Why is God more evident to some, and not so much to others?

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Hey all,

My Cousin and I recently watched a video of a man get healed of his injuries on the spot, presumably an Atheist, and later had a normal Bible related discussion in which she threw a question at me that I did not know how to answer properly.


She asked - "Why is God more present in some people's lives more than others? This man had his injuries healed on the spot when someone prayed over him and that was evidence of God's presence, whereas many Christians out there have never seen that level of power or confirmation from God before. The same applies to some Christians who hear from God constantly, whereas many others do not." This was not her exact wording, but it went something like that.

This really got me thinking about a similar scenario in which a man who had abused drugs almost to the point of death, shouted out Jesus' name and his life was transformed right there and then when he heard Jesus respond loud and clear. But many Christians out there who earnestly pray for something never seem to get a response... I've seen countless threads on here of people saying that their prayers remain unanswered, while many more claim God is healing, guiding, and talking to them daily. So, what's the difference? Does God favour some over others?

I'm aware the level of your faith has something to do with it, and what you pray for can also determine whether God responds or not, but how does that work with an Atheist who has no faith, and a devoted Christian who does? Many of their prayers are genuine and selfless, like healing, guidance, change of heart/situation, protection etc...

Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.

Thank you!
 
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Add to the mix that there is a spiritual landscape through which the answer to a prayer must traverse. Daniel prayed and his prayer was answered, however the messenger of that answer was detained for 21 days by the angel over the nation of Persia. No angel came to his rescue but Michael. (Daniel 10:13)

Pauls garments could heal, however Timothy and others he could not heal. I think here we have the difference of a move of the Holy Spirit vs an individual request, where the Spirit moved so mightily through Paul in that town that it even clung to his clothing.

Jesus 'could do no mighty work' in His hometown, but in other towns he did tremendous things because they believed what He said. His hometown only remembered Jesus from His youth. Surely Jesus could heal them, but why didn't He? We learn in Matthew 11:21-22 that greater condemnation comes when great revelation is met with unbelief.
 
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Healing may have not been from GOD as a devout atheist does not have faith in Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
 
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She asked - "Why is God more present in some people's lives more than others?
Matthew 13:58 King James Version (KJV)
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.


Some people are more stubborn than others , for example Paul had to have personal revelation or either he would kept being Jew and crucyfing Christians .

Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.

Because God has a plan for everybody and his will is not your will , he can punish somebody by letting his child die like he punished David no matter how much he cried and beg God to let him live .
 
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Hey all,

My Cousin and I recently watched a video of a man get healed of his injuries on the spot, presumably an Atheist, and later had a normal Bible related discussion in which she threw a question at me that I did not know how to answer properly.


She asked - "Why is God more present in some people's lives more than others? This man had his injuries healed on the spot when someone prayed over him and that was evidence of God's presence, whereas many Christians out there have never seen that level of power or confirmation from God before. The same applies to some Christians who hear from God constantly, whereas many others do not." This was not her exact wording, but it went something like that.

This really got me thinking about a similar scenario in which a man who had abused drugs almost to the point of death, shouted out Jesus' name and his life was transformed right there and then when he heard Jesus respond loud and clear. But many Christians out there who earnestly pray for something never seem to get a response... I've seen countless threads on here of people saying that their prayers remain unanswered, while many more claim God is healing, guiding, and talking to them daily. So, what's the difference? Does God favour some over others?

I'm aware the level of your faith has something to do with it, and what you pray for can also determine whether God responds or not, but how does that work with an Atheist who has no faith, and a devoted Christian who does? Many of their prayers are genuine and selfless, like healing, guidance, change of heart/situation, protection etc...

Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.

Thank you!
The atheist chose to trust, and by his trust, it was reckoned as righteousness. He exercised faith in that moment, empowering God to break the hold of disbelief and to heal his sickness. (It isn't as though God doesn't want to heal everyone..)

