Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

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Important Note:
(Please read this before posting and or reading the rest of my OP):

I want to first say that I love you in the Lord Jesus Christ. I also want to say that I love all people. I am commanded by God to even love my enemies. My message today here is not that I want to be of hate or of malice, but of love. I say what I do in love to you. God tells me to even love the sinner and hate the sin. I am especially fond of my fellow Christians who truly desire to follow Christ and who seek to obey Him in everything that He tells us to do within His Word. That is what this thread is about. If you are offended by what I will say with Scripture, please know I am not saying I am better than you or that I do not care about you. I am nothing. The Lord our God is everything; And I love you deeply. I am merely calling you in love to follow God's Word and His Word alone. Only God can open our eyes, and change our hearts to see what His Word says in so many ways. I am only speaking and doing that which I believe is right by the Word of God. This thread is merely to show you what the Bible says about a popular celebration of the world when we compare it with Scripture. For surely we can love our families without a specific calendar day telling us to do so. We can most assuredly love our family by God's Word alone. In fact, speaking of God's Word, we are told within His Word to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21). We are to hold fast to that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5:21). My friends, I call you all in love to look at the Holy Scriptures today with a fresh new pair of eyes. Before you begin, I would like you to take a moment and pray. I would like for you to pray to the Lord and ask Him for wisdom and understanding before reading what I am about to share with you in love involving the Scriptures. For I write this because I love you in Christ Jesus.
Side Note: Did you pray yet? Did you really do it? Please do so now if you have not done so. Anyways, may the Lord's love and goodness be upon you this day that the Lord has made.​


Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical.

#1. Christmas is not celebrated anywhere in the Bible.

(a) Jesus is not a baby right now but He is our risen Lord.

We are never told to honor just a baby Jesus alone,
but we are told to live unto a risen Lord (2 Corinthians 5:15).
Focusing on a baby version of Jesus (without mentioning the resurrection of Christ in our message) is to take the focus off of our risen Lord Jesus Christ. If our message does not include a risen Christ, then our preaching is in vain according to Paul:
"And if Christ be not risen,
then is our preaching vain,
and your faith is also vain." (1 Corinthians 15:14).
Tell me, does Christmas focus on a risen Lord or does it focus on His birth?

(b) While there are biblical clues to Christ's birth date, the date of Christ's birth is nowhere specifically mentioned in the Bible and oddly his birth is coincidentally placed upon the date of the worship of other pagan gods, and a popular pagan festival, instead.

Is it okay to worship God in any way we like? In Genesis 4, we see Cain trying to bring the harvest of the ground unto God as a sacrifice instead of offering an animal sacrifice like his brother Abel did correctly (See Genesis 4:3-7). Cain's offering was not accepted. His worship was not accepted. Why? Because he was doing his own thing. Cain grew angry and decided to kill his own brother over this. Friend, do you hate or dislike Christians who do not keep Christ-mass?
Jesus says he seeks for those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). Are we worshiping in truth if there are some pagan elements (which are a lie) mixed in with the truth? Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life? (John 14:6). Jesus said, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shalt you serve." (Luke 4:8). But how can we worship God alone if we are involving pagan elements in our worship of Him. Was not Cain's offering of doing whatever he wanted not accepted by God? (See Genesis 4:5). Was Cain truly worshiping God alone by being obedient to him or was he worshiping God his own way?​

#2. Christmas Trees.

21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the Lord thy God, which thou shalt make thee.
22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth."
(Deuteronomy 16:21).

2 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (Jeremiah 10:2-4).

Celts and druids (witches) believe trees are sacred or magical objects.
Meaning, they holds some kind of significance spiritually for them.

Even if you did not put up trees yourself.
You cannot stop others from doing so.
Christmas trees is about the holiday (holy day) season.
Some people sing praises to the Christmas tree (without thinking about it) in Christmas carols. People give attention to a beautiful object and put presents around it (like a gift or offering) to this beautiful object. Some people dance around the Christmas tree. Sure seems like harmless fun, but what if the Bible is really condemning trees?
Also, why would you want to imitate a practice that is similar to the druids and put up a sacred special tree in your home?
Sure, they may not think it is a god or idol exactly because your not bowing down to it or praying to it, but does that mean we can just put statues of demonic idols in our home and God would be okay with that?​

#3. Do not imitate the heathen's ways or men's traditions.

