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No. I'm sorry, but no. It is not the case that if someone is suspicious that their spouse is cheating, it is because they are cheating themselves. That's crazy, that's telling someone not to pay attention to warning signs or God-given discernment because it must mean they are guilty themselves. No one, neither spouse, should be cursing their spouse out, making nasty and sarcastic comments, leaving them behind at a restaurant (!!), and other things that have been said here. There's no excuse for that, and it's not fair to gaslight this woman into thinking it's all her fault when she is seeing signs that something has changed, and something is wrong.
 
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No. I'm sorry, but no. It is not the case that if someone is suspicious that their spouse is cheating, it is because they are cheating themselves. That's crazy, that's telling someone not to pay attention to warning signs or God-given discernment because it must mean they are guilty themselves. No one, neither spouse, should be cursing their spouse out, making nasty and sarcastic comments, leaving them behind at a restaurant (!!), and other things that have been said here. There's no excuse for that, and it's not fair to gaslight this woman into thinking it's all her fault when she is seeing signs that something has changed, and something is wrong.

its not crazy, and I'm not seeing all these warning signs either. 30 minutes early to work? taking a day off and having a secretary call to find out why?

Losing one's temper because she's following him to the bathroom worried he might be talking to someone I think would be par for the course.

If my husband started following me to the bathroom and making accusations of me cheating Id lose my temper too...

No one can control another person's behavior, but they can sure control theirs.

Does a spouse cheat sometimes? yes.. it happens and sometimes it happens for no good reason.

But most women? most women have zero self confidence and they drive their spouse away because of it.

My husband is a manager up at his work, and some of these young men are getting constant texts from their wives instead of just being left alone to work. It's made more than one young man lose his job.

There is such a thing as misguided jealousy.. and yes, psychological projection is very real.

So no, I don't know the entire situation but I'd say the second a wife won't let her husband use the restroom in peace the problem in the marriage might be partly her fault, and until that gets corrected nothing can be corrected.
 
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You're focusing on what fits your narrative. You're ignoring that he left her at a restaurant. That he cusses her out. That his demeanor toward her has changed *which is what has caused her to be suspicious* not the other way around. That he ignores her, yells at her, and demeans her. That when she points these things out to him, he tells her it's her fault, taking no responsibility for his own actions and words. He blamed HER for him leaving her at a restaurant. He's had similar situations in the past, flirtations, inappropriate content use, etc. She tries to apologize and he yells at her and cusses at her before she can get the words out. He goes out of his way to send nasty texts and videos to cuss at her and demean her. She said he's got a history of being very cruel to her.

This is not the behavior of a man who a) deserves the benefit of the doubt, and b) deserves for his wife to just stand by and take it.

The bottom line, regardless of whether or not he is cheating, regardless of whether or not she has low self-esteem, is that SHE IS NOT HAPPY being treated this way. I can't see many people who would be. Her best bet, as I said earlier, is to forget about whether or not he's cheating because it doesn't matter, and focus on what she's going to do about the fact that she's not happy with her husband talking to her and behaving with her in this way. She needs to get into some counseling so someone unbiased can help her figure out where to go from here. He should be invited to participate in that process, and if he does then props to him, but if he responds like he has been by telling her it's all her imagination and he has no responsibility for any of it, then I think she'll already have received a big answer to her questions about his character.
 
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You're focusing on what fits your narrative. You're ignoring that he left her at a restaurant. That he cusses her out. That his demeanor toward her has changed *which is what has caused her to be suspicious* not the other way around. That he ignores her, yells at her, and demeans her. That when she points these things out to him, he tells her it's her fault, taking no responsibility for his own actions and words. He blamed HER for him leaving her at a restaurant. He's had similar situations in the past, flirtations, inappropriate content use, etc. She tries to apologize and he yells at her and cusses at her before she can get the words out. He goes out of his way to send nasty texts and videos to cuss at her and demean her. She said he's got a history of being very cruel to her.

This is not the behavior of a man who a) deserves the benefit of the doubt, and b) deserves for his wife to just stand by and take it.

