Should people living in sin be rejected from the church

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Looks pretty cut and dried to me.......

Immorality Rebuked
(Leviticus 20:10-21; Proverbs 5:1-23)

1 Corin 5:
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife.
2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?

3 Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present
9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people.
10 I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.
11 But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12 What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”b
Good post...........

“I’m better than you... so be gone”

That is the battle cry of this group!

:0

Pastors that spread His UNCONDITIONAL grace... that simply looks for humility and sincerity... have the most problems with the “Cast them out crew”

People kill themselves every day because they feel rejected and condemned!

I’m in utter disbelief of what I’m seeing some say here!

How can some of you people be so Hard Hearted... when you need the same Grace that you are withholding!

This is the Sin of Sodom!

To have much and give little!

This is also so very clear that it (the passage you are quoting) is binding to Jesus’ verbiage in Matthew 23!

A church of stone based, judgmental Christians is an adulterous harlot in the eyes of God!

The casting asunder is to avoid the leavening of the Pharisees!

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

Clint Edwards said:
Thank you, peace and blessings to you as well. I was only taking about the unrepentant and happily sinful church member, not most people.

To be direct... “the cast asunder crew” are usually those unrepentant ones.

Having identified the sheep and wolves... I’m certain you catch my insinuation of people that wear a facade and judge from behind it.

Again... I am so very thankful for your surrender to Jesus and your sincerity.

<3

rjs330 · May 19, 2018

Grip Docility said:
“I’m better than you... so be gone”

That is the battle cry of this group!

:0

Pastors that spread His UNCONDITIONAL grace... that simply looks for humility and sincerity... have the most problems with the “Cast them out crew”

People kill themselves every day because they feel rejected and condemned!

I’m in utter disbelief of what I’m seeing some say here!

How can some of you people be so Hard Hearted... when you need the same Grace that you are withholding!

This is the Sin of Sodom!

To have much and give little!

This is also so very clear that it (the passage you are quoting) is binding to Jesus’ verbiage in Matthew 23!

A church of stone based, judgmental Christians is an adulterous harlot in the eyes of God!

The casting asunder is to avoid the leavening of the Pharisees!

Do you believe in the whole of scripture or only parts of it?

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

rjs330 said:
Do you believe in the whole of scripture or only parts of it?

Gen - Rev...

That’s Why I know Mercy is our call!

Law or Grace

They are incomparable in any ones hands, but God.

I’m surprised you haven’t been honest enough with yourself to understand this.

Law shows our need for Grace...

Once Grace is understood... to go back to Law is like a dog returning to its vomit.

Norbert L · May 19, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
I was in a discussion today and was shocked to hear that some people think that people who are living in sin should not be allowed to attend their church. This truly breaks my heart to hear this. The discussion was using an example of two people who are living together but aren’t married. What are your thoughts?

How is it "their church"? Look, nobody other than Jesus can own a church. When there's a majority decision they'll be a day of judgement. In the meantime you have options. You have the freedom, you can always work together and join with those who you think are wronged.

Why you would stay in a church who you view and publicly state as unjust doesn't make sense. 1 Peter 2:20

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

rjs330 said:
Do you believe in the whole of scripture or only parts of it?

2 Timothy 3:16

Ephesians 2:8-9

How about you?

Galatians?

Romans 2 and 4

Hosea?

Deuteronomy 31:26?

John 3:16

John 1 and 1 John?

Hebrews 2:14

1 Corinthians 15

Philip_B · May 19, 2018

Most merciful God,
Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
we confess that we have sinned
in thought, word and deed.
We have not loved you with our whole heart.
We have not loved our neighbours as ourselves.
In your mercy
forgive what we have been,
help us to amend what we are,
and direct what we shall be;
that we may do justly,
love mercy,
and walk humbly with you, our God.
Amen.

Episaw · May 19, 2018

Dave-W said:
.???

Explain.

Don't have to as it speaks for itself.

Kenny'sID · May 19, 2018

Grip Docility said:
People don’t stop sinning upon repentance... and people make mistakes!

Huge difference between living in sin, and the occasional "mistake". These arguments often end up with relying on that comment, "we all sin" but to be completely clear that is not what we're talking about, we are talking about living in sin. and the thinking is also often "Since we all sin, and we are forgiven our sin, no amount of sinning is a big deal.".

What God wants of us is very reasonable, and about as common a natural thing as it can be,so much so Atheists often adhere to it to a point. A parent and their child, the parent knows when their child is serious about trying to obey the rules or do right (not sinning), and when they are not (or living in sin without care)...same exact thing with our Father and us. God first saw to it the sin was paid for but only if we accept the bargain, then, just like a parent, he is happy to forgive the occasional sin. Very reasonable, and easy to understand concept that has been around forever.

Do you really not know the difference between living in sin and not? If not I guess I'll give it a shot, if so, just disregard it.

One for instance, "I slept with my lover last night, asked for forgiveness and moved on" VS "I have a lover whom I intend to stay with and sleep with as often as I please, it's a done deal, not a one time thing, something I plan to do tomorrow and so on, and so forth."

I can give plenty more for instances if you really don't understand the difference, or are you saying it doesn't matter, no sin, even perpetual sin is not a problem for our salvation?

Before I go on any further, and so I can better understand , and I'd guess you've mentioned it before but it's tough for me to keep up with everyone...are you OSAS?

sunlover1 · May 19, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Love your enemies! How much plainer could He BE?!?!

