Is it Godly to demand rights as a tither?

drich0150 said:

God demands all of it. you in the NT are not allowed to keep anything for yourself. You bring all to god with an open hand and allow him to take what he wants or put into your hand what he is asking you to care for.

You are a steward of God's money. nothing you have is yours. or that is the way it is supposed to be. So then how are we in a position to demand anything?

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I look at it differently. Whatever I may have God has given it to me. The question is, what am I going to do with the gifts God has given me?

curious mike said:

The way I see it, tithing is something we should want to do and not something we should do to get something in return. Looking at this article here:

http://blog.kcm.org/3-tithers-rights-every-christian-know/

that article is suggesting to me that we can demand rights as tither. I am not sure if should "demand" anything from God?

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No this is a wicked heresy.

curious mike said:

To put another twist or view on this, one other article I had read mentioned when we tithe we store up financial blessings which we can call on whenever needed, what's your take on this guys?

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Here is the thing. As people, we try to develop systems in order to be able to predict outcomes based on actions. This can be a good thing. However, we have a tendency to try to turn everything into a system as a means to control outcomes. We can't control God. Some things work for some people, but that doesn't mean it will work for you. The problem is that people end up obsessing over or only focusing on that system. The system becomes what's most important to them. Most of these systems have good information to consider as you add to your greater understanding. Just don't get hooked on them.

This is all IMHO of course.

curious mike said:

To put another twist or view on this, one other article I had read mentioned when we tithe we store up financial blessings which we can call on whenever needed, what's your take on this guys?

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Just another version of "God-As-Slot-Machine".

curious mike said:

The way I see it, tithing is something we should want to do and not something we should do to get something in return. Looking at this article here:

http://blog.kcm.org/3-tithers-rights-every-christian-know/

that article is suggesting to me that we can demand rights as tither. I am not sure if should "demand" anything from God?

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First thing I saw on the website was "Kenneth Copeland Ministries". He is a false teacher, preaching the health, wealth and prosperity false gospel. Mr. Copeland does not know scripture, but only how to twist scripture to promote his perverse views. Following Mr. Copeland's logic, believers in Jesus Christ who are being tortured to death in North Korea and in other third world countries must not be tithing enough or demanding their rights before God.

The Believer in Jesus Christ has no "rights" before the holy God. We deserve nothing from God but His perfect, holy and righteous wrath. Yet God gives us His grace through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Moreover, we surrendered all of our rights at the cross of Jesus Christ.

You don’t tithe on the value of your wealth (existing holdings or assets) - you tithe on increase - the profit.... The presumption there is that God already provided you the increase over what you put in.... You are giving a portion of that increase back to God...

So why would you have any standing to make a claim for any additional benefit on top of what you already received?

So for example - say you planted 10 bushels of wheat out. Additionally you have the expense of the planters, reapers, and field hands doing ongoing maintenance. You reap 160 bushels out. So you got 150 bushels over what you planted. Now take out the money you had to spend on help, fertilizer, and whatnot - say that ate up 120 bushels worth of money....

So your “profit” was 30 bushels of wheat. You tithe on that increase... so 3 bushels goes back to The Lord.

Over and above that is “Offering” not tithe....

And while you have no standing to make claim against God for tithing the increase - in practice churches provide benefit and recognition to the people who do....

And in my own life - I have witnessed that God does provide benefit when we do give tithe and offerings....

Let’s face it - the gift of God may be free - but the church electric bill is not....

Albion said:

Yes, the Orthodox Eastern churches, like the Roman Catholic and Anglican churches and others do ask for money.

However, they do not insist upon a tithe, which is very specifically defined and comes with threats about the members disobeying God if they do not come across with a set percentage, etc.

Somehow, the original churches are managing at least as well as the ones that preach tithing.

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Do they ask for a percentage of income when they ask? Or do they just ask to give what you desire to give....placing no extra pressure to give more on those who they believe make more?

Hank77 said:

We have three churches in our very little town. Only one believes in OT tithing and they and are the poorest. The other two churches do just fine and they provide housing for their pastors, one of them, the Community Church, which is non-denominational, puts out a monthly news letter that goes to all the mail box holders in town and the surrounding area. They do a lot of charity work in the area as well as in foreign countries. People give because they care.

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Makes since......in a small town with competitors, you best go with the doctrines that will draw the most people. I do not think that the churches giving the most truth will appear to be the largest or most prosperous. I happen to see no wrong in the church that believe in OT monetary tithes or those that do not....as neither of them are trying to harm people, and both are doing what they feel right......in most cases.

Tithe-ing

Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.

The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).

https://www.gotquestions.org/tithing-Christian.html

https://www.christianbook.com/persp...tt=449778&item_code=&Ntk=keywords&event=ESRCP

Mark 12 (NASB)...The Widow’s Mite
41 And He sat down opposite the (church?) treasury, and began observing how the people were putting money into the treasury;
and many rich people were putting in large sums.
42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amount to a cent (penny).
43 Calling His disciples to Him, He said to them,
“Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury;
44 for they all put in out of their surplus,
but she, out of her poverty, put in all she owned, all she had to live on.”