Colossians 2:8 says,
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

Is Christmas something in the Bible or is it more like a tradition of men and or after the rudiments of the world? Think about it. Should we let a world recognized holiday tell us how we are to worship our Lord? Or do we let the Bible alone tell us how we are to worship our Lord?

"Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect." (Romans 12:2) (NLT).

"...Learn not the way of the heathen,..." (Jeremiah 10:2).

But it has Jesus in the holiday and we focus on Jesus, so it is okay, right?

It is written,

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (2 Corinthians 11:4).

Paul is saying to bear with them that preach another Jesus. He does not say to embrace another Jesus in whom they have not preached.

The Jesus that is being preached in Christmas is a baby Jesus and how we must give honor to Him by exchanging gifts (sometimes going into debt) around a Christmas tree.

In fact, 9 out of the 11 times the word "tradition" appears in the King James Bible, it is in reference to the traditions of men that were bad and not good (See this link here at BlueLetterBible). In fact, Jesus says that men were transgressing God's commands by their man made traditions. Christmas is a human tradition of man and it is nowhere to be found within the Scriptures; And we are told not to imitate the way of the heathen or the customs of the world. Christmas is very much a custom or celebration of the world.​

#4. True Giving vs Christmas Giving.

Do not give out of compulsion. For Paul says,

"You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. "For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.""
(2 Corinthians 9:7) (NLT).

Yet, Christmas is a time where you feel compelled to give out of pressure.

Christmas is also a time when it is about the exchange of gifts.

Yet, Jesus says,
Give without expecting anything in return.
For do not sinners love their own?
For sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

"And if you lend to them of whom you hope to receive, what thanks have you? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. (Luke 6:34).

32 "For if you love them who love you, what thanks have you? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if you do good to them who do good to you, what thanks have you? for sinners also do even the same." (Luke 6:32-33).

"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward shall be great, and you shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." (Luke 6:35).

12 "Then said he also to him that bade him, When you give a dinner or a supper, call not your friends, nor your brethren, neither your kinsmen, nor your rich neighbors; lest they also bid you again, and a recompense be made you.
13 But when you give a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
14 And you shall be blessed; for they cannot recompense you: for you shall be recompensed at the resurrection of the just." (Luke 14:12-14).

8 "And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken anything from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
9 And Jesus said unto him, "This day is salvation come to this house,...""
(Luke 19:8-9).​

#5. The focus of Christmas is materialism and not the worship of Christ on this day.

Most do not actually celebrate Jesus's birth on this day but they actually focus more on the gift giving and the decorating and in celebrating or having a good time with their family. For when the holidays come, do you prepare yourself in prayer, fasting, reading Scripture in order to worship Christ on Christmas? Or are you more focused on buying things for others and in getting together with your family to just have a good time? An insane amount of money is spent on Christmas each year and people have gone into financial debt as a result of it. Others beat each other up in department stores all in the spirit of Christmas. Is such a material focused holiday really something that is of God? How are you honoring Christ's birth truly? Are you focusing on those Scripture verses on the Nativity each year as a family? Do you and your family feel like you are drawing closer to God each year by celebrating the Lord's birth? Or is it more about the stuff with you saying that you are honoring Christ? I say this not to get you or anyone else here upset, but I say this as a means to examine yourself in your walk with the Lord in everything you do. To prove to you that Christmas is not materialistic, just tell your kids next year that they are not getting any gifts and watch their reaction. They have depended on being rich with things and not rich in the things of God. For some even look forward to Christmas just so as to receive money. However, the Bible says,
10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But you, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
#6. Be ye holy and separate from the world.

Atheists, psychics, and people of many faiths celebrate Christmas. It is the one time of year where everyone gets together to give and whereby some say they are doing it to honor Christ's birth. Everyone is one big happy family celebrating and exchanging gifts and excited over their newly received material goods. Everyone including Christ haters are celebrating Christmas along with Christ lovers. There is even an Atheist Christmas Carol (See here and or here). But the Bible says be ye holy (1 Peter 1:16), and be ye separate (2 Corinthians 6:17). The Bible says what fellowship does light have with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14). For it is written,
17 "This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:" (Ephesians 4:17-21).
#7. Love not the things of this world.

In 1 John 2:15-17, it says love not the world, neither the things in this world, if any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them.

Christmas is technically a thing of this world. It is world recognized holiday.
But if you tell people you stopped celebrating Christmas, expect some hateful comments from people. Why?
"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (John 15:19).

