WHO DO YOU FOLLOW THE TRADITIONS OF MEN OR THE WORD OF GOD (JESUS)?

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
#1. Christians gather on the first day of the week as ordered by Paul as a part of the collections (1 Corinthians 16:1-2).

Can you show me where in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 where there is a Christian 'gather[ing]' on the first day of the week? It says, to gather materials personally at home, individually:

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Where is the meeting or 'gathering' together that you suggest?

Again:

1Co 16:2 κατα μιαν σαββατων εκαστος υμων παρ εαυτω τιθετω θησαυριζων ο τι αν ευοδωται ινα μη οταν ελθω τοτε λογιαι γινωνται

Again the Sabbath of the Lord is still the 7th day, the culmination of the week in 1 Corinthians 16. The first day is just a day towards that end, of God's rest.

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
First, you are not a Greek expert.

You "know" this for a fact? You do like to assert your own foolishness that is for sure.

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
#2. Christians gather on the first day of the week to break bread (i.e. the Lord's supper)

I see you had to "add" your own words and meaning into the text. Where does the text say "Lord's supper"?

Act 20:7 εν δε τη μια των σαββατων συνηγμενων των μαθητων του κλασαι αρτον ο παυλος διελεγετο αυτοις μελλων εξιεναι τη επαυριον παρετεινεν τε τον λογον μεχρι μεσονυκτιου

klasai arton is not "Lord's supper", it means simply 'break bread', and the disciples did that at every gathering, on any day of the week:

Act_2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act 2:46 καθ ημεραν τε προσκαρτερουντες ομοθυμαδον εν τω ιερω κλωντες τε κατ οικον αρτον μετελαμβανον τροφης εν αγαλλιασει και αφελοτητι καρδιας

Act_5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Act 5:42 πασαν τε ημεραν εν τω ιερω και κατ οικον ουκ επαυοντο διδασκοντες και ευαγγελιζομενοι ιησουν τον χριστον

Where is the "Cup" of the Lord as Paul said, in Acts 20:7 or anywhere in Acts 20?

1Co_10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

You are grossly in error, and cannot even read the plain text before you without having to add nonsense into it.

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
DOES NOT say they broke bread on the first day BECAUSE Paul was going to depart the next day.

I never said it did. You are arguing phantoms with me.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 27, 2018

EvangAlived said:
Where in those texts does it say the "the sabbath" (Of the LORD; Exodus 20:8-11) is no longer "binding"? Be specific please, as Romans 14 doesn't use the word "sabbath", "seventh day" (in fact, all of Romans never uses the words, even once), anywhere or even "commandment"

Jesus said:

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Good post brother EvangAlived, welcome to this thread and nice to see you here.

Great post! I would not expect to get a response back. The post you are responding to is a repitition all throughout this thread that has already been replied to in detail with God's WORD which simply gets ignored unfortunately and with no response. Seems many will be disappointed come judgment day.

Nice to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughts here.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Unless you are the Apostle Paul or unless you had a time machine and you visited the locals and studied under them, you have no idea what the Greek really means.

That is probably one of the most asinine statements I have ever heard.

If people do not know what the Greek means, then why in the world are you using an English translation of it? :scratch:

Bible Highlighter · Sep 27, 2018

Another note on Acts of the Apostles 20:7:

"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." (Acts of the Apostles 20:7) (KJV).

"On the first day of the week, when the disciples were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and continued his speech until midnight." (Acts of the Apostles 20:7) (WEB).

Now, lets illustrate this using something else.

On Monday, the students at Huckleberry High gathered together in the school to study, the principle talked with them, intending to depart on vacation tomorrow, he talked with his students a little longer than he normally did.

Do we get the impression that the reason the students at Huckleberry High gathered together in school to study came to school just so as to hear the principle talk with them? No. The above text does not say that. How can we re-arrange this sentence so that we get that impression?

