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But are spirits eternal beings? If God creates spirits, God can destroy spirits.
God is called "God of the spirits of all flesh" in Numbers 16 and 27
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Is an angel a spirit?
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God is called "God of the spirits of all flesh" in Numbers 16 and 27
The Scripture speaks about the creation of angels. Therefore, it is clear that they have not existed from all eternity. The time of their creation is never definitely specified, but it is most probable that it occurred in connection with the creation of the heavens in Genesis 1:1. It may be that God created the angels immediately after He had created the heavens and before He created the Earth—for according to Job 38:4-7, “the sons of God shouted for joy” when He laid the foundations of the Earth.
There is no mention of the creation of the spirit. Man had God's breath in him, and without it he would die. Evil spirits can dwell within man but it will probably kill him.
There is no mention of the creation of the spirit. Man had God's breath in him, and without it he would die. Evil spirits can dwell within man but it will probably kill him.
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As Christians we basically believe in 2 realities or realms, that being the spiritual realm and the physical or material realm.
The 'spiritual' realm is where all supernatural creatures/beings live or originate from, even if they don't reside there anymore.
The physical or material realm is where we live and our physical universe. It is the realm of matter, where matter is comprised of atoms, which are protons, neutrons. electrons etc.
Now we call our realm , or dimension, the physical realm because to us the spiritual realm is not something we can sense.
However it could be that the spiritual realm is the real physical realm and we are a less real realm than that, a lesser realm, maybe even a virtual realm is some sense.
It is highly probable that the spiritual realm has its own version of matter and things are or can be physical there using its version of matter. Presumably our new 'spiritual' or resurrected bodies will be made of that type of matter.
It certainly appears that spiritual matter can interact with our realm and type of matter but not the other way around, ie resurrected Jesus eating our food etc.
In short, angels most probably do have a body that is physical in their dimension or realm and made of spiritual realm matter.
The 'spiritual' realm is where all supernatural creatures/beings live or originate from, even if they don't reside there anymore.
The physical or material realm is where we live and our physical universe. It is the realm of matter, where matter is comprised of atoms, which are protons, neutrons. electrons etc.
Now we call our realm , or dimension, the physical realm because to us the spiritual realm is not something we can sense.
However it could be that the spiritual realm is the real physical realm and we are a less real realm than that, a lesser realm, maybe even a virtual realm is some sense.
It is highly probable that the spiritual realm has its own version of matter and things are or can be physical there using its version of matter. Presumably our new 'spiritual' or resurrected bodies will be made of that type of matter.
It certainly appears that spiritual matter can interact with our realm and type of matter but not the other way around, ie resurrected Jesus eating our food etc.
In short, angels most probably do have a body that is physical in their dimension or realm and made of spiritual realm matter.
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They are all spirits and reside in the spirit world although there are some who can manifest themselves (as humans) on earth although we're not told how they do this, just that they can.
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We can SENSE the spiritual realm. As you say, it may be the most real world of all. We just can't see it.
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Yes, because the propellant pushes the rocket away from itself. In the opposite direction, that is.
Wings do not operate that way but propel the body of the bird, etc. forward along with its wings, which function by moving air (if there were some, which in outer space or in the world of spirits there is none).
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Angels would most likely not be subject to the forces we are, ie gravity etc. I would imagine that they can survive perfectly well in space and probably take their holidays on the moons of Jupiter and other exotic locales throughout our universe amongst other heavenly destinations.
Giving then wings was just a misguided attempt to explain that they fly, except they probably don't fly or need to. They just appear where they need to be and disappear again when done, Whilst appearing, they cam move about by walking or just levitating as their bodies would unlikely be affected by gravity, or it could even be something they can switch on or off at will.
Giving then wings was just a misguided attempt to explain that they fly, except they probably don't fly or need to. They just appear where they need to be and disappear again when done, Whilst appearing, they cam move about by walking or just levitating as their bodies would unlikely be affected by gravity, or it could even be something they can switch on or off at will.
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There is plenty of evidence that angels have bodies. They are sometimes described as having wings, they are sometimes seen as having arms and legs, and so on.
Daniel saw an angel with arms and legs resembling polished metal and precious stones, and a face like lightning. Daniel 10:5-6
That doesn't mean they are necessarily composed of materials found in this dimension, in fact, it's pretty certain they are not. But, they must be able to become solid here, or else it would be pretty hard for them to appear as men. Also there is a verse that seems to indicate that angels eat.
Psalms 78:24-25
Now, I might be splitting hairs, as angels are generally described as spirit beings, but taking all of the scriptural evidence, it would seem they have bodies that are generally immaterial (in this dimension) but can become solid.
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The wings are probably symbolic to something God is trying to reveal to whoever is having a vision at any given time. It doesn't necessarily mean that angels have wings in their natural form (or non-form).
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Well no, none of our 5 senses can perceive the spiritual world. Getting a warm fuzzy feeling when praying etc is not us sensing the spiritual realm. For us to sense it, it or something/someone from it must manifest itself/themselves just enough for us to sense in some way otherwise we have no chance.
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You are describing the ways that people have perceived them, or how they have made themselves appear for our benefit, not what they actually are!
It is somewhat like ghosts, assuming that ghosts are real. No one thinks that ghosts have physical bodies although many people report having seen them looking like humans.
Just as I was saying above.
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We can. It's a 6th sense which we may not be aware of which we get when we've been born again and are then able to tap in to.
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I see reason no believe that angels would conceal their real appearances, except in cases where they appeared as humans, so I'll go with the Biblical descriptions. Fallen angels no doubt, do often, maybe always in this world, appear as something they are not.
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