Colossians 3:1-3 says,

"Since you were raised from the dead with Christ, aim at what is in heaven, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God. Think only about the things in heaven, not the things on earth. Your old sinful self has died, and your new life is kept with Christ in God."

Christmas is not something that is celebrated in Heaven. We are to think about the things in Heaven or above and not on the things of this Earth. Our focus should be on building ourselves up in righteousness, love, and faith according to God's Word and not according to the wisdom or ways of men.​
Anyways, I say all this in love and with the hope you will investigate the origins of Christmas on your own and seek the Scriptures with God in deep prayer and fasting on this matter. I know that if you will seek the truth, God will show it to you. Again, I say these things not condemn or hurt anyone but I say these things in love so as to answer the call of God in your Sanctification in being truly holy for the Lord. So..."Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16).
while we are tossing our christmas trees to the curb perhaps we should throw the church building along with it.
 
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while we are tossing our christmas trees to the curb perhaps we should throw the church building along with it.

I wasn't expecting everyone to understand the same conviction that I have on the Scriptures. I heard about Christians not celebrating Christmas before, but I never really ventured into looking at the reasons biblically because at the time I was not interested in hearing it. At this point in my life, I decided to look into it more and be open to the verses on it because I have put away other worldly things out of my life like secular movies, and secular music, etc.

For it's all about...

love not the world, and neither the things in the world (See 1 John 2:15-17).

I believe anyone who is truly open to giving up the things of this world and they are interested in following what God's Word says alone, then they will see those verses that I presented in the OP. Those who like Christmas and never would even remotely consider of ever giving it up at this time of their life are obviously not going to see what those verses I had presented say. It's like the first time I seen one of those Jesus optical illusion signs. At first, I could not see what it said until somebody physically pointed it out to me. But I had to have the desire to want to see what it said, though.
 
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But were you told by the Most High God to celebrate your father's birthday, do you do it because you want to, and/or do you do it because everyone else before you did it?

Did you ever see a verse in the bible when the Disciples, Joseph, Mary, or anyone else celebrated the birthday of Christ?

Did the Most High God ever tell us to celebrate His birthday? Do you know why celebrating the birthday of Christ is futility? Because He is. He has existed since the foundation of everything, and will continue to forever. You, and I have a beginning and end, that's why the tradition of birthdays is important to men.

However, a noteworthy celebration would be to celebrate and honor the Day He laid down His Life for us - to make a way for our salvation.
We have no end:

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
 
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while we are tossing our christmas trees to the curb perhaps we should throw the church building along with it.

Didn't Christ say, "Where two or more are gathered, I am in the midst of them."

2+ people in fellowship is Church; no edifice is necessary. Do you think spirit-filled Asians miss Church because they have to hide in secret to fellowship - underground, in holes, in rooms of homes, etc.?

You said what you said flippantly, perhaps, but that is an example of how the spirit will speak the truth even in things we consider sour (e.g. scoffing).
 
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We have no end:

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Do not be deceived; many will say they did works in His name, and will be treated as strangers. Only those that believe in Him and do what He says will be saved. That isnt everyone.

But, we are not the Most High God; we have a beginning - which is why birthdays are an age-old tradition of man.
 
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Do you know who else doesn't like Christmas?
After the Russian Revolution, the God hating athiests banned Christmas in 1917.

Since Jason's argument basically boils down to "guilty by association", I guess that puts Jason in the same boat as those who hate God.

Thank you for speaking wrongfully of me.
I will rejoice in God my Savior.

Anyways, Paul talked about those who preach another Jesus that he did not preach, that we should bear with them. Did Paul preach about the version of Jesus at Christmas time? No. For one, this celebration is not mentioned. Two, it's a different Jesus because the holiday teaches that it is okay to use pagan things and celebrate on highly notorious pagan days, and focus on greed and materialism in a family gift exchange that is under compulsion (Which is contrary to 2 Corinthians 9:7).

Atheists hate the idea of any mention of Jesus (even if it is a Jesus that is not preached in the Bible). So no. I am not against Jesus as mentioned in the Bible. I am against a version of Jesus that is not revealed to us in the Holy Scriptures (Especially when this Jesus is tied to things that run contrary to Scripture).
 