God is spirit, so He has to be manifested through a vessel, and where Jesus says "be holy as Your Father in Heaven is holy", that's what it takes.

He who has My commandments and keep them is the one who loves Me. He who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.
John 14:21
 
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Healing may have not been from GOD as a devout atheist does not have faith in Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
I don't buy that, the Christians were doing the praying not the atheist. I've seen miracles happen in this same type of situation.
 
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Hey all,

My Cousin and I recently watched a video of a man get healed of his injuries on the spot, presumably an Atheist, and later had a normal Bible related discussion in which she threw a question at me that I did not know how to answer properly.

She asked - "Why is God more present in some people's lives more than others? This man had his injuries healed on the spot when someone prayed over him and that was evidence of God's presence, whereas many Christians out there have never seen that level of power or confirmation from God before. The same applies to some Christians who hear from God constantly, whereas many others do not." This was not her exact wording, but it went something like that.

This really got me thinking about a similar scenario in which a man who had abused drugs almost to the point of death, shouted out Jesus' name and his life was transformed right there and then when he heard Jesus respond loud and clear. But many Christians out there who earnestly pray for something never seem to get a response... I've seen countless threads on here of people saying that their prayers remain unanswered, while many more claim God is healing, guiding, and talking to them daily. So, what's the difference? Does God favour some over others?

I'm aware the level of your faith has something to do with it, and what you pray for can also determine whether God responds or not, but how does that work with an Atheist who has no faith, and a devoted Christian who does? Many of their prayers are genuine and selfless, like healing, guidance, change of heart/situation, protection etc...

Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.

Thank you!

Hi Fallingupwards (I love your user name :)), the final thoughts that convinced me to become a Christian and surrender the reins of my life to the Lord were 1. He loved me 2. He wanted the very best for me and 3. He knew what the best for me was, far better than I could ever hope to myself. And I believe this is true for all of us who are His saints (or saints to be).

He gave us eternal life from the moment we first believed .. e.g. John 5:24, and He promised to both continually grow us up in Christlikeness, and to see us safely though this life to be with Him in Glory .. e.g. Philippians 1:6; 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; Hebrews 7:25 :amen:

That said, He did not promise us a "rose garden" (so to speak), or that all of our heart's desires would necessarily be met by Him in the way that "we" want/think they should be, because His principle concern is to make us more and more like Jesus (as painful as that may seem in the moment to us at times .. e.g. Hebrews 12:7-11).

Also, while we, as Christians, have been given a new nature (the "new self"), our old nature/old self is always right there in the wings, waiting to rear its ugly head and to interfere with our new self/our new desires. Knowing that, and how brutish a love we all have for this world and it's lusts/allurements, God uses the fittest means possible to draw us back so that we might choose to always mediate on our future lives with Him (instead of continually obsessing over the lusts or problems of this world).

The Bible also tells us that He has all of the hairs on head numbered, IOW, He knows each of us intimately, what we need, AND what we are able to handle, and I believe that He will lovingly do for each of us what He knows is best for each of us .. individually. We just need to trust Him, trust Him to always act for our best as the One who knows us best and loves us so, even though we might have chosen a completely different path if it was left up to us.

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - here are three of my favorite Christian quotes that you might want to consider in regard to all of this as well:

Our vision is so limited we can hardly imagine a love that does not show itself in protection from suffering.... The love of God did not protect His own Son.... He will not necessarily protect us - not from anything it takes to make us like His Son. A lot of hammering and chiseling and purifying by fire will have to go into the process. ~Elisabeth Elliot

Instead of a river, God often gives us a brook, which may be running today and dried up tomorrow. Why? To teach us not to rest in our blessings, but in the Blesser Himself. ~A. W. Pink

I have learned to kiss the waves that throw me up against the Rock of Ages. ~Charles H. Spurgeon
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Hey all,

My Cousin and I recently watched a video of a man get healed of his injuries on the spot, presumably an Atheist, and later had a normal Bible related discussion in which she threw a question at me that I did not know how to answer properly.


