#walkaway

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

ubicaritas said:
I wouldn't characterize Sweden being predominantly atheistic, even if religious participation there is at historic lows. There is a lack of appreciation for distinctives within the Lutheran ethos that contribute to a lack of religious enthusiasm, perhaps (for good and bad), but the majority of people in Sweden continue to baptize their children in the Church, marry in the Church, and to request Christian burials. For a Lutheran, those typically are a bigger deal in measuring religious belonging.

In addition, Lutherans tend to be more private about their faith, especially in Europe. If you try to grill people about their beliefs, they tend to try to give the least controversial answers possible. Not because they have no beliefs but because they do not wish to be seen as divisive.

I fully agree that it is short-sighted to say Christian values have contributed nothing to the world. While I think religion is very much a mixed bag, it would be a mistake to see no value to anyone in it. That's very insulting to the many people that do find meaning in identifying with or belonging to a Christian religious tradition, to say nothing of discounting the contributions of Christians to western and global civilization.

I didn't make those assertions....Ana did.

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

KCfromNC said:
If that's true it must have gone down among other groups since his approval rating has been pretty steady for months now.

Everything that comes your way you just keep dismissing it, even including Summer Madness here who is telling you what's happening among his friends. Hey, that's cool, it works for us, as I have said.

KCfromNC · Jul 16, 2018

Liza B. said:
Everything that comes your way you just keep dismissing it

Weird how pointing to actual polling data rather than uncritically accepting random unverified stories on the internet is "dismissing" something.

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

KCfromNC said:
Weird how pointing to actual polling data rather than uncritically accepting random unverified stories on the internet is "dismissing" something.

Polling data in one state, for one election.

SummerMadness · Jul 16, 2018

I think the only thing this "movement" shows is how detached the people that think it's real are from black people.

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

KCfromNC said:
Weird how pointing to actual polling data rather than uncritically accepting random unverified stories on the internet is "dismissing" something.

I want to apologize to you. Summer Madness was not telling the truth. He will not doubt celebrate because he "punked" me.

I know that this is what I experienced in Leftism. The subterfuge, the willingness to do this. It's part of why I walked away.

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

SummerMadness said:
I think the only thing this "movement" shows is how detached the people that think it's real are from black people.

Do not think that you are like the black people I know. Excuse me. The black people I know are not like you.

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

LostMarbels said:
Thanks. I appreciate your effort to keep pushing it at least.

We've been Alinsky'd. You'll see. I personally think it's rule number 6 in play: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy". It's just misrepresenting, since it's against the rules to say outright what has gone on, even though the poster admitted it.

SummerMadness · Jul 16, 2018

The #WalkAway movement is astroturfing to the extreme. You'll notice that this "movement" primarily appears on conservative websites; it also gives you a clue of who is so deep into the right-wing echo chamber, that they are willing to believe anything (Project Veritas anyone?).

But what really stands out is the fact that one could make up any nonsense about black people that "walk away" and it is believed because the people that follow this news have no real connection to the black community. The #WalkAway movement is a fantasy of how the right-wing hopes black people would act. I would argue it reveals something a little more sinister, they think this movement is real because the videos are mostly people of color, that's the real reason it gained any traction in the right-wing blogosphere: if they're black people and they say they like Republicans, then it must be real. And I think that's the sad part about all this, we have such a balkanized political landscape that someone could invent this movement and these people will argue that is real without actually witnessing it themselves.

The #MeToo movement is real, I know, because I've seen women give their stories and personal accounts, both online on social media and in real life. And that's sinister point #2, these conservatives probably think the #MeToo movement is fake and only became something because it went viral. They think they can engineer a movement that gets black people to leave the Democratic Party, but they're missing one big factor: the movement is not real, therefore, it can't go viral. And sinister point #3, they think black people are so stupid that they'll simply join a viral wave.

Snappy1 · Jul 16, 2018

Liza B. said:
I want to apologize to you. Summer Madness was not telling the truth. He will not doubt celebrate because he "punked" me.

I know that this is what I experienced in Leftism. The subterfuge, the willingness to do this. It's part of why I walked away.

Hilarious

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

Snappy1 said:
Hilarious

Yes, falsehoods are, aren't they? Especially given the religious identification.

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

SummerMadness said:
The #WalkAway movement is astroturfing to the extreme. You'll notice that this "movement" primarily appears on conservative websites; it also gives you a clue of who is so deep into the right-wing echo chamber, that they are willing to believe anything (Project Veritas anyone?).