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I wasn't expecting everyone to understand the same conviction that I have on the Scriptures. I heard about Christians not celebrating Christmas before, but I never really ventured into looking at the reasons biblically because at the time I was not interested in hearing it. At this point in my life, I decided to look into it more and be open to the verses on it because I have put away other worldly things out of my life like secular movies, and secular music, etc.

For it's all about...

love not the world, and neither the things in the world (See 1 John 2:15-17).

I believe anyone who is truly open to giving up the things of this world and they are interested in following what God's Word says alone, then they will see those verses that I presented in the OP. Those who like Christmas and never would even remotely consider of ever giving it up at this time of their life are obviously not going to see what those verses I had presented say. It's like the first time I seen one of those Jesus optical illusion signs. At first, I could not see what it said until somebody physically pointed it out to me. But I had to have the desire to want to see what it said, though.
the church building is both not biblical and it's also directly from traditions of men, specifically the Roman Hall. in fact a lot of what we see in church is from roman systems including the names.
 
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the church building is both not biblical and it's also directly from traditions of men, specifically the Roman Hall. in fact a lot of what we see in church is from roman systems including the names.

Yes, I believe the proper form of fellowship is what we see described in the New Testament. Believers only gathered in each others homes every first week (that involves the breaking of bread, i.e. the Lord's supper, and the collection for the saints to fit the ministry needs and not to make anyone wealthy or to pay a person's luxurious salary). The popular churches of today is not what we see in the NT. This is why I seek Bible study groups, etc.

Traditional churches is a collection of believers and unbelievers worshiping God together. But what fellowship does light have with darkness?
 
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Didn't Christ say, "Where two or more are gathered, I am in the midst of them."

2+ people in fellowship is Church; no edifice is necessary. Do you think spirit-filled Asians miss Church because they have to hide in secret to fellowship - underground, in holes, in rooms of homes, etc.?

You said what you said flippantly, perhaps, but that is an example of how the spirit will speak the truth even in things we consider sour (e.g. scoffing).
gathering is biblical, having special buildings to do so is not which is a model directly influenced by roman halls and pagan temples converted into churches during constantine. this doesn't mean it is wrong or misguided and there are good values with it, there are also values in this model that miss the point too but can we not say the same for Christmas? As Christians we can use the day to give glory to God as we can use a post-biblical building influenced by worldly systems to glorify God.
 
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Do not be deceived; many will say they did works in His name, and will be treated as strangers. Only those that believe in Him and do what He says will be saved. That isnt everyone.

But, we are not the Most High God; we have a beginning - which is why birthdays are an age-old tradition of man.
I follow the Church Christ established on Earth not the interpretations of a man born 2000 years after Christ.
 
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Yes, I believe the proper form of fellowship is what we see described in the New Testament. Believers only gathered in each others homes every first week (that involves the breaking of bread, i.e. the Lord's supper, and the collection for the saints to fit the ministry needs and not to make anyone wealthy or to pay a person's luxurious salary). The popular churches of today is not what we see in the NT. This is why seek Bible study groups, etc.
does this mean you are also boycotting church buildings or do you still see value in them even with its impure roots? If yes, could there also be redeeming values in Christmas, including the tree, even with its impure roots?
 
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Important Note:
(Please read this before posting and or reading the rest of my OP):

I want to first say that I love you in the Lord Jesus Christ. I also want to say that I love all people. I am commanded by God to even love my enemies. My message today here is not that I want to be of hate or of malice, but of love. I say what I do in love to you. God tells me to even love the sinner and hate the sin. I am especially fond of my fellow Christians who truly desire to follow Christ and who seek to obey Him in everything that He tells us to do within His Word. That is what this thread is about. If you are offended by what I will say with Scripture, please know I am not saying I am better than you or that I do not care about you. I am nothing. The Lord our God is everything; And I love you deeply. I am merely calling you in love to follow God's Word and His Word alone. Only God can open our eyes, and change our hearts to see what His Word says in so many ways. I am only speaking and doing that which I believe is right by the Word of God. This thread is merely to show you what the Bible says about a popular celebration of the world when we compare it with Scripture. For surely we can love our families without a specific calendar day telling us to do so. We can most assuredly love our family by God's Word alone. In fact, speaking of God's Word, we are told within His Word to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21). We are to hold fast to that which is good (1 Thessalonians 5:21). My friends, I call you all in love to look at the Holy Scriptures today with a fresh new pair of eyes. Before you begin, I would like you to take a moment and pray. I would like for you to pray to the Lord and ask Him for wisdom and understanding before reading what I am about to share with you in love involving the Scriptures. For I write this because I love you in Christ Jesus.
Side Note: Did you pray yet? Did you really do it? Please do so now if you have not done so. Anyways, may the Lord's love and goodness be upon you this day that the Lord has made.​


Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical.