She asked - "Why is God more present in some people's lives more than others? This man had his injuries healed on the spot when someone prayed over him and that was evidence of God's presence, whereas many Christians out there have never seen that level of power or confirmation from God before. The same applies to some Christians who hear from God constantly, whereas many others do not." This was not her exact wording, but it went something like that.

This really got me thinking about a similar scenario in which a man who had abused drugs almost to the point of death, shouted out Jesus' name and his life was transformed right there and then when he heard Jesus respond loud and clear. But many Christians out there who earnestly pray for something never seem to get a response... I've seen countless threads on here of people saying that their prayers remain unanswered, while many more claim God is healing, guiding, and talking to them daily. So, what's the difference? Does God favour some over others?

I'm aware the level of your faith has something to do with it, and what you pray for can also determine whether God responds or not, but how does that work with an Atheist who has no faith, and a devoted Christian who does? Many of their prayers are genuine and selfless, like healing, guidance, change of heart/situation, protection etc...

Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.

Thank you!
I think the Lord speaks to all of us. Some choose to ignore him.
 
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Add to the mix that there is a spiritual landscape through which the answer to a prayer must traverse. Daniel prayed and his prayer was answered, however the messenger of that answer was detained for 21 days by the angel over the nation of Persia. No angel came to his rescue but Michael.

How does this apply to so many Christians out there whose daily prayers remain unanswered? Is God unable or unwilling to answer prayers on time because his angels are hindered by demons?

I can't imagine it's ever possible to convince an atheist to become a Christian with that sort of response simply because it puts God in this sort of limited, powerless position that he cannot overcome and is highly dependant on his Angels to act. It defeats the whole idea of an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God.

This also creates another dilemma. By claiming that God's angels can be hindered by demons, how do you answer to the fact that some Christians hear from God immediately after prayer? Why aren't their angels or requests thwarted like everyone else?

Again, please keep in mind I am not doubting my faith, but simply asking for more information to better improve myself because I know someone will eventually ask me that question.


Healing may have not been from GOD as a devout atheist does not have faith in Jesus Christ.

Although true, the man who prayed over the atheist in the video was in fact a Christian.

How about the drug abuser who heard from God immediately upon calling on him? What's your opinion on that? Was that not God too?

Because God has a plan for everybody and his will is not your will , he can punish somebody by letting his child die like he punished David no matter how much he cried and beg God to let him live .

Not sure how this answers my question since we're talking about thousands of devout Christians who depend on the Lord daily, yet almost never get a response.

If their sins are forgiven and forgotten, as per a few verses in the Bible, then what are they being punished for?

The atheist chose to trust, and by his trust, it was reckoned as righteousness. He exercised faith in that moment, empowering God to break the hold of disbelief and to heal his sickness. (It isn't as though God doesn't want to heal everyone..)

God is spirit, so He has to be manifested through a vessel, and where Jesus says "be holy as Your Father in Heaven is holy", that's what it takes.

He who has My commandments and keep them is the one who loves Me. He who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.

Doesn't a devout Christian trust daily, too? What is the difference then?

Hi Fallingupwards (I love your user name :)), the final thoughts that convinced me to become a Christian and surrender the reins of my life to the Lord were 1. He loved me 2. He wanted the very best for me and 3. He knew what the best for me was, far better than I could ever hope to myself. And I believe this is true for all of us who are His saints (or saints to be).

He gave us eternal life from the moment we first believed .. e.g. John 5:24, and He promised to both continually grow us up in Christlikeness, and to see us safely though this life to be with Him in Glory .. e.g. Philippians 1:6; 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; Hebrews 7:25 :amen:

That said, He did not promise us a "rose garden" (so to speak), or that all of our heart's desires would necessarily be met by Him in the way that "we" want/think they should be, because His principle concern is to make us more and more like Jesus (as painful as that may seem in the moment to us at times .. e.g. Hebrews 12:7-11).