But what really stands out is the fact that one could make up any nonsense about black people that "walk away" and it is believed because the people that follow this news have no real connection to the black community. The #WalkAway movement is a fantasy of how the right-wing hopes black people would act. I would argue it reveals something a little more sinister, they think this movement is real because the videos are mostly people of color, that's the real reason it gained any traction in the right-wing blogosphere: if they're black people and they say they like Republicans, then it must be real. And I think that's the sad part about all this, we have such a balkanized political landscape that someone could invent this movement and these people will argue that is real without actually witnessing it themselves.

The #MeToo movement is real, I know, because I've seen women give their stories and personal accounts, both online on social media and in real life. And that's sinister point #2, these conservatives probably think the #MeToo movement is fake and only became something because it went viral. They think they can engineer a movement that gets black people to leave the Democratic Party, but they're missing one big factor: the movement is not real, therefore, it can't go viral. And sinister point #3, they think black people are so stupid that they'll simply join a viral wave.

You're not going to believe a word I say until the midterms, and I certainly will never again believe a word you say--with good reason, now. So let's just see how that black vote comes out, shall we? Then we will see what is what.

Snappy1 · Jul 16, 2018

Liza B. said:
Yes, falsehoods are, aren't they? Especially given the religious identification.

You falling for the obvious gimmick is very funny.

Liza B. · Jul 16, 2018

Snappy1 said:
You falling for the obvious gimmick is very funny.

Why should it be a gimmick? Because the economy has done so well under the Democrats? Because they have so much to offer minorities?

Snappy1 · Jul 16, 2018

Liza B. said:
Why should it be a gimmick? Because the economy has done so well under the Democrats? Because they have so much to offer minorities?

It was a pretty obvious parody.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 16, 2018

SummerMadness said:
I think the only thing this "movement" shows is how detached the people that think it's real are from black people.

Do you realize what you've done, Summer?

How will we ever regain Liza's trust?!

SummerMadness · Jul 16, 2018

GoldenBoy89 said:
Do you realize what you've done, Summer?

How will we ever regain Liza's trust?!

You really have to trust my words, I was joking about joking about the #WalkAway movement! All my black friends that have walked away are crying because black unemployment is the lowest it's ever been. They're crying tears of joy! They say to ignore the fact that they are still twice as likely to be unemployed. Ignore the fact that if white unemployment is 3% and black is at 6%, we should be thankful that it's not 7% because we're all just lazy folks on the plantation. I tried to talk to my friends, but they couldn't hear me because they were whimpering so loudly.

LostMarbels · Jul 16, 2018

Liza B. said:
We've been Alinsky'd. You'll see. I personally think it's rule number 6 in play: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy". It's just misrepresenting, since it's against the rules to say outright what has gone on, even though the poster admitted it.

Sorry Liza I thought you already knew that. I think his handlers got to him and made him change his tune. But I always new this movement he was pushing was fake. I think it is funny actualy.

LostMarbels said:
Uhhuh.... How abouts we help a bit seeings that we cant trust our future to any movement in of itself. Including #walkaway.

We need to remain active, vigilant, and unmoved in purpose. If they want to jump aboard they're welcome, but I hardly imagine were foolhardy enough to trust others to vote for us.

SummerMadness · Jul 16, 2018

LostMarbels said:
Sorry Liza I thought you already knew that. I think his handlers got to him and made him change his tune. But I always new this movement he was pushing was fake. I think it is funny actualy.

I wish I had handlers, someone to handle my phone calls, someone to handle my meals (a personal chef please), someone to handle the scheduling of my dates (wading through a bunch of first dates can be cumbersome), oh and of course my handlers pulling the keyboard away from me because I don't want anyone to know the truth about the #WalkAway movement. Oh excuse me, I can't hear you, this black man is crying too loudly over the black unemployment rate.

LostMarbels · Jul 16, 2018

SummerMadness said:
I wish I had handlers, someone to handle my phone calls, someone to handle my meals (a personal chef please), someone to handle the scheduling of my dates (wading through a bunch of first dates can be cumbersome), oh and of course my handlers pulling the keyboard away from me because I don't want anyone to know the truth about the #WalkAway movement. Oh excuse me, I can't hear you, this black man is crying too loudly over the black unemployment rate.

I am a straight shooter and do not do to good with joking about joking or what have you. My mindset is either pro or against. Either on or off, and I state my stance. When you started to make comments about the movement, contrary to your previously stated position, I assumed it was all a sham. Now I am in a position of wondering if you are being controlled opposition or are for real. That's why I made the handler comment. Even if you are not in fact being handled you brought the thought to my mind, and no doubt it brings into question everything you stated.

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