Can A Christian...Remarry---Part 2

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Did not Jesus whip out business people in temple complex? Did he not condemn the hypocrites of Judaism?


Did he not say the things that the gospel writers I quoted say that he said? Are either of us Jesus? Do we get to place ourselves in the position that He occupies or are we to obey Him and do what he tells us to do? Jesus , being without sin is qualified to judge. We who are imperfect are not so qualified. It is our role to spread the gospel. Now there are words in the gospel that will point out what is sinful. We can surely relay those words, but we do not get to pass judgement upon our neighbor. That is not our role.
 
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Is this your answer to those who have maintained that remarried people are living in unrepentant adultery and are condemned?

It would be a sad thing to think that half of the ones in the church that have remarried are condemned.

I think the poster of this thread hit on some excellent points.

Man was not meant to be alone.

My wife and I have both been divorced and have repented from our past and do our best to make our marriage of today a lasting one, doing what's right in God's eyes daily.

We hope and pray that God will honor this marriage.

Lord have mercy on us for we are sinners.

M-Bob
 
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Continued from Remarriage Part 1—concluding part

There may be cases of young and unfortunate widows who need support with remarriages. They may have children to support. A remarriage with a divorced man may light up their lives. Or a remarriage with a poor virgin girl sustains a desirable life. What could be better than this? If a woman had been unjustly divorced, then it will be a good thing if a man married her irrespective of his background.
Sex is the strongest built-in urge, given by God, which both man and beast experience. Therefore, God can understand this weakness in a person. David committed adultery culminating in deliberate ending of the life of a person. Nevertheless, he was greatly used by God for other positive attributes of him. It is not that I want to quote this as precedent to seek forgiveness for such kinds of grave sins! What I mean is that one should not think that broken marriage is the end of life of a person! He may find another genuine person who can help in the rest of his life. The person might have been unjustly treated in a previous marriage. Here is an opportunity to make good what was missing in the previous arrangement. Life should go on. One broken relationship should not become a dead end. It should be treated as a bend meant for deviation to get back to a new life. Our life should not be allowed to be decided or ruined by a wicked and egoist person. We should allow God to work on us; certainly, He can understand our needs, weaknesses and feelings.

Clergy and ministers who have not really received any authority from Jesus Christ to marry two people, cannot say they cannot grant divorce to a couple when one of them violated the vows of marriage and not willing to repent sincerely with humility even advised several times by the elders involved and concerned.
All are not like Socrates. Perhaps, he became a philosopher married to a shrew! How can the world run effectively and usefully if all became philosophers?
An ideal wife is clearly pictured in Proverbs 31:10-31 as follows:
“Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates” (Proverbs 31:10-31).

Of course, it may not be always possible to get a woman as wife who will satisfy all the characteristics listed above. There ought to be ‘give’ and ‘take’ policy to keep the family chariot moving without bumps and breakdowns. It should not be ‘you give’ and ‘I take’ condition all the time!
“Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands” (Proverbs 14:1).
A righteous man will have to detach himself from a wife who is driven by a devilish intent of destroying the family to satisfy her satanic ways, desires and means.
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The New Covenant does not provide for Christians divorcing Christians. Paul says if an unbelieving spouse divorces the Christian, they must reconcile or remain single. All divorce and remarriage = adultery.
 
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The New Covenant does not provide for Christians divorcing Christians. Paul says if an unbelieving spouse divorces the Christian, they must reconcile or remain single. All divorce and remarriage = adultery.

Let us just make a wild guess here.

You have never divorced?

Is divorce an unforgivable sin?

M-Bob
 
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Let us just make a wild guess here.

You have never divorced?

Is divorce an unforgivable sin?

M-Bob
Divorce was an Old Covenant provision for the hard hearted. But not part of the New Covenant (believers only). We forgive instead of divorce. Divorce today is pagan and no more approved by God than abortion laws or any other sinful laws. Any divorce and remarriage today = adultery.
 
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I notice alot of opinion being taken as important and alot of scripture being twisted to support such opinion. Perhaps instead of elevating feelings above the word of God, we could be Christians... XD
 
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Divorce was an Old Covenant provision for the hard hearted. But not part of the New Covenant (believers only). We forgive instead of divorce. Divorce today is pagan and no more approved by God than abortion laws or any other sinful laws. Any divorce and remarriage today = adultery.

You answered none of the questions asked.

And this should not have been that hard.

M-Bob
 
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You answered none of the questions asked.

And this should not have been that hard.

M-Bob
If God does not provide for divorce as he did under the Old Covenant, it is not an option. People are just as married leaving divorce court as they were when they arrived.
 
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If God does not provide for divorce as he did under the Old Covenant, it is not an option. People are just as married leaving divorce court as they were when they arrived.
This is an extremely serious issue. You need scripture to support your view and none exists under the New Covenant.
 
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Did he not say the things that the gospel writers I quoted say that he said? Are either of us Jesus? Do we get to place ourselves in the position that He occupies or are we to obey Him and do what he tells us to do? Jesus , being without sin is qualified to judge. We who are imperfect are not so qualified. It is our role to spread the gospel. Now there are words in the gospel that will point out what is sinful. We can surely relay those words, but we do not get to pass judgement upon our neighbor. That is not our role.
We need to glorify Him at all cost. God hates wickedness. Silence is a kind of acceptance.
 