#1. Christmas is not celebrated anywhere in the Bible.

(a) Jesus is not a baby right now but He is our risen Lord.

We are never told to honor just a baby Jesus alone,
but we are told to live unto a risen Lord (2 Corinthians 5:15).
Focusing on a baby version of Jesus (without mentioning the resurrection of Christ in our message) is to take the focus off of our risen Lord Jesus Christ. If our message does not include a risen Christ, then our preaching is in vain according to Paul:
"And if Christ be not risen,
then is our preaching vain,
and your faith is also vain." (1 Corinthians 15:14).
Tell me, does Christmas focus on a risen Lord or does it focus on His birth?

(b) While there are biblical clues to Christ's birth date, the date of Christ's birth is nowhere specifically mentioned in the Bible and oddly his birth is coincidentally placed upon the date of the worship of other pagan gods, and a popular pagan festival, instead.

Is it okay to worship God in any way we like? In Genesis 4, we see Cain trying to bring the harvest of the ground unto God as a sacrifice instead of offering an animal sacrifice like his brother Abel did correctly (See Genesis 4:3-7). Cain's offering was not accepted. His worship was not accepted. Why? Because he was doing his own thing. Cain grew angry and decided to kill his own brother over this. Friend, do you hate or dislike Christians who do not keep Christ-mass?
Jesus says he seeks for those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). Are we worshiping in truth if there are some pagan elements (which are a lie) mixed in with the truth? Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life? (John 14:6). Jesus said, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shalt you serve." (Luke 4:8). But how can we worship God alone if we are involving pagan elements in our worship of Him. Was not Cain's offering of doing whatever he wanted not accepted by God? (See Genesis 4:5). Was Cain truly worshiping God alone by being obedient to him or was he worshiping God his own way?​

#2. Christmas Trees.

21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the Lord thy God, which thou shalt make thee.
22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth."
(Deuteronomy 16:21).

2 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (Jeremiah 10:2-4).

Celts and druids (witches) believe trees are sacred or magical objects.
Meaning, they holds some kind of significance spiritually for them.

Even if you did not put up trees yourself.
You cannot stop others from doing so.
Christmas trees is about the holiday (holy day) season.
Some people sing praises to the Christmas tree (without thinking about it) in Christmas carols. People give attention to a beautiful object and put presents around it (like a gift or offering) to this beautiful object. Some people dance around the Christmas tree. Sure seems like harmless fun, but what if the Bible is really condemning trees?
Also, why would you want to imitate a practice that is similar to the druids and put up a sacred special tree in your home?
Sure, they may not think it is a god or idol exactly because your not bowing down to it or praying to it, but does that mean we can just put statues of demonic idols in our home and God would be okay with that?​

#3. Do not imitate the heathen's ways or men's traditions.

Colossians 2:8 says,
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

Is Christmas something in the Bible or is it more like a tradition of men and or after the rudiments of the world? Think about it. Should we let a world recognized holiday tell us how we are to worship our Lord? Or do we let the Bible alone tell us how we are to worship our Lord?

"Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect." (Romans 12:2) (NLT).

"...Learn not the way of the heathen,..." (Jeremiah 10:2).

But it has Jesus in the holiday and we focus on Jesus, so it is okay, right?

It is written,

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (2 Corinthians 11:4).

Paul is saying to bear with them that preach another Jesus. He does not say to embrace another Jesus in whom they have not preached.

The Jesus that is being preached in Christmas is a baby Jesus and how we must give honor to Him by exchanging gifts (sometimes going into debt) around a Christmas tree.

In fact, 9 out of the 11 times the word "tradition" appears in the King James Bible, it is in reference to the traditions of men that were bad and not good (See this link here at BlueLetterBible). In fact, Jesus says that men were transgressing God's commands by their man made traditions. Christmas is a human tradition of man and it is nowhere to be found within the Scriptures; And we are told not to imitate the way of the heathen or the customs of the world. Christmas is very much a custom or celebration of the world.​

#4. True Giving vs Christmas Giving.

