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Strong in Him · Sep 20, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
Read 1 corinthians 15:10. Grace does everything. Grow up.

I'm sorry to be conversing with such a rude, judgemental person.
The grace of God is certainly NOT in your posts.

Goodbye.

Si_monfaith · Sep 20, 2018

Strong in Him said:
This goes back to post #78.
I quoted Ephesians 2:10 which says that God created us to do good works. As far as I can see, you have never addressed that Scripture.
I then gave a number of examples or people who worked, served God, achieved etc etc - which Scripture tells us to do. Even before the fall, Adam had the job of tending the garden and naming the animals.Genesis 2:15, Genesis 2:19. Paul tells us that whatever work we are doing we should do for God's glory, Colossians 3:17, Colossians 3:23. And Jesus condemned a lazy servant for not using the talent that had been given to him.

Obviously we are not to claim that we do everything in our own strength, with our own talents, our own cleverness and so on. It is GOD who gives us all these things; to GOD be all glory.
But to imply that we cannot use the minds, hands, feet and so on that God has given us, is absurd. We are created in his image, by him to do good works.
You are ignoring all these things, and verses of Scripture, because of your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:10.

You don't use your hands, feet and mind. Grace does it. Learn to say, "Not I".

Si_monfaith · Sep 20, 2018

Strong in Him said:
I'm sorry to be conversing with such a rude, judgemental person.
The grace of God is certainly NOT in your posts.

Goodbye.

You don't see grace because you reject confessing grace. You desire to confess yourself.

Si_monfaith · Sep 21, 2018

Strong in Him said:
This goes back to post #78.
I quoted Ephesians 2:10 which says that God created us to do good works. As far as I can see, you have never addressed that Scripture.
I then gave a number of examples or people who worked, served God, achieved etc etc - which Scripture tells us to do. Even before the fall, Adam had the job of tending the garden and naming the animals.Genesis 2:15, Genesis 2:19. Paul tells us that whatever work we are doing we should do for God's glory, Colossians 3:17, Colossians 3:23. And Jesus condemned a lazy servant for not using the talent that had been given to him.

Obviously we are not to claim that we do everything in our own strength, with our own talents, our own cleverness and so on. It is GOD who gives us all these things; to GOD be all glory.
But to imply that we cannot use the minds, hands, feet and so on that God has given us, is absurd. We are created in his image, by him to do good works.
You are ignoring all these things, and verses of Scripture, because of your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:10.

If you ask questions ask rather than write a huge essay.

Alithis · Sep 21, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
Really?

Faith saves. Works follow faith not faith + works!

yes really,read hebrews ch 11

Si_monfaith · Sep 21, 2018

Alithis said:
yes really,read hebrews ch 11

In Hebrews 11 none did works to be justified.

Abraham was justified in Genesis chapter 15 by faith. He obeyed to offer Isaac in chapter 22 AFTER he was justified by faith.

jiminpa · Sep 22, 2018

Grace and works are not mutually exclusive. Grace will always yield works, and works without grace are sin.

Strong in Him · Sep 23, 2018

jiminpa said:
Grace and works are not mutually exclusive. Grace will always yield works, and works without grace are sin.

According to Simon, I do not use my hands, feet etc to do works - grace does.

Alithis · Sep 30, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
In Hebrews 11 none did works to be justified.

Abraham was justified in Genesis chapter 15 by faith. He obeyed to offer Isaac in chapter 22 AFTER he was justified by faith.

who said any do works to be justified now ?
but if works do not come forth ..then one is still in sin .
and don't worry , if it is grace that does it . you'd be rather a lot more gracious about it all and more then wiling to do the works god foreordained that we should walk in them . simply because he created us to be creatures that do only GOOD in all circumstance and scenario

Si_monfaith · Sep 30, 2018

Alithis said:
who said any do works to be justified now ?
but if works do not come forth ..then one is still in sin .
and don't worry , if it is grace that does it . you'd be rather a lot more gracious about it all and more then wiling to do the works god foreordained that we should walk in them . simply because he created us to be creatures that do only GOOD in all circumstance and scenario

As you claim to know what sin is, you are still under law. Because those set free from the law know not what sin is. Romans 3:20. No use pretending to be set free from law.

Romans 3:20: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Alithis · Sep 30, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
As you claim to know what sin is, you are still under law. Because those set free from the law know not what sin is. Romans 3:20. No use pretending to be set free from law.

Romans 3:20: Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

you'll have to stop giving incomplete non contextual ambiguous replies that do not communicate any particular point .
why must i be under law to know what sin is ?
why cant i just read james ch 4 ?

"If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them. " there you go , a knowledge of sin from outside the law . your taking two different points being made and trying to apply it to one situation ,but its out of context . in Romans Paul is talking to the Romans and making a very clear though long ongoing point .
but im utterly lost as to what point you are trying to make

Si_monfaith · Oct 1, 2018

Alithis said:
you'll have to stop giving incomplete non contextual ambiguous replies that do not communicate any particular point .
why must i be under law to know what sin is ?
why cant i just read james ch 4 ?

"If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them. " there you go , a knowledge of sin from outside the law . your taking two different points being made and trying to apply it to one situation ,but its out of context . in Romans Paul is talking to the Romans and making a very clear though long ongoing point .
but im utterly lost as to what point you are trying to make

You are utterly lost and confused. Because you make it appear Bible to be contradictory. Nothing more.

