way, not as a burden. Our bond through the Holy Spirit in us, and the Love the Spirit puts in us, is what has the eminence of interacting and discussions with you.

Aman777 · Oct 25, 2018

Heissonear said:
Very nice reply.

And much thanks for the details to proposed evidence.

I do not want to debate or refute you. But did want to learn some of what you understand.

I mentioned earlier I do not agree with all parts of your Last Days understanding. But in a brotherly way, not as a burden. Our bond through the Holy Spirit in us, and the Love the Spirit puts in us, is what has the eminence of interacting and discussions with you.

Amen and thanks for the kind words. God bless you

Aman777 · Oct 27, 2018

The Raven and the Dove

The story of the Raven and the Dove teaches us that the Earth which Noah arrived upon some 11k years ago, was not the same Earth of Adam which he had left 150 days earlier. It also reveals that the size of the solid firmament, which surrounded Adam's Earth and protected it from the Water which totally surrounded it. Genesis 1:6-7

The size of the firmament is governed by the 75 mile width of Lake Van with Adam's flat Earth inside. Adam's Earth was only miles wide and watered completely from the highest mountain on his flat Earth. That's where the Garden of Eden was since it's elevation is where the One River began and spread out into 4 other Rivers to water Adam's entire Earth. In comparison, Texas has thousands of Rivers. Gen 2:10

When Noah arrived, he sent a Raven out and it did NOT return to the Ark. Gen 8:7 He also sent out a Dove which returned to the Ark making him think that water covered the whole earth. Gen 8:9 Seven days later the Dove was sent out and returned with an Olive leaf in it's mouth. Gen 8:11

Ancient theologians saw nothing wrong with the story. Do you?

Hint: The Raven did not return to the Ark but a week later the Dove pluckt off an Olive leaf from a growing Olive tree. Did the Olive seed germinate in the mud after the flood, then grow up and put forth limbs and leaves in only 7 days?

The story of the Raven and the Dove teaches us that the traditional religious story, the same story men told thousands of years before Science, is NOT what is actually written in God's Holy Word. God's Truth shows us the Ark arrived in Lake Van, Turkey, 11k years ago and brought the first Humans (descendants of Adam) to our planet of people (sons of God) who descended from the common ancestor of Apes. That is God's Truth Scripturally, scientifically and historically. Amen?

RealityCheck01 · Oct 29, 2018

Aman777 said:
No, it's a good example of WHY I use the KJV instead of your altered version which has confused you so badly. ...

Wrong, Aman777. This is a good example about how you distort all translations of the Bible to fit fantasies about the Bible. Every translation of the Bible has the list of events make up your quote mine of 1 event. Thus:
Unfortunately this is a good example of quote mining the Bible and not understanding what you cite, Aman777.

It is quote mine (close to a lie) to ignore the rest of the verse again.
It is a fantasy that great sea creatures (whales?), fish and birds are bacteria.
It is a fantasy that winged birds flew in water.

It is a bit hypocritical to deny that evolution happens and then ask whether bacteria evolved into great sea creatures (whales?), fish and birds and of course human beings.

RealityCheck01 · Oct 29, 2018

Aman777 said:
FYI. Every living creature that moves came from WATER, according to Science. and Genesis 1:21.

FYI. That is repeating a bad error about Genesis 1:21 which is God creating

the great creatures of the sea and
every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it and
every winged bird

There is nothing about any water creatures leaving the water.
God creates non-moving living creatures (grass and trees) on land in the third day (Genesis 1:11).
God creates land creatures "from the earth" on the sixth day (Genesis 1:24). Ditto for man and woman including Adam and Eve.
Genesis creation narrative

RealityCheck01 · Oct 29, 2018

Heissonear said:
Very nice reply.

Hi Heissonear. Aman777 is repeating a blatant error about what he cites again.
The map he gives is not the location of the earliest civilization. It is the locations (plural) of archeological sites dated between 9000-4500 BCE in the Fertile Crescent.
The Fertile Crescent, 9000-4500 BCE
The only site near Lake Van is of the Ubaid culture, extant as early as 5200 BCE. There are a couple of dozen older sites (the triangle and square icons).

The map includes Jericho "with the construction of Natufian culture structures beginning earlier than 9000 BC". People who read the Bible tend to know about Jericho and that it is believed to be the oldest inhabited city in the world. The map may include Göbekli Tepe (built in the 10th millennium BCE). This is believed to be one of the earliest sites where agriculture developed.

Aman777 · Oct 29, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
Wrong, Aman777. This is a good example about how you distort all translations of the Bible to fit fantasies about the Bible. Every translation of the Bible has the list of events make up your quote mine of 1 event. Thus:
Unfortunately this is a good example of quote mining the Bible and not understanding what you cite, Aman777.

It is quote mine (close to a lie) to ignore the rest of the verse again.
It is a fantasy that great sea creatures (whales?), fish and birds are bacteria.
It is a fantasy that winged birds flew in water.

It is a bit hypocritical to deny that evolution happens and then ask whether bacteria evolved into great sea creatures (whales?), fish and birds and of course human beings.

Unworthy of comment....

Aman777 · Oct 29, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
FYI. That is repeating a bad error about Genesis 1:21 which is God creating

the great creatures of the sea and

every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it and

every winged bird

There is nothing about any water creatures leaving the water.

Just one refute in order to show your Scriptural and Scientific illiteracy.

Here's the verse:
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Science announced that ALL life on Earth came from the last universal common ancestor TWO years ago from WATER.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life...Jul 26, 2016 -

Your statement that "There is nothing about any water creatures leaving the water." is totally proven untrue both Scripturally or Scientifically. That's TWO of your "Reality Checks" which are FALSE in the same post. Try to do better. It's getting really boring.