Do not give out of compulsion. For Paul says,

"You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure. "For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.""
(2 Corinthians 9:7) (NLT).

Yet, Christmas is a time where you feel compelled to give out of pressure.

Christmas is also a time when it is about the exchange of gifts.

Yet, Jesus says,
Give without expecting anything in return.
For do not sinners love their own?
For sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

"And if you lend to them of whom you hope to receive, what thanks have you? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. (Luke 6:34).

32 "For if you love them who love you, what thanks have you? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if you do good to them who do good to you, what thanks have you? for sinners also do even the same." (Luke 6:32-33).

"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward shall be great, and you shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." (Luke 6:35).

12 "Then said he also to him that bade him, When you give a dinner or a supper, call not your friends, nor your brethren, neither your kinsmen, nor your rich neighbors; lest they also bid you again, and a recompense be made you.
13 But when you give a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
14 And you shall be blessed; for they cannot recompense you: for you shall be recompensed at the resurrection of the just." (Luke 14:12-14).

8 "And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken anything from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
9 And Jesus said unto him, "This day is salvation come to this house,...""
(Luke 19:8-9).​

#5. The focus of Christmas is materialism and not the worship of Christ on this day.

Most do not actually celebrate Jesus's birth on this day but they actually focus more on the gift giving and the decorating and in celebrating or having a good time with their family. For when the holidays come, do you prepare yourself in prayer, fasting, reading Scripture in order to worship Christ on Christmas? Or are you more focused on buying things for others and in getting together with your family to just have a good time? An insane amount of money is spent on Christmas each year and people have gone into financial debt as a result of it. Others beat each other up in department stores all in the spirit of Christmas. Is such a material focused holiday really something that is of God? How are you honoring Christ's birth truly? Are you focusing on those Scripture verses on the Nativity each year as a family? Do you and your family feel like you are drawing closer to God each year by celebrating the Lord's birth? Or is it more about the stuff with you saying that you are honoring Christ? I say this not to get you or anyone else here upset, but I say this as a means to examine yourself in your walk with the Lord in everything you do. To prove to you that Christmas is not materialistic, just tell your kids next year that they are not getting any gifts and watch their reaction. They have depended on being rich with things and not rich in the things of God. For some even look forward to Christmas just so as to receive money. However, the Bible says,
10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But you, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
#6. Be ye holy and separate from the world.

Atheists, psychics, and people of many faiths celebrate Christmas. It is the one time of year where everyone gets together to give and whereby some say they are doing it to honor Christ's birth. Everyone is one big happy family celebrating and exchanging gifts and excited over their newly received material goods. Everyone including Christ haters are celebrating Christmas along with Christ lovers. There is even an Atheist Christmas Carol (See here and or here). But the Bible says be ye holy (1 Peter 1:16), and be ye separate (2 Corinthians 6:17). The Bible says what fellowship does light have with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14). For it is written,
17 "This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:" (Ephesians 4:17-21).
#7. Love not the things of this world.

In 1 John 2:15-17, it says love not the world, neither the things in this world, if any man loves the world, the love of the Father is not in them.

Christmas is technically a thing of this world. It is world recognized holiday.
But if you tell people you stopped celebrating Christmas, expect some hateful comments from people. Why?
"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (John 15:19).

Colossians 3:1-3 says,

"Since you were raised from the dead with Christ, aim at what is in heaven, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God. Think only about the things in heaven, not the things on earth. Your old sinful self has died, and your new life is kept with Christ in God."

Christmas is not something that is celebrated in Heaven. We are to think about the things in Heaven or above and not on the things of this Earth. Our focus should be on building ourselves up in righteousness, love, and faith according to God's Word and not according to the wisdom or ways of men.​
Anyways, I say all this in love and with the hope you will investigate the origins of Christmas on your own and seek the Scriptures with God in deep prayer and fasting on this matter. I know that if you will seek the truth, God will show it to you. Again, I say these things not condemn or hurt anyone but I say these things in love so as to answer the call of God in your Sanctification in being truly holy for the Lord. So..."Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16).

Stop celebrating birthdays while you're at it.
And Easter.
 
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And Easter.