Give until it is truly sacrificial!

curious mike said:

The way I see it, tithing is something we should want to do and not something we should do to get something in return. Looking at this article here:

http://blog.kcm.org/3-tithers-rights-every-christian-know/

that article is suggesting to me that we can demand rights as tither. I am not sure if should "demand" anything from God?

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You are not under obligation to tithe as that is a false teaching. The NT always describes giving freely instead and with joy. The amount you choose (not obligated) to give - not tithe - is up to you.

curious mike said:

So what happens with people who have no money left after their monthly expenses [rent, food e.t.c] are accounted for?

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They actually may be the poor who need a little help. But money isn't the only gift that God gives for people to share. Maybe it's child care for a mom or dad while they clean or make repairs to the building. Maybe it's volunteering in a church ministry in the community, a soup kitchen, a store run by the church, a food bank, a women's shelter, a homeless shelter, etc.

Hank77 said:

I look at it differently. Whatever I may have God has given it to me. The question is, what am I going to do with the gifts God has given me?

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If the gift is yours... then explain the parable of the talents? According to Jesus' thoughts God invests in each of us looking for a return. This investment can take many form including money. for those whom are faithful more is given and to those who are not what they have is stripped away.

curious mike said:

To put another twist or view on this, one other article I had read mentioned when we tithe we store up financial blessings which we can call on whenever needed, what's your take on this guys?

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contextual Book Chapter and verse? if those four can not be provided it is not a biblical precept.

drich0150 said:

If the gift is yours... then explain the parable of the talents? According to Jesus' thoughts God invests in each of us looking for a return. This investment can take many form including money. for those whom are faithful more is given and to those who are not what they have is stripped away.

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Maybe you'd be happier with the word blessing rather than gift. The parable of the talents is perfect. The master blessed each one of them by giving them the opportunity to improve/enlarge that blessing. He only gave them what they were capable of increasing, what they could handle.
The talents are about service to God's kingdom. Whether that be in artist talents, parenting, money, even intelligence, etc. and especially to those who are entrusted to preach the Gospel.
The one hid his light under a basket.

curious mike said:

To put another twist or view on this, one other article I had read mentioned when we tithe we store up financial blessings which we can call on whenever needed, what's your take on this guys?

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What scripture actually says is this:

For I say not this that others may be eased and ye distressed; but by equality: your abundance being a supply at this present time for their want, that their abundance also may become a supply for your want; that there may be equality: as it is written, He that gathered much had nothing over; and he that gathered little had no lack. -- 2 Corinthians 8:13-15

We don't have our own little bank accounts that we save into so that we can draw it out later.

When we are fat, we give for the sake of those who are skinnny. When we are skinny, those who are fat give to us.

Not even going to read the posts here. Well when SOME brothers get named.. the body of Christ can be the most hurtful.

I will leave this at this.. I Like what one bother said.. say I lived in a cave.. never having any clothes but something wrapped around my waist. Now I have a jacket. And you.. well your not here. Tell me how to put it on.

Gods WORDS are alive. God can have you read ONE verse and NEVER see the same meaning again. We love to as MAN think we KNOW it all if we have read the bible so many times, studied it. But truth is SOME see things NOW that other can not in regards to ALL things in the word.

I dont follow KCM yet I have listen to them and I just dont agree with all they teach. But for ME in this area I give to God. Now some will stop there. Not knowing the PROMISES of God. There are over 7 THOUSANDS of them. As Issac was you are. "Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise." So WHO were the promises for? YOU all that believe.

I cant speak for ANYONE but I can find in HIS word where HE promises ME something when I give to Him. Do you SEEK Him diligently? He is a REWARDED of them that seek Him diligently. So when I give I give from a happy cheerful heart. What COMES after that is a blessing a promise. That God said.. if HE said it HE HAS to do it. So.. my thinking is NEVER EVER EVER ..oh if I give God will give me something! For ME this is wrong. Do you see or are you still trying to tell me how to put on the jacket?

I believe..its NEVER the amount but your heart. God will always BLESS you when you GIVE..its not always about MONEY. Like someone close by comes over and says.. wow.. never had a TV before.. you help them take your home with them. You then add.. is there ANY thing else you need? When you give He will keep His word.. it will return back to you OVER FLOWING! But you never gave because of that. If you did.. then that was the END of that. You gave and NOTHING will happen. Your HEART was in the wrong place. As I believe see it.. and if I am wrong in ANYTHING my Father has ever right to correct me lol. But so far.. HE ALWAYS has kept His word. He never fails.

Read His word like a child. Stop following what some MAN says. God is IN YOU.. Christ is IN YOU. Its not a saying.. HE IS IN YOU. So ASK HIM what HE meant by what HE said. Not what some pastor said as they read His word and then tell you what like here like I am doing what WE personally believe. WISE to ask but.. in the end you must work out your own salvation.

God will bless people and bless in abundance, but there is no guarantee that the blessings will be financial or in any sort of material way. Look at the apostles. You didn't see them walking around dripping with money and living in elaborate mansions, and these were some of the most devout followers Jesus had.