But slavery was soooooo long ago?

This year 2018

Year slavery ended. 1865

153 years ago. Yup it’s still a long time ago.

Slavery as a world norm wasn't that long ago, and it still hasn't been eradicated (e.g., China, Libya, N Korea)

rambot said:

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Imagine being that old and still having children, pretty amazing.

συνείδησις said:

Slavery as a world norm wasn't that long ago, and it still hasn't been eradicated (e.g., China, Libya, N Korea)

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Don't fool yourself, debt and taxation are what enslaves most of the world today.

rambot said:

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What are you looking for in terms of replies? Is it about slavery, opinions about slavery, opinions about why some folks say it still affects them, is relevant today, etc.?

One thing I always look for first when I see a topic is the OP's opinion or questions on the topic. God bless.

EastCoastRemnant said:

Don't fool yourself, debt and taxation are what enslaves most of the world today.

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Sure I understand the concept, but many people choose to make themselves slaves of debt beyond things they can't control directly (like national debt). If you think you are a slave in the traditional sense, I dare you to exchange places with a slave in one of the countries I mentioned. All men are enslaved to a cursed world until they die. Some just have it easier than others.

hislegacy said:

This year 2018

Year slavery ended. 1865

153 years ago. Yup it’s still a long time ago.

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Thankful for Republican "honest Abe" it was one great step towards freedom in America, and led to other steps in the goal of ending one form of slavery, but others are right, there are other forms of slavery (human trafficking for instance), and other countries where it is still a greater problem, and countries where women are treated like slaves or worse. But maybe it's off topic and going down rabbit holes and out of context to go beyond human slavery in America as it relates to law.

IME, focusing on slavery often allows folks to ignore Jim Crow. I won't say Jim Crow was worse than slavery, but I suspect it should bear the blame for most of our present-day racial inequalities.

iluvatar5150 said:

IME, focusing on slavery often allows folks to ignore Jim Crow. I won't say Jim Crow was worse than slavery, but I suspect it should bear the blame for most of our present-day racial inequalities.

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Don't forget Johnson's Great Society that re-enslaved blacks on the Democrat plantation.

iluvatar5150 said:

IME, focusing on slavery often allows folks to ignore Jim Crow. I won't say Jim Crow was worse than slavery, but I suspect it should bear the blame for most of our present-day racial inequalities.

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Thank God the Republicans got rid of Jim Crow.

But the political enforcement of Jim Crow was entirely in Democratic hands. The Ku Klux Klan functioned as the paramilitary wing of the Democratic party, and it was used to drive Republicans out of the South after the Civil War.

hislegacy said:

Thank God the Republicans got rid of Jim Crow.

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Your knowledge of history appears to be lacking.

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

iluvatar5150 said:

Your knowledge of history appears to be lacking.

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

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Even that was 50+ years ago, mainly elderly people who can faintly remember segregation, the rioting and destruction in cities is probably more memorable.

There are about 36,000,000 in the world today. It is estimated that there about 60,000 slaves in the USA right now. Most of these are in the sex trade but it still occasionally crops up with field workers.

This Is What Slavery Looks Like in the 21st Century

Apologetic_Warrior said:

Even that was 50+ years ago, mainly elderly people who can faintly remember segregation, the rioting and destruction in cities is probably more memorable.

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Faintly remember? 50 years was not a long time ago. I'm in my mid 30s. My parents were in middle school in the mid 60s. I've been seeing folks ignoring segregation as long as I can remember (i.e. at least since the 90s).

And while segregation's official legal end was 50-ish years ago, 1.) in practice, many of the discriminatory activities didn't end so quickly and 2.) after having been in place for nearly a century, those policies set up many systemic problems that couldn't have been resolved immediately even if the discriminatory activities had been shut down immediately.

We spent nearly a century literally forcing blacks into poverty by denying them jobs, educations, loans, and the ability to buy homes and other property (especially in desirable areas). And we did this at a time when the white middle class was exploding precisely because they did have access to all of those things. Those problems took generations to create; they're going to take even longer to undo.

hislegacy said:

Thank God the Republicans got rid of Jim Crow.

But the political enforcement of Jim Crow was entirely in Democratic hands. The Ku Klux Klan functioned as the paramilitary wing of the Democratic party, and it was used to drive Republicans out of the South after the Civil War.

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Jim Crow is still here, it's just evolved.

Reparations! <lights fuse then runs away>

iluvatar5150 said:

Faintly remember? 50 years was not a long time ago. I'm in my mid 30s. My parents were in middle school in the mid 60s. I've been seeing folks ignoring segregation as long as I can remember (i.e. at least since the 90s).

And while segregation's official legal end was 50-ish years ago, 1.) in practice, many of the discriminatory activities didn't end so quickly and 2.) after having been in place for nearly a century, those policies set up many systemic problems that couldn't have been resolved immediately even if the discriminatory activities had been shut down immediately.

We spent nearly a century literally forcing blacks into poverty by denying them jobs, educations, loans, and the ability to buy homes and other property (especially in desirable areas). And we did this at a time when the white middle class was exploding precisely because they did have access to all of those things. Those problems took generations to create; they're going to take even longer to undo.

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I mostly agree, but what has the Democrat party actually done about it besides lip service? Wisdom is proved right by her actions. Although I recognize the need for it, in many instances people enslave themselves to government through programs like welfare. And there are all kinds of discriminating employers, many deny overweight people jobs because of the stereotype they are "fat and lazy" and not productive enough in their eyes. And impoverished people in general are denied education and eligibility for loans they probably are better off not being enslaved by. And impoverished people probably account for the greater populace with poor credit, which means denial for home loans and loans for property, so it's not all about skin color, it's a multi faceted problem.

hislegacy said:

This year 2018

Year slavery ended. 1865

153 years ago. Yup it’s still a long time ago.

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1) It's a long time to stand in line. But not such a long time in terms of attitudes and habits of thought.

2) It is a long time - which is why it's a shame and a sin that we haven't moved farther from it, largely maintaining its practices in our prison system.