On Monday, the students at Huckleberry High gathered together in school to study because they looked forward for the principle to talk with them, for he was intending to depart on vacation tomorrow; Seeing that the principle could sense their dismay of his departure, he talked with his students a little longer than he normally did.

See the difference between the two sentences?

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." (Acts of the Apostles 20:7) (KJV).

Let's use your 'logic' (wow), and slightly substitute what you previously said and apply it to the AV.

Jason0047 said:
Unless you are the [King James Translators] or unless you had a time machine and you visited the locals and studied under them, you have no idea what the [King James English] really means.

Man, that is some excellent 'logic' at work there :oldthumbsup:

, not!

Bible Highlighter · Sep 27, 2018

EvangAlived said:
That is probably one of the most **** statements I have ever heard.

Okay. I am pretty sure that it is wrong for a Christian to swear. I am also pretty sure it is a violation of rules of this forum, too. Please re-edit this statement to be a little more wholesome please.

Edit:
Okay. I just seen the edit (after posting). Thanks.

You said:
If people do not know what the Greek means, then why in the world are you using an English translation of it?

Well, first, I believe God's Word was preserved (translated) through out time. I believe the English Bible has already been translated perfectly and we do not need to improve upon it. For we are to let God's Word correct us and we are not to correct God's Word. I believe God chose 4 languages to preserve His perfect Word.

1. Hebrew.
2. Greek.
3. Latin (Not the corrupt Latin Vulgate).
4. English.

Second, you don't know Biblical Greek, my friend. You did not grow up speaking and writing Greek as a kid in Bible times. To give you an example: A person can think they can study a book on a language and then go to a country expecting to know as much as the locals did. But I assure you, a book is not aways going to teach you what experience in that culture can't. Books are limited in their scope of what they can teach us vs. real experience in learning a language. You truly do not know a language unless you were to go into that culture and speak and write it. Seeing Biblical Greek is not a language that exists today, you are making assumptions that the books accurately recorded all things necessary for you to be an expert as Paul was. In fact, the problem I see today is that many think the Greek says something different than the English sometimes. It doesn't. God's words remain the same through out time.

EvangAlived · Sep 27, 2018

Don't back peddle. Just admit is was a stupid statement and abandon it forever. I will admire you for so doing.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 27, 2018

EvangAlived said:
Where in those texts does it say the "the sabbath" (Of the LORD; Exodus 20:8-11) is no longer "binding"?

14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:14-17).

Verse 14 - Christ blotted out the handwriting of ordinances, took them out of the way, and nailed them to the cross.
Verse 15 - These ordinances were triumped over by Christ.
Verse 16 - Still talking about the ordinances: Therefore, let no man judge you in meat, drink, holy day, or sabbath days, etc.
Verse 17 - For these things are a shadow of things to come, but the body that casts that shadow is Christ.

Sabbath days can refer to the weekly Sabbath.
We see this in Scripture:

13 "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth anywork in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(Exodus 31:13-15).

LoveGodsWord · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:14-17).

Verse 14 - Christ blotted out the handwriting of ordinances, took them out of the way, and nailed them to the cross.
Verse 15 - These ordinances were triumped over by Christ.
Verse 16 - Still talking about the ordinances: Therefore, let no man judge you in meat, drink, holy day, or sabbath days, etc.
Verse 17 - For these things are a shadow of things to come, but the body that casts that shadow is Christ.

Sabbath days can refer to the weekly Sabbath.
We see this in Scripture:

13 "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth anywork in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(Exodus 31:13-15).

Hello Jason,

What is sad about this post and for you Jason is you ignore the posts and the scriptures posted to you that disagree with you. Many posts and scriptures are sent as a help for you but you choose to simply ignore them and just continue to repost the same old things over and over without addressing any of the posts sent to you in any detail.

We all answer only to God come judgement day and will be held accountable to God for the Word that he sends us that is rejected *JOHN 12:47-48.