The bottom line, regardless of whether or not he is cheating, regardless of whether or not she has low self-esteem, is that SHE IS NOT HAPPY being treated this way. I can't see many people who would be. Her best bet, as I said earlier, is to forget about whether or not he's cheating because it doesn't matter, and focus on what she's going to do about the fact that she's not happy with her husband talking to her and behaving with her in this way. She needs to get into some counseling so someone unbiased can help her figure out where to go from here. He should be invited to participate in that process, and if he does then props to him, but if he responds like he has been by telling her it's all her imagination and he has no responsibility for any of it, then I think she'll already have received a big answer to her questions about his character.

what i see in all this is that she is a terribly controlling and insanely jealous wife and hes practically gnawing off his own arm to get away from her..

so I guess we will have to agree to disagree on our take on that.

I do agree she should get counseling ..
 
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there must be a reason he's going to work so early
has there been a mgmt change or is his job in jeopardy?

often there is so much pressure at work

there were changes going on where my husband worked and he didn't tell me for 3 years
it was very stressful (for him) but he kept it to himself

have you asked him about his job?
 
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You must be young still.

1. Don't shut down a topic with a man??!!!!
LOL That's what they do best!

2. A guy yells at you.... I'D shut down the conversation!

3. Won't tolerate the treatment? If this is how HE IS, you might as well divorce him right now...! He ain't a changin'.

4. Escalate things.... What does that mean?
How do you escalate? Are you in a war?
LOL

Sorry. I just needed a laugh.
Thanks for obliging me.
10/10 on your reading comprehension skills.

Thank you for that dose of God's grace you've shown today. Always humbling to see Jesus in the way you treat others.
 
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You walked out on him TWICE over the course of one meal? How long does it take to eat out at a restaurant? An hour, maybe? It may not seem like a long time to you when you're smoking, but as the one not smoking, I assure you it takes forever for someone to burn through one of those things.

Smoking takes forever and waiting on a smoker to finish their "quick smoke break" (15 minutes) is boring. Did you ask him if he minded you disappearing for 15 minutes? Did he seem annoyed when you announced you were going to do it again at the same meal? If not, it sounds like he was just returning the favor. Passive-aggressive maybe, but come on, that was rude.

Wear a patch if you can't sit through a whole dinner without a nicotine fix. I bet he feels the same way about you as you feel about him!
 
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You walked out on him TWICE over the course of one meal? How long does it take to eat out at a restaurant? An hour, maybe? It may not seem like a long time to you when you're smoking, but as the one not smoking, I assure you it takes forever for someone to burn through one of those things.

Smoking takes forever and waiting on a smoker to finish their "quick smoke break" (15 minutes) is boring. Did you ask him if he minded you disappearing for 15 minutes? Did he seem annoyed when you announced you were going to do it again at the same meal? If not, it sounds like he was just returning the favor. Passive-aggressive maybe, but come on, that was rude.

Wear a patch if you can't sit through a whole dinner without a nicotine fix. I bet he feels the same way about you as you feel about him!

there is a lot of behavior on her part that is very concerning. This restaurant is one, it is rude. I used to smoke and have never left a restaurant to smoke in the middle of dinner, not even once let alone twice in one meal.

Couple that with the fact she spies on him when he uses the restroom or otherwise doesnt trust him to use the restroom by himself.

couple that with she freaks out about his wanting to arrive at work 30 minutes early (something I used to do with regularity, in some positions arriving early is necessary)

couple that with some indication here that she is driving up to his work and sitting in the parking lot to spy on him:

I've seen women put stuff on his vehicle at work


The fact he is changing jobs frequently connected with what she is saying of her behavior gives the appearance that even his going through jobs might be due to her own behavior and jealousy affecting his workplace - every where he goes.

Whether or not that part is true or not at this point I'm not sure matters so much as it's VERY clear he is finished has very nearly stopped caring at all; he's ready to blow and everything she is doing at this point is the wrong thing if you want to keep your marriage.

Her marriage is in such peril she needs a wake up call, because if some drastic changes aren't made fast this is going no where good and doing so in a hurry...

My thoughts only.
 
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