Also, while we, as Christians, have been given a new nature (the "new self"), our old nature/old self is always right there in the wings, waiting to rear its ugly head and to interfere with our new self/our new desires. Knowing that, and how brutish a love we all have for this world and it's lusts/allurements, God uses the fittest means possible to draw us back so that we might choose to always mediate on our future lives with Him (instead of continually obsessing over the lusts or problems of this world).

The Bible also tells us that He has all of the hairs on head numbered, IOW, He knows each of us intimately, what we need, AND what we are able to handle, and I believe that He will lovingly do for each of us what He knows is best for each of us .. individually. We just need to trust Him, trust Him to always act for our best as the One who knows us best and loves us so, even though we might have chosen a completely different path if it was left up to us.

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - here are three of my favorite Christian quotes that you might want to consider in regard to all of this as well:

Our vision is so limited we can hardly imagine a love that does not show itself in protection from suffering.... The love of God did not protect His own Son.... He will not necessarily protect us - not from anything it takes to make us like His Son. A lot of hammering and chiseling and purifying by fire will have to go into the process. ~Elisabeth Elliot

Instead of a river, God often gives us a brook, which may be running today and dried up tomorrow. Why? To teach us not to rest in our blessings, but in the Blesser Himself. ~A. W. Pink

I have learned to kiss the waves that throw me up against the Rock of Ages. ~Charles H. Spurgeon
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Thank you, I'm glad Fallingupwards wasn't taken when I signed up! :)

Although I agree with your sentiment, I don't think it fully answered my question in regards to how some Christians seem favoured over others. I saw a thread recently of an individual claiming to have been praying, fasting and attending church service for almost 20 years (I think) and their life remains the same despite being committed to the faith for so long. I'm sure many more can relate to that and I knew someone who became an atheist for the same reasons.

I know God's way is not our way, and we don't have the capacity to understand everything about him, but I can't help but wonder why there is such a disparity between his believers? You have some atheists and Christians who hear from God and witness his power, and some Christians who don't... Why is that? What is the difference?

Thank you for this wonderfully detailed response by the way. I appreciate it.
 
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How does this apply to so many Christians out there whose daily prayers remain unanswered? Is God unable or unwilling to answer prayers on time because his angels are hindered by demons?

I can't imagine it's ever possible to convince an atheist to become a Christian with that sort of response simply because it puts God in this sort of limited, powerless position that he cannot overcome and is highly dependant on his Angels to act. It defeats the whole idea of an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God.

This also creates another dilemma. By claiming that God's angels can be hindered by demons, how do you answer to the fact that some Christians hear from God immediately after prayer? Why aren't their angels or requests thwarted like everyone else?

Again, please keep in mind I am not doubting my faith, but simply asking for more information to better improve myself because I know someone will eventually ask me that question.
I think of Psalm 82. This chapter is aimed right at those angels of the nations like the one over Persia. It ends in God judging these angels for their wickedness.

Arise, O God, judge the earth;
for you shall inherit all the nations!

Part of Jesus's mission was to take the nations back. This is why he sent out 70 disciples in accordance with the table of nations. When Jesus was in the wilderness this is why he was offered dominion over the world by the one who owned it, the adversary. When Jesus was in Caesarea Philippi and said 'the gates of hell shall not prevail against it' He stood before Mt Hermon, where fallen angels descended, and at the foot of the mountain stands a grotto to Pan known as the Gate of Hell. The rock which Jesus says He will build his church on is also local, it is Mt Hermon. He is alluding to the former council in Psalm 82 which the church will replace, and is replacing. God's kingdom has come, it is a spiritual kingdom, and it is fighting for territory everyday. Miracles are happening all over the world, but mostly on the front lines where Christs kingdom is being fought. Craig Keener has a two volume set on real miracles happening in the world today, he also have several youtube lectures describing documented healings from his book. I haven't read the book but have watched a ton of his youtube presentations.
 