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That's what the Corinthians believed and they were divorcing their wives right left and centre for that very reason! That is why Paul commented on divorce to them, to stop them doing that!
When they are after marriage, that will not help in the responsibility of carrying on the ministry of Jesus.
 
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In my opinion, in the vast majority of cases a successful marriage completes two human lives and constitutes a great background for leadership roles in the church --- for either or both parties in that marriage.
That is secondary. For ministry, we require disciples.
 
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He might have the same right to claim Christian faith as you have! But the Scripture says, "The foundation stands sure; God knows who are His." That is why Paul refused to judge himself, but left the judgment to Christ Himself. So, if we can't reliably judge ourselves whether we are truly in the faith or not, how can we ever judge others?
I am judging because people are claiming to be disciples when they are just believers.
 
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Come on. Don't take it too hard. Sometimes friction leads to light.
I do not know you, but in the very few posts I have read in here I must warn that I see very much pride in your postings.

Caution brother or sister that you are not on the same ground as a Pharisee, to have love of law that exceeds your love of a brother or sister.

God does not oppose the adulter. Did Jesus have harsh words for the woman by the well that was living with a man not her husband that had been married 5 times? No. God opposes the proud.

He DID however have harsh words to say to the proud Pharisees. As I said, I do not know you and have seen very little in your posting history... simply a warning of what I see, do with it as you wish.

Let the Spirit guid others, if they are not convicted by the Spirit in them to do or not to do sonething... who are you to condemn them?

If the Spirit is not in them, you are not to judge them. Regardless of if the Spirit is in them or not, you are to meet them in love, warn them in love... not in the pride of your own arguements and words lest you have the right to boast.
 
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The New Covenant does not provide for Christians divorcing Christians. Paul says if an unbelieving spouse divorces the Christian, they must reconcile or remain single. All divorce and remarriage = adultery.
Jesus taught married couples should not divorce except for unfaithfulness. One who marries someone who was divorced for unfaithfulness is sinning (Matthew 19:9). Repenting of sexual sins and other unfaithfulness is not easy, nor does repentance automatically come with age. Some older people are wiser for their experiences, some are not.

My brother met a woman about 14 years ago. He was divorced. They eventually moved in together and married. They want to remain together, I would not dare try to split them up. They share a house and she helped raise one of his children. They both work at the same school and shared a ride.

Paul recommended younger widows should remarry. If most of the available men past 40 are divorced, it is difficult for a young widow to find someone who has not sinned. Marriage is not the only way to support people. Some elected to give alms or do charity. Jesus recommended helping the poor, hungry, and people wearing rags. Jesus recommended visiting the sick and imprisoned; giving to those who could not repay (Matthew 25:35-40). The apostles instructed Paul to remind his Gentile followers to remember the poor. (Galatians 2:9-10), The Jewish scriptures also instructed people to set aside money for the poor.

I looked into statistics about marriage. It is not uncommon for a woman to marry an older man, but the average age gap is two years. Marriages where the age gap was 20 years or more frequently failed. Statistics show that senior citizens are less likely to marry. It is too late for them to marry and start a family as the women are past menopause and many old men will suffer health problems and oncoming death. Some senior citizens remarried and it is legal for them to do so.
 
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Jesus taught married couples should not divorce except for unfaithfulness. One who marries someone who was divorced for unfaithfulness is sinning (Matthew 19:9). Repenting of sexual sins and other unfaithfulness is not easy, nor does repentance automatically come with age. Some older people are wiser for their experiences, some are not.

My brother met a woman about 14 years ago. He was divorced. They eventually moved in together and married. They want to remain together, I would not dare try to split them up. They share a house and she helped raise one of his children. They both work at the same school and shared a ride.

Paul recommended younger widows should remarry. If most of the available men past 40 are divorced, it is difficult for a young widow to find someone who has not sinned. Marriage is not the only way to support people. Some elected to give alms or do charity. Jesus recommended helping the poor, hungry, and people wearing rags. Jesus recommended visiting the sick and imprisoned; giving to those who could not repay (Matthew 25:35-40). The apostles instructed Paul to remind his Gentile followers to remember the poor. (Galatians 2:9-10), The Jewish scriptures also instructed people to set aside money for the poor.

I looked into statistics about marriage. It is not uncommon for a woman to marry an older man, but the average age gap is two years. Marriages where the age gap was 20 years or more frequently failed. Statistics show that senior citizens are less likely to marry. It is too late for them to marry and start a family as the women are past menopause and many old men will suffer health problems and oncoming death. Some senior citizens remarried and it is legal for them to do so.
Jesus explained the Old Covenant misconceptions about divorce and remarriage. But those provisions do not exist in the New Covenant. We forgive instead of divorcing. And if we divorce, God does not recognize it. Any subsequent remarriage is adultery, even on the part of the innocent divorced by an adulterous spouse.
 
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