James is not discussing about law and grace. You are reading into the text to evade from being freed from the law and pretend to be sinless as well.

James doesn't say knowledge of sin comes from apart the law. That is your eisegesis. James talks about what sin is.

As you claim to know sin you are yet to be freed from law. Sin will overcome you (Rom 6: 14). Don't deceive yourself.

Alithis · Oct 1, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
You are utterly lost and confused. Because you make it appear Bible to be contradictory. Nothing more.

James is not discussing about law and grace. You are reading into the text to evade from being freed from the law and pretend to be sinless as well.

James doesn't say knowledge of sin comes from apart the law. That is your eisegesis. James talks about what sin is.

As you claim to know sin you are yet to be freed from law. Sin will overcome you (Rom 6: 14). Don't deceive yourself.

Methinks you've written a nice story , as you don't know the person its about ..its a nice fictional work . whens are you getting it published ?-jokes

but seriously bro.. we don't know what your talking about

Si_monfaith · Oct 1, 2018

Alithis said:
Methinks you've written a nice story , as you don't know the person its about ..its a nice fictional work . whens are you getting it published ?-jokes

but seriously bro.. we don't know what your talking about

You cannot know the truth if God had determined to keep you so. Matthew 11: 25, 26.

You can publish your fantasy jokes based on your ignorance.

Alithis · Oct 1, 2018

Si_monfaith said:
You cannot know the truth if God had determined to keep you so. Matthew 11: 25, 26.

You can publish your fantasy jokes based on your ignorance.

bro.. state your point . your making a lot of assumptions because ,id guess , no ne is agreeing with your point .. i mean sure .its grace at work in us .. but grace is based upon the favor of god ,he showed favor towards us by sending Jesus when we had no hope .. and since the lord Jesus has accomplished what the father sent him to do , we now listen and obey him . its all together as one thing .. not to be dissected into pieces .
you said .. i say i'm sinless .. i mean - where on earth did you get that from ?.iv never said it . this is called an assumption .

as mi have said so often ,there is a hug difference between having sin .. and DOING WORKS of sin - i do not have to ever do works of sin .. because the lord Jesus has set me free . i don't even concern myself with the topic .

Si_monfaith · Oct 10, 2018

Alithis said:
bro.. state your point . your making a lot of assumptions because ,id guess , no ne is agreeing with your point .. i mean sure .its grace at work in us .. but grace is based upon the favor of god ,he showed favor towards us by sending Jesus when we had no hope .. and since the lord Jesus has accomplished what the father sent him to do , we now listen and obey him . its all together as one thing .. not to be dissected into pieces .
you said .. i say i'm sinless .. i mean - where on earth did you get that from ?.iv never said it . this is called an assumption .

as mi have said so often ,there is a hug difference between having sin .. and DOING WORKS of sin - i do not have to ever do works of sin .. because the lord Jesus has set me free . i don't even concern myself with the topic .

Reprobates reject the gospel. Does that mean the gospel is false? Your logic is miserable.

You are still under the power of sin which makes you commit acts of sin because you claim you know sin. But those who know they are set free from the law do not know what sin is.

Romans 3:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Spirit of Pentecost · Oct 21, 2018

Most modern Pentecostals don't even preach the necessity of a believer being filled with the Spirit anymore. If we treat the Holy Ghost as optional, then people aren't going to seek it. Why would any of us seek after something that people in leadership over us aren't telling us we need?

spiritfilledjm · Oct 21, 2018

Spirit of Pentecost said:
Most modern Pentecostals don't even preach the necessity of a believer being filled with the Spirit anymore. If we treat the Holy Ghost as optional, then people aren't going to seek it. Why would any of us seek after something that people in leadership over us aren't telling us we need?

Are you saying that to be baptized in the Holy Spirit by evidence of tongues or other manifested is a requirement for salvation?

Spirit of Pentecost · Oct 22, 2018

spiritfilledjm said:
Are you saying that to be baptized in the Holy Spirit by evidence of tongues or other manifested is a requirement for salvation?

The Bible tells us that we must be born of the water and of the Spirit, and that if we have not the Spirit of Christ we do not belong to the Lord. In every instance the Spirit manifested Itself throughout the Word, those that were filled with It began to speak in other tongues.

So, yes, I do believe Spirit baptism as evidenced by speaking in other tongues is an essential part of a believer's salvation process.

Strong in Him · Oct 23, 2018

Spirit of Pentecost said:
The Bible tells us that we must be born of the water and of the Spirit, and that if we have not the Spirit of Christ we do not belong to the Lord. In every instance the Spirit manifested Itself throughout the Word, those that were filled with It began to speak in other tongues.

So, yes, I do believe Spirit baptism as evidenced by speaking in other tongues is an essential part of a believer's salvation process.

That's sad.
That suggests that you don't think someone is saved unless they speak in tongues - that Jesus isn't enough.

I have received the Holy Spirit, am refilled many times, do not speak in tongues, and am most certainly born again and saved. I suspect many others are too.
If someone does not have the Holy Spirit they are not a child of God. If someone cannot declare that Jesus is Lord, they do not have the Holy Spirit. We are not told that speaking in tongues is evidence of salvation and belonging to God.

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