Yes, that too. The disciples preached the resurrection of Jesus, but nowhere in the Bible (as far as I'm aware) are we told to celebrate the anniversary of the crucifixion and resurrection with a festival. Yet the vast majority of Christians do. And Easter is as full of "pagan" elements as Christmas. It coincides with pagan spring festivals (in the Bible, Jesus' death coincided with Passover, but in the Western calendar the date of Easter is counted from the spring equinox) and of course all the added trappings of rabbits, eggs, chickens etc. are pre-Christian symbols of fertility and new life. You could easily argue the majority of people who celebrate Easter aren't doing so because of anything to do with Jesus, they're doing so because they love an excuse to have a long weekend and indulge in chocolate. And from that you could argue that Christians are wrong to celebrate it, no matter why they think they're celebrating it, because the entire holiday is pagan and non-Biblical and materialistic and a tradition of man. That's precisely what you're saying about Christmas. So in order to be consistent, Jason (and Kaon), you really need to be arguing the same things about Easter.

And what about Thanksgiving? I'm not American and I've never been in America at that time of year, but I understand Thanksgiving is actually your biggest holiday of the year, bigger even than Christmas to many people. It's not in the Bible. It isn't a Christian or Jewish holiday ordained by God. It's essentially a late harvest festival — paganism again, with all that symbolism drawn from nature and even from Native American culture. Nothing in it at all points specifically to God or Jesus, no matter how Christians may try to claim it does. It's essentially about celebrating with family and friends and indulging in turkey. And of course, because it makes a four-day weekend, the day after your Thanksgiving is "Black Friday" when all the insane materialism really starts up. See what it all leads to? How can any true Christian celebrate this? Again, you really do need to be as anti-Thanksgiving as you are anti-Christmas if you want to be consistent and logical here. :)
 
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If that had any truth in it there would have been no reformation and everyone would be following the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Yet the whole reason for the reformation was that the RCC surplanted its own traditions and teachings that broke the commandments of God and were leading God's people away from God's WORD. Jesus says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.
The Protestant “reformation” wasn’t a reformation, it was a schism. Not the first schism either. I notice that your a Seventh Day Adventist since you talk about following the traditions of man, wasn’t your church founded by a man and a women who claimed revelation and visions from God?
 
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Thank you for your words.
They are an encouragement to me.
This will be my first year of not celebrating Christmas.
For me: This was a recent revelation to me by God's Word and other historical sources.
Jason I pray you will be encouraged, it is not easy and you only have to see the responses here on this forum.
I am more and more really trying to focus on what God has commanded us to do rather than practices of men.
It is up to each one of us to follow God with as clear a conscience as possible.
I don't like when things become personal attacks which is why I'm not going to keep on posting on this topic.
I spoke about it last Christmas on the Confessional forum and it was pretty much like this one as far as responses.

It is very hard on one level going against the "norm" but oh so simple when you strip it back to Scripture. God Bless you for your thoughtful posts and remember "with God on your side is a majority"
Thank you for your OP and the Christian love in which it was spoken.
:amen:
 
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gathering is biblical, having special buildings to do so is not which is a model directly influenced by roman halls and pagan temples converted into churches during constantine. this doesn't mean it is wrong or misguided and there are good values with it, there are also values in this model that miss the point too but can we not say the same for Christmas? As Christians we can use the day to give glory to God as we can use a post-biblical building influenced by worldly systems to glorify God.

The context of what I replied to was that since we are critical (and, may ultimately dissociate from Christmas), we may as well dissociate from the bible building.

With that, there is absolutely no biblical canonical text that says you must have a temple or building to worship the Most High God. And, Christ said that when two or more are gathered He is in the midst.

If men want buildings to worship their gods, then that is fine. But, it isn't from the Word of God except for temple culture - which couldn't understand that while the house of God was the temple, The Most High God was EVERYWHERE.

People think you have to go to a building with a preacher in order to experience Christ. That is a gross perpetuation of a misunderstanding of fellowship and CHURCH.
 
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I follow the Church Christ established on Earth not the interpretations of a man born 2000 years after Christ.

The Church the Word of God established had no doors or walls, and no denominational doctrine. It was pure Word of God.
 
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does this mean you are also boycotting church buildings or do you still see value in them even with its impure roots? If yes, could there also be redeeming values in Christmas, including the tree, even with its impure roots?

You are comparing something that is in no way the same thing. One is the wrongful gathering of the saints. The other is a secular holiday for all people of faith (regardless of a person's faith) with the celebration of Santa and Jesus's birth tacked on to an already pagan festival with greed, materialism, and in some cases lying attached.
 
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