In the days of Jesus and the Apostles the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures were their bible. You quote COL 2:14-17 but you leave out the chapter and within scripture CONTEXT that reference the OLD testament scriptures and you do not even know what scriptures are being references by Paul in the OLD Testament.

If everything we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT then how can you know what the NEW TESTAMENT is talking about if you pull it out of Context and do not know God's WORD and you try and make it say something that it is not?

We need to be workman correctly dividing the Word of truth. If you cannot answer or respond to the questions, scriptures and posts that disagree with you it only shows you do not know God's WORD.

Your post above has already been adressed with detailed scripture linking the OLD and the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures that Paul is referring to in COL 2:16 from the OLD TESTAMENT in post # 113 linked click me and post # 114 linked click me.

Simply repeating yourself and ignoring God's WORD when it does not agree with you do not not make it disappear. If you disagree with the linked posts above then please reapond to them section by section and scripture by scripture as I have done with all of your posts. If you cannot it only shows you do not know God's WORD and have not come here to discuss it but to simply force your opinion on others.

If you do not know what the SHADOW laws are from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 how can you know what the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures are talking about? You have lost your key that opens the door to the NEW *JOHN 10:9

Yep many will be dissappointed come judgment day.

BNR32FAN · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
No, it's not.
The Word of God is a "Tradition of God" given to man.

For there is a difference between:

#1. Scripture or the Tradition of God given to man,

vs.
#2. Tradition of Men over Scripture
(Which is what we see a lot of these days).
The Acts of the Apostles 5:29 says,

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

God ultimately is the authority of His Word and it is not the men themselves. Men could not write Scripture without God.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,..."
(2 Timothy 3:16).

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21).

"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (1 Corinthians 14:37).

While God did not give a book to men in the exact manner you stated, God did write out the ten commandments with His own hand on tablets of stone, and God did tell certain men of God to write down His words at various times, too.

"And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly." (Deuteronomy 9:10).

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." (Exodus 34:1).

"And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book,..." (Exodus 17:14).

"Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book." (Jeremiah 30:2) (Note: Yes, I am aware that this is talking about a scroll and not an actual published book like today).

"And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it." (Habakkuk 2:2).

"Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11).

"Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;" (Revelation 1:19).

"And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them." (Revelation 14:13).

"And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God." (Revelation 19:19).

"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." (Revelation 21:5).

The Word of God will last forever.

"Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned." (Jeremiah 36:28).

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matthew 24:35).

24 "For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."
(1 Peter 1:24-25).

Source for specific terms used:
Scripture & Tradition of God Vs Tradition of Men Over Scripture

There was no bible for the first 380 years of Christianity. There were a ton of writings claimed to be devinely inspired and many forgeries claimed to be written by the apostles themselves. How did they determine which writings were inspired and which weren’t? Ecumenical council is how. The exact same way the church decided on its traditions. Why is it that we can accept the Church was correct on compiling the Bible but not correct on establishing traditions? Sunday worship is a tradition of man. There are many good sound traditions of the church that are seriously misunderstood. There are also some that are not so good. It pretty much comes down to when and by whom the tradition was established.

BNR32FAN · Sep 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:14-17).

Verse 14 - Christ blotted out the handwriting of ordinances, took them out of the way, and nailed them to the cross.
Verse 15 - These ordinances were triumped over by Christ.
Verse 16 - Still talking about the ordinances: Therefore, let no man judge you in meat, drink, holy day, or sabbath days, etc.
Verse 17 - For these things are a shadow of things to come, but the body that casts that shadow is Christ.

Sabbath days can refer to the weekly Sabbath.
We see this in Scripture:

13 "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth anywork in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(Exodus 31:13-15).

