WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?

Neogaia777 said:

Actually it's been kind of hard to try figure out, just exactly "what" you are saying/were saying or are trying to say exactly, (what your views or take is/are) you seem to go from one side of the fence to the other sometimes, or try to stand on both sides of the fence sometimes...?

Not meaning to offend, just saying...

God Bless!

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If you do not know what someone is saying or if you need clarification just ask. Saying things that I do not believe or have never said does not help a discussion and is only spreading misinformation. I do not go from one side of the fence to the other at all. Please do not say things that no one is saying it is dishonest.

ViaCrucis said:

Mitzvot is already in the plural. The singular is mitzvah. The number 613 is traditional, if you want to see all 613 numerated according to Jewish tradition, you can find that here: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

The rest of your post attempts to make a distinction between the Decalogue and the rest of God's Commandments when there is none to be made under the Covenant God established with the Children of Jacob. As such there is no need to say anything more than this.

-CryptoLutheran

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Hello -CryptoLutheran,

You did not answer the post provided to you...

Please provide the scripture that says 613 mitzvots? How many commandment are there in the God's 10 Commandments that he spoke and wrote on two tables of stone 613, 9 or 10? *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4.

Did MOSES make the 10 Commandments or did God alone? *EXODUS 32:16.

We are under the new Covenant now but you mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; PSALMS 119:172.

Hope this helps

Neogaia777 said:

Perhaps it would help us if you describe to us how you have come to define certain words and terms you are regularly using...? Because without that understanding, you do seem to sometimes be going back and forth, at least to me (and maybe a few others)...Because lacking that understanding, I think we may misunderstand you...

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Back and forth to what? What do you misunderstand?

Neogaia777 said:

So, perhaps you could clarify, clearly in your own words, or at least some of your own words preferably, and just tell us and answer the questions directly, without any "beating around the bush" about it... Cause I still cannot tell, and truly do not know where you "stand" in very many things, especially biblically... God Bless!

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This is a strange post because I have provided direct scripture for everything I have stated here. Perhaps you can provided a post that you are confused about? What you have written here simply makes no sense.

ViaCrucis said:

I did. I said that the enumeration of 613 mitzvot is traditional. If there were a Scripture which numbered the 613 commandments, I would have offered it to you.

-CryptoLutheran

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Correct. That is one questions answered. The 613 mitzvots are man made [although they do indeed refer to the laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7].

Now how about the other questions you did not answer?

How many commandment are there in the God's 10 Commandments that he spoke and wrote on two tables of stone 613, 9 or 10? Scripture provided *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4.

Did MOSES make the 10 Commandments or did God alone? *EXODUS 32:16.

We are under the new Covenant now but you mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; PSALMS 119:172

Hope this helps

ViaCrucis said:

The enumeration comes from tradition. Whether you want to count 613 or 482 or 712, it's still more than ten. You can keep weaseling your words as much as you like, it doesn't change the fact that all the commandments given at Mt. Horeb come from God. This little game SDAs like to play by making a fake distinction between the Law of Moses and God's Commandments doesn't get any better over time. If you really don't get why it's a stupid argument, then feel free to ask any of the rest of us here, we'd be happy to point out why. Hint: God gave all of the commandments, not just the ten you happen to like. And let's be real here, it's not all ten, it's just one very specific commandment that matters to you.

-CryptoLutheran

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Not really. If you could answer the questions provided to you then you would see your error. So you do your best to avoid them. Here let me help but answering the questions provided you with God's WORD.

Q1. How many commandment are there in the God's 10 Commandments that he spoke and wrote on two tables of stone 613, 9 or 10?

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4
And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

A1. TEN COMMANDMENTS

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Q2. Did MOSES make the 10 Commandments or did God alone? *EXODUS 32:16.

EXODUS 32:16 [16], And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, engraved upon the tables.

A2. GOD MADE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ALONE

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My friend we are under the new Covenant now but you mix up the Shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; PSALMS 119:172

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Ok let's get real here. SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


Hope this helps

1stcenturylady said:

Well, I'm not breaking it as I doubt anyone on these forums are - I hope. But to you, 'keeping all days alike' instead of 'keeping the Sabbath' is the platform on which you condemn us. Do you condemn us? Right or Wrong? Just so you know, I don't condemn you as long as you keep it. Do you really know how to keep it?

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For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day.

Karola said:

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So true, the tenth is ignored, the ninth broken at will, not committing adultery, is taken literally without Christ's ammendment, as is not committing murder. Bowing down to images is only considered to be referring to what you can make using a hammer and chisel. The first is only likened to such as baal in the OT, etc.
As one man put it: ''I love my parents, I don't commit murder, what's so hard about obeying the Ten Commandments?'
It's a far cry from the Apostle Paul's understanding of the Ten Commandments!!

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Well written.

klutedavid said:

Where does it say 'all', as in 'all his commandments'?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep <ALL> his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Or is that your edition of the scripture?

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In your view does it mean some of his Commandments? You can see I added <ALL> in brackets and it is not a part of the text. It is in reference to JAMES 2:10-11.