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Hey all,

My Cousin and I recently watched a video of a man get healed of his injuries on the spot, presumably an Atheist, and later had a normal Bible related discussion in which she threw a question at me that I did not know how to answer properly.


She asked - "Why is God more present in some people's lives more than others? This man had his injuries healed on the spot when someone prayed over him and that was evidence of God's presence, whereas many Christians out there have never seen that level of power or confirmation from God before. The same applies to some Christians who hear from God constantly, whereas many others do not." This was not her exact wording, but it went something like that.

This really got me thinking about a similar scenario in which a man who had abused drugs almost to the point of death, shouted out Jesus' name and his life was transformed right there and then when he heard Jesus respond loud and clear. But many Christians out there who earnestly pray for something never seem to get a response... I've seen countless threads on here of people saying that their prayers remain unanswered, while many more claim God is healing, guiding, and talking to them daily. So, what's the difference? Does God favour some over others?

I'm aware the level of your faith has something to do with it, and what you pray for can also determine whether God responds or not, but how does that work with an Atheist who has no faith, and a devoted Christian who does? Many of their prayers are genuine and selfless, like healing, guidance, change of heart/situation, protection etc...

Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.

Thank you!
The bottom line is that we can't predict or control what God will do, but we can do all kinds of things to improve our relationship with him which wins his favor—first and foremost is being obedient to him. But we need to strive to behave like his child regardless of what we think we need (Matthew 6:8) even though we should persist in praying for what we need and want. This is what brings the greatest long-term blessings to us.

But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. (James 4:6-8, 1984 NIV)

Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. (Luke 2:51-52, 1984 NIV)

Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. (Malachi 3:10, 1984 NIV)

Regarding the atheist, God does as he pleases and there are nothing about an atheist that can stop him. The guy in John 5:6-9 didn't know who Jesus was and didn't even ask to be healed, but he did want to be healed.
 
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Doesn't a devout Christian trust daily, too? What is the difference then?
Do you know any example where a person was healed by Jesus' faith alone? I think of the woman in Mark 5:27-30 who was healed on account of her faith without Jesus' command or foreknowledge. Consider Hebrews 11:6.
 
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Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.
Thank you!

Good question. Here are some thoughts about it.

If God always did things the same way each time we did something or asked for something, we'd start to rely on our method rather than on God. If someone was always healed when we prayed a particular way, we'd start to pray that way in order to get something from God. It is that very unpredictability that often confuses and frustrates us that forces us to rely on God Himself and not on finding the right method or a particular way of doing things to get results.

There are many things in many people's lives that need God's healing and deliverance. Sometimes those that are most obvious to us are not the point God starts at. Sometimes there are things that need to happen first in order to prepare for the next thing. We want to see step 10 and skip steps 1 through 9. We start praying for step 10 and get frustrated when God keeps trying to push us to move toward step 1.

Our Christian walk is ultimately about growing spiritually and knowing God more and more. Growing spiritually comes from us abiding in Christ and being transformed. Often we rely on our own efforts to try to improve ourselves and change ourselves, rather than walking with God and being changed. For example, we want our faith to grow, so we take efforts to try to believe harder and eliminate our doubts. We'll pray "God increase our faith!" We might read books on apologetics to reduce doubts, and go to a retreat or seminar on growing our faith. However, faith (which is really trust and confidence in God Himself) is something that grows over months and years and decades as we simply see what He does in our lives and others' lives over that time. It's not our sincere efforts that reduce doubt. It's God doing things and our simply trusting more and more over time that increases our faith. Many of those things we want to see in our lives are fruit of the Spirit (which is something that naturally grows as we mature), not aims or goals to be accomplished. Often the differences I see in Christians lives are mostly related to the amount of spiritual growth that is occurring. It's not that I see some Christians primarily as less mature or more mature, but rather at different points along this journey of walking with God with different progress being made on different things.