Aman777 · Oct 29, 2018

RealityCheck01 said:
Hi Heissonear. Aman777 is repeating a blatant error about what he cites again.
The map he gives is not the location of the earliest civilization. It is the locations (plural) of archeological sites dated between 9000-4500 BCE in the Fertile Crescent.
The Fertile Crescent, 9000-4500 BCE
The only site near Lake Van is of the Ubaid culture, extant as early as 5200 BCE. There are a couple of dozen older sites (the triangle and square icons).

The map includes Jericho "with the construction of Natufian culture structures beginning earlier than 9000 BC". People who read the Bible tend to know about Jericho and that it is believed to be the oldest inhabited city in the world. The map may include Göbekli Tepe (built in the 10th millennium BCE). This is believed to be one of the earliest sites where agriculture developed.

Tell us the Truth. In reality you are like Donald Trump who cannot tell the Truth no matter how hard he tries. I tire of your false judgments.

Heissonear · Oct 31, 2018

Aman777 said:
Amen and thanks for the kind words. God bless you

Aman, another two possibly related questions.

What is meant by:

1. Common decent (or ancestor)
a) was there one creature long ago that all creatures came from?
b) was this a primative lifeform that was in or came from water?

2. Prehistoric people (or man)
a) did these people evolve from a common (primative lifeform) ancestor?
b) are these the creatures that came from apes or some other creature?

May we keep unity in the Holy Spirit as we learn from one another about God's Scriptures, history, and science.

Aman777 · Oct 31, 2018

Heissonear said:
Aman, another two possibly related questions.

What is meant by:

1. Common decent (or ancestor)
a) was there one creature long ago that all creatures came from?
b) was this a primative lifeform that was in or came from water?

1. All Humans are descendants of Adam, the first Human. He was made on the 3rd Day before plants, herbs, rain Gen 2:4-7 and Trees Gen 2:8-9 which GREW on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12
a. On the 5th Day God created and brought forth from water "every living creature that moveth" in total agreement with the discovery of the last universal common ancestor 2 years ago, from which all life on earth came.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life...
b. Yes. God the Trinity made luca. Lord God/Jesus made Adam. We are "His kinds" subject to death. God the Trinity creates Eternally. Christians are "Their kinds".

Heissonear said:
2. Prehistoric people (or man)
a) did these people evolve from a common (primative lifeform) ancestor?

Yes. On Adam's Earth and the present Earth. Every living creature came from luca except Humans who are God's children and we did not come from luca
b) are these the creatures that came from apes or some other creature?

b. Prehistoric man descended from the common ancestor of Apes but he was NOT Human (descendant of Adam) until Noah's grandsons marred and produced children with them. Genesis 6:4 Today's Humans inherited our superior intelligence, which is like God's from Adam Genesis 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people who were here, and had been for millions of years, BEFORE the Ark arrived. Amen?

Heissonear · Oct 31, 2018

Aman777 said:
1. All Humans are descendants of Adam, the first Human. He was made on the 3rd Day before plants, herbs, rain Gen 2:4-7 and Trees Gen 2:8-9 which GREW on the 3rd Day. Genesis 1:12
a. On the 5th Day God created and brought forth from water "every living creature that moveth" in total agreement with the discovery of the last universal common ancestor 2 years ago, from which all life on earth came.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life...
b. Yes. God the Trinity made luca. Lord God/Jesus made Adam. We are "His kinds" subject to death. God the Trinity creates Eternally. Christians are "Their kinds".

b. Prehistoric man descended from the common ancestor of Apes but he was NOT Human (descendant of Adam) until Noah's grandsons marred and produced children with them. Genesis 6:4 Today's Humans inherited our superior intelligence, which is like God's from Adam Genesis 3:22 but we also contain the DNA and ERVs of prehistoric people who were here, and had been for millions of years, BEFORE the Ark arrived. Amen?

Aman, the reply is appreciated. But appears to be of the same information I read on earlier posts on this thread.

I have been reading your present thread posts to better understand your full teaching.

If you would, I am trying to better understand the two most recent questions.

1. First common ancestor
a) what does this apply to on the Fifth Day? What then (in geologic time scale) proceeded biologically? Was there evolution of creatures over geologic time? Did the evolution of creatures on Earth produce the Earth's fossil record (the fossils mankind has found in the sedimentary column)?

2. Prehistoric man
a) You did clarify Prehistoric man were not Human but from apes. Does this mean that the Prehistoric man (and people) evolved from apes (as would be defined by modern evolutionary biology by either Darwinism, Neo-Darwinism, Extended Modern Synthesis)?

RealityCheck01 · Oct 31, 2018

Aman777 said:
Just one refute in order to show your Scriptural and Scientific illiteracy.

Repeating your distortion of scripture and science does not make it correct or a refute, Aman777.

This is Genesis 1:21 (slightly different from the translation you use).
One last time and using your quote.
God creates 3 classes of things during in that day in this order:
Great whales are not bacteria :doh:

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Fish are not bacteria :doh:

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Winged fowl are not bacteria :doh:

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Sceince says the last universal common ancestor lived ~3.6 billion years ago. Whales, fish and birds evolved in the last few hundred million years.
Your quote does not mention any water creatures leaving the water.

RealityCheck01 · Oct 31, 2018

Aman777 said:
Tell us the Truth.

This is a simple true fact. It is a repeated blatant error that a map listing sites such as Jericho that are older than the Lake Van sites shows that civilization started at Lake Van.

For others: Jericho is the oldest city. It has a claim to be the oldest "civilization" (a settlement). However a civilization is "a complex state with centralisation, social stratification and specialization of labour". The earliest civilizations are dated to about 3000 BC.

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