Romans 14 is another great example of the Saturday Sabbath and the dietetic laws being done away with. Although I do believe that we should still set aside a day of worship to God. I believe we now have been given more freedom as to which day we can worship. I believe we are still under the purpose of the law and we must still honor God which was the purpose of the Sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 27, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
Romans 14 is another great example of the Saturday Sabbath and the dietetic laws being done away with. Although I do believe that we should still set aside a day of worship to God. I believe we now have been given more freedom as to which day we can worship. I believe we are still under the purpose of the law and we must still honor God which was the purpose of the Sabbath.

I guess it is if you want to read into scripture something that it is not saying.

ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems and is talking about eating and not eating [fasting].

There is no mention of God's 4th commandment in the entire chapter. Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keeo Sunday as a Holy day?

BNR32FAN · Sep 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
I guess it is if you want to read into it something that it is not saying.

ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days and eating and not eating [fasting].

There is no mention of God's 4th commandment in the entire chapter. Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keeo Sunday as a Holy day?

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5-8‬

LoveGodsWord · Sep 27, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5-8‬

ROMANS 14:1-12
[1], Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2], For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs.
[3], Let not him that eats despise him that eats not; and let not him which eats not judge him that eats: for God has received him.
[4], Who are you that judge another man's servant? to his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5], One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6], He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.
[7], For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.
[8], For whether we live, we live to the Lord; and whether we die, we die to the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9], For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10], But why do you judge your brother? or why do you set at nothing your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11], For it is written, As I live, said the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12], So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

.............

CONCLUSION: Once again ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems and is talking about eating and not eating [fasting] and juding others. There is no mention of God's 4th commandment in the entire chapter. Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? It doesn't.

.............

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps

BNR32FAN · Sep 27, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
ROMANS 14:1-12
[1], Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2], For one believes that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eats herbs.
[3], Let not him that eats despise him that eats not; and let not him which eats not judge him that eats: for God has received him.
[4], Who are you that judge another man's servant? to his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5], One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6], He that regards the day, regards it to the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he does not regard it. He that eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that eats not, to the Lord he eats not, and gives God thanks.
[7], For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.
[8], For whether we live, we live to the Lord; and whether we die, we die to the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9], For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10], But why do you judge your brother? or why do you set at nothing your brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11], For it is written, As I live, said the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12], So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

.............

CONCLUSION: Once again ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems and is talking about eating and not eating [fasting] and juding others. There is no mention of God's 4th commandment in the entire chapter. Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? It doesn't.

.............

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps

No not really this is not the first time I’ve had this discussion.

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5-8‬

You esteemeth your day and I’ll esteemeth mine. I’ll give ya a big hug when we meet in heaven.

Saint Steven · Sep 27, 2018

In case this hasn't come up yet...
Sunday is not a replacement for the Sabbath.
The day of worship was not changed to Sunday.

Jewish believers and their gentile counterparts needed a common day that they could gather, the first day of the week, the day that Christ rose from the dead was chosen as a day when both could meet.

Jewish believers were not allowed to worship or confess faith in Jesus in the synagogues. And gentiles were not allowed to enter a synagogue. So, the common Sabbatarian teaching that Christians were meeting to worship Jesus in synagogues on the Sabbath is rubbish.

John 9:22
His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders, who already had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah would be put out of the synagogue.

LoveGodsWord · Sep 27, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
No not really this is not the first time I’ve had this discussion.

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:5-8‬

You esteemeth your day and I’ll esteemeth mine. I’ll give ya a big hug when we meet in heaven.

Not really simply reading something into the scriptures that is not there does not make what you read into them become true. If you believe ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th Commandment then prove it. So far you haven't but simply read in to the scriptures something that is not even mentioned in the whole chapter.

ROMANS 14 is talking about days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems and is talking about eating and not eating [fasting] and juding others. There is no mention of God's 4th commandment in the entire chapter. Where does it say in ROMANS 14 that God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? It doesn't.

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SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

WHO DO YOU FOLLOW THE TRADITIONS OF MEN OR THE WORD OF GOD (JESUS)?

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