I've been a Christian for over 40 years now. One of the things I've observed in my life (whether right or wrong, I don't know), I just simply ask for a lot less things now than I used to. I spend more time trying to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing or more to the point what God is doing and trust God to take care of things. I'm trying to figure out if this is a good thing or I am taking too many things for granted and missing some things, but it's an observation I've made. My request type prayers also tend to be a lot simpler and shorter than they used to be. I used to view getting answers to prayer as about being persistent and full of faith. I now view it mostly as figuring out where God is going and following along. And to repeat, this last paragraph reflects something I've been meditating on so it's a work in progress.

Our walk with God consists of events and processes. Our focus is often on the events, the more the better. :) However, much of our growth takes place in the day to day process of living and growing which often is how God prepares us and sets up the events.
 
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Hey all,

My Cousin and I recently watched a video of a man get healed of his injuries on the spot, presumably an Atheist, and later had a normal Bible related discussion in which she threw a question at me that I did not know how to answer properly.

She asked - "Why is God more present in some people's lives more than others? This man had his injuries healed on the spot when someone prayed over him and that was evidence of God's presence, whereas many Christians out there have never seen that level of power or confirmation from God before. The same applies to some Christians who hear from God constantly, whereas many others do not." This was not her exact wording, but it went something like that.

This really got me thinking about a similar scenario in which a man who had abused drugs almost to the point of death, shouted out Jesus' name and his life was transformed right there and then when he heard Jesus respond loud and clear. But many Christians out there who earnestly pray for something never seem to get a response... I've seen countless threads on here of people saying that their prayers remain unanswered, while many more claim God is healing, guiding, and talking to them daily. So, what's the difference? Does God favour some over others?

I'm aware the level of your faith has something to do with it, and what you pray for can also determine whether God responds or not, but how does that work with an Atheist who has no faith, and a devoted Christian who does? Many of their prayers are genuine and selfless, like healing, guidance, change of heart/situation, protection etc...

Please keep in mind I am not in any way doubting my faith. I am simply questioning how it works so I can be prepared the next time someone asks me a similar question.

Thank you!
Those are good questions. As to the man who was an atheist that got healed it was their faith, not his, that got him healed.

As for the drug addict that called out from his heart, well he was acting out of his desperation and his prayer was no doubt right from his depths and very sincere. It seems to me that once we Christians get saved, we too often get kind of relaxed and casual. That doesn't cause miracles, but leads away from them!

The whole topic of why some people get healed, and why some do not, is one I have been studying. It is very simpler and very difficult. It is simple because all you have to do is truly believe. It is difficult because, as Messiah said, of the hardness of our hearts. Yes, Christian can have heard hearts in many ways.

Also, in Churches people are extremely rarely ever hearing about healing and don't even know it is available to them. I personally have found searching on the net to be the place to go to learn the truth. Of course the Bible is the ultimate source. But Christians - and I have certainly been guilty of this - tend to listen to preachers and commentators instead of going directly to the Word and asking the Holy Spirit for guidance. Yet if we have preachers who truly stick to the Word, and we know it well ourselves, they can be way enlightening.

My favorite teachers on healing are Art Thomas, especially his vid 10 Things Jesus Never Said About Healing and Win Worley, now deceased, who was way overweight when he died, and seems like a good ol' boy type, but boy does he enlighten on the Scriptures.

Here are some examples of what happens when people "get it" about healing.

A new book called Physicians' Untold Stories lists many doctors' reports about divine intervention they have seen in their practice. In one case a woman who had not walked for years, and who was on her death bed from multiple sclerosis. was prayed over. Suddenly the Almighty told her to "Get up and walk." That she did, with the sudden appearance of new muscles in her legs. She is now leading a completely normal, healthy, life.

Now in the Bible we are told of a Man Who believed in Adam and Eve and Noah as being actual, historical figures. The Bible says He did miracles and raised the dead and healed the sick. He multiplied food out of nothing. He said we could do even greater things than He did. The Bible also describes His death and burial. Is there any actual scientific data to support those stories?

