God tells he will give the wife to neighbor and the son will die!

Godistruth1 said:

So where is it the fault of his wives?

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I didn't say it was. When people sin, innocent bystanders get hurt.

Godistruth1 said:

So you mean to say when one sins someone else gets punished ?

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God was the King of Israel. The people wanted a king like the other nations had. God had Samuel warn the people what a regular person type of king would be like, even as to how he would take their daughters and sons. The people still chose to have their own king like the rest of the world, so God let them be used and abused by those future kings.

Godistruth1 said:

So you mean to say when one sins someone else gets punished ?

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< shrugs > punished, OR , suffers

happens every day without exception

Godistruth1 said:

If humans do it that's understood. But God does it, that's something that will make people question God!

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GOOD!
Question HIM. People who do, seeking life and truth and hope and eternal life, are satisfied.

People who don't question HIM, who don't obey HIM, perish.

Godistruth1 said:

So you mean to say when one sins someone else gets punished ?

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Much like an "honor killing."

nothing at all similar to man's way of thinking or killing.

Godistruth1 said:

I did read. They were to sleep with their neighbor because of what David did!

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"Were to sleep"? You're reading it as though God is commanding the wife to sleep with the neighbor. That is wrong.

God is saying that the neighbor will come and forcibly take his wife, and God is going to allow it to happen.

So you mean to say when one sins someone else gets punished ?

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There's really only an issue if you are claiming that the wife is perfect and sinless. However, if the wife is a sinful human being, then God is well within His right to allow such a thing to happen to her.

Godistruth1 said:

What was the sin of his wives that they had to be forced by God to lie with the neighbor under the sun?

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You, a Muslim. are questioning how God judges? Have you not read where Muhammad had and entire Jewish settlement murdered? He sold the women and children as slaves! What was the crime of the women? What was the crime of the children?

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You, a Muslim. are questioning how God judges? Have you not read where Muhammad had and entire Jewish settlement murdered? He sold the women and children as slaves! What was the crime of the women? What was the crime of the children?

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lol... people doing terrible things, then blaming their god/s.

1 Samuel 8:1

“And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.”


1 Samuel 8:3

“And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.”

1 Samuel 8:5

“And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.”
1 Samuel 8:7

“And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.”

1 Samuel 8:9

“Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.”

Godistruth1 said:

I will quote the verses:
Does it look like neighbor coming and forcibly taking the wives. Its clearly God making it happen.

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That's because it was their culture/writing style to ignore secondary causation. Things that God allowed to happen are often written of as if God is doing them directly.

Does it mention anywhere in Bible they were to sleep with the neighbor because they sinned. Wouldn't that increase the sin?

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"They were to sleep" - again, they are not being commanded by God to go and sleep with someone else.

Godistruth1 said:

The massacre is over exaggerated. Only those who rebelled were killed. Ibn Ishaq is not a reliable historian and often has his sources from Jews.

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Ishaq is responsible for the earliest history. He is referred by all historians! If you want to provide an under-cutting deafeter to the account of the Battle of Trench you will have to do better than a sweeping generalization and appeal to ignorance!

Where is your reliable source that denies the events?

Further we see that jihad is interpreted as a war to convert infidels. While the Meccan portions of the jihad seem focused on peaceful coexistence, the portions written later in Medina are the opposite and Mohammed abrogates the earlier peaceful requirements!

Godistruth1 said:

Do you have a reliable source that Jesus was born without a father?

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This is known in logical fallacies as a red herring. Instead of focusing on getting at your original claim where you were complaining about God's judgement and I was pointing out the hypocrisy of that claim and gave evidence supporting my claim.

Instead of responding to my claim and correcting you sweeping generalization or argument from ignorance your change the subject.

So stay on track. If this had been a debate the judges would have already issued you a warning.

Provide evidence, not just an unsupported claim, that the Battle of Trench has been misrepresented.

Please leave the propaganda and rhetorical flourish aside.