See secular news reports about Val Thomas, dead for 17 hours but now alive and normal after prayers from her family and her Church.
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See Medical Marvel Beyond Chance, from a secular source, with a pediatrician giving his report. this one attesting to a dying child's healing which cannot be explained by modern medicine, and came after a relative laid hands on her and prayed for her.
The DNA in every cell in her body was changed.

See CBN's short vid with Dean Braxton. You'll hear his critical care doctor, rated the best patient care doctor in Washington state, saying "It is a miracle...a miracle..." that Braxton is alive, has no brain damage and is normal in every way. Why? He had no heart beat and no respiration for 1 3/4 hours! His family believed in divine healing and they and others were praying for him.
. Also see CBN Dr. Chauncey Crandall Raises A Man From The Dead.
Part 1. This video is a bit faded but has the most complete information on this story.

Get Dr. Richard Casdorph's book The Miracles. There he gives medical documentation for miracles, mostly, but not all, from Kathryn Kuhlman's healing services. Casdorph came to Kuhlman's meetings to debunk her but turned into a supporter, as did other doctors. You can see him and other doctors in some of her healing services on YT. (She is now deceased.) Delores Winder is one of the cases documented in his book. You can watch her amazing story on YT with Sid Roth.

The book The Audacity of Prayer by Don Nordin lists medically documented miracles.

On Andrew Wommack's vids you can see doctors talking about "miracles" too. At the end of the book Don't Limit God you see a medical statement by a doctor saying that his patient used to have M.S. and diabetes but is now cured.

Bruce Van Natta was in a horrific accident where he lost about 80% of his small intestine. Someone he didn't even know was told to get on a plane and lay hands on him and pray for him. His small intestines grew back competely and you can see his doctors testifying to that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYwFqeHBA28&t=5036s

Here we see many witnesses reporting donated food being miraculously multiplied for people who lived in a dump in Juarez. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwsuYYIJ3Rg&t=7s

And btw do you think that Someone Who can raise the dead and heal people of deadly "incurable" diseases, Someone Who can make body parts and food out of nothing, Someone Who created time, space, matter, and energy - needed "evolution" to make life forms? No, He created them fully formed and fully functional in 6 days just as Genesis, a Book He always supported, tells you.

Then there is the Shroud of Turin. If you don't know, the Shroud is a blood stained linen burial shroud with the faint image of a crucified man on it. If you have heard that the Shroud was proven to be a Medieval fake based on carbon 14 testing, in the documentary Jesus And The Shroud of Turin you can see the very inventor of carbon 14 testing saying that the sample was invalid due to contamination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtDhvk_aw4

The vid demonstrates many miraculous features such as pollen from Jerusalem and faint images of flowers that are found only in the Jerusalem area during the spring, as at Passover when Messiah was crucified. With modern technology we also see that the Shroud has an x ray quality which reveals the bones and dentition of the Man on the Shroud.

In the 70s a NASA scientist noticed the Shroud's photographs had inexplicable, unique in the world, qualities. He got up a team of scientists, called STURP, to examine it in person in Italy. (No, the Shroud is not "just a Catholic thing" as the Vatican only came into stewardship of it fairly recently in history.) They used NASA, and other, high tech equipment with 100s of thousands of hours of research. Their findings are seen all over the net and were published in respected science journals.

The team was composed of 3 Jews, at least one agnostic and one atheist, and people of various faiths. They all agreed on these things: The Shroud image was not painted on, and they have no clue how it got there. It exactly matches, down to blood stains where a crown of thorns would be, the description of Messiah's death and burial as given in the Bible. The image could not be duplicated with modern technology.

About the Shroud I say "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, maybe it's a duck."
 
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I have seen some really on fire from day one after being born again.

While with others the flame seems to start slowly.

The main thing is that one does not desire to return to their old self.

That just may be a false conversion?

In our hearts we desire to finish the good race with the help of God.

The sanctification process can be a slow long rough one.

M-Bob
 
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