Stay away from those who call themselves a brother yet continue in sin.
how much plainer could He be?
Is it unloving to put my child in time out because I love him and want
him to grow up to have self control?
Not at all.

sunlover1 · May 19, 2018

Grip Docility said:
“I’m better than you... so be gone”

That is the battle cry of this group!

Not it's not.

People kill themselves every day because they feel rejected and condemned!

People condemn themselves every day because they choose to continue in sin
rather than let a loving God transform THEM.
They instead want to transform God into their idea of what love looks like.

This is the Sin of Sodom!

To have much and give little!

no it's not.

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
Huge difference between living in sin, and the occasional "mistake". These arguments often end up with relying on that comment, "we all sin" but to be completely clear that is not what we're talking about, we are talking about living in sin. and the thinking is also often "Since we all sin, and we are forgiven our sin, no amount of sinning is a big deal.".

What God wants of us is very reasonable, and about as common a natural thing as it can be,so much so Atheists often adhere to it to a point. A parent and their child, the parent knows when their child is serious about trying to obey the rules or do right (not sinning), and when they are not (or living in sin without care)...same exact thing with our Father and us. God first saw to it the sin was paid for but only if we accept the bargain, then, just like a parent, he is happy to forgive the occasional sin. Very reasonable, and easy to understand concept that has been around forever.

Do you really not know the difference between living in sin and not? If not I guess I'll give it a shot, if so, just disregard it.

One for instance, "I slept with my lover last night, asked for forgiveness and moved on" VS "I have a lover whom I intend to stay with and sleep with as often as I please, it's a done deal, not a one time thing, something I plan to do tomorrow and so on, and so forth."

I can give plenty more for instances if you really don't understand the difference, or are you saying it doesn't matter, no sin, even perpetual sin is not a problem for our salvation?

Before I go on any further, and so I can better understand , and I'd guess you've mentioned it before but it's tough for me to keep up with everyone...are you OSAS?

Right... person sins day after day and judges another’s sins as worse... then calls it living in sin.

That is the difference...

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

sunlover1 said:
Not it's not.

People condemn themselves every day because they choose to continue in sin
rather than let a loving God transform THEM.
They instead want to transform God into their idea of what love looks like.

no it's not.

Yes it is...

Ezekiel 16:49 Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy

That’s God speaking through Ezekiel... is He a liar? 1 John 1:8

Funny how the judgemental never know their bible.

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

sunlover1 said:
Stay away from those who call themselves a brother yet continue in sin.
how much plainer could He be?
Is it unloving to put my child in time out because I love him and want
him to grow up to have self control?
Not at all.

If you want to remove yourself from sinners, you must leave this world...

How much plainer can that be?

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
Huge difference between living in sin, and the occasional "mistake". These arguments often end up with relying on that comment, "we all sin" but to be completely clear that is not what we're talking about, we are talking about living in sin. and the thinking is also often "Since we all sin, and we are forgiven our sin, no amount of sinning is a big deal.".

What God wants of us is very reasonable, and about as common a natural thing as it can be,so much so Atheists often adhere to it to a point. A parent and their child, the parent knows when their child is serious about trying to obey the rules or do right (not sinning), and when they are not (or living in sin without care)...same exact thing with our Father and us. God first saw to it the sin was paid for but only if we accept the bargain, then, just like a parent, he is happy to forgive the occasional sin. Very reasonable, and easy to understand concept that has been around forever.

Do you really not know the difference between living in sin and not? If not I guess I'll give it a shot, if so, just disregard it.

One for instance, "I slept with my lover last night, asked for forgiveness and moved on" VS "I have a lover whom I intend to stay with and sleep with as often as I please, it's a done deal, not a one time thing, something I plan to do tomorrow and so on, and so forth."

I can give plenty more for instances if you really don't understand the difference, or are you saying it doesn't matter, no sin, even perpetual sin is not a problem for our salvation?

Before I go on any further, and so I can better understand , and I'd guess you've mentioned it before but it's tough for me to keep up with everyone...are you OSAS?

Before you go further?

OSAS?

Life fits in a nice box?

Are you without sin?

Kenny'sID · May 19, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Right... person sins day after day and judges another’s sins as worse... then calls it living in sin.

That is the difference...

I purposely made it very clear what living in sin was, and did not do what you just accused me of at all. And please don't with the judgement thing, that's done to death, and an empty defense when there is only one judge. Besides there is a huge difference between commenting on sin for the purpose of debate and meanly accusing someone. But, honestly, I think you know all that, and it appears you'll be throwing anything handy back at your adversary, whether it's viable or not, a bad sign...sigh*.

I asked you a few questions, and since you skipped them, that in itself gives me the likely answers and tells me you really don't want to understand.

Of course you're still welcome to answer them if you are interested in debate, or not if you are not.

I'd also like to ask one more if you should decide to answer, Are you living in sin? And no, before it happens, I'm not judging, at least that's the standard comeback, I'm just trying to understand why one would have an attitude such as yours, when the bible is pretty clear on the subject. It's either they are living in sin and don't intend to stop, someone they know is doing the same, or they were taught sin is not a problem in getting to heaven.

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
I purposely made it very clear what living in sin was, and did not do what you just accused me of at all. And please don't with the judgement thing, that's done to death, and an empty defense when there is only one judge. Besides there is a huge difference between commenting on sin for the purpose of debate and meanly accusing someone. But, honestly, I think you know all that, and it appears you'll be throwing anything handy back at your adversary, whether it's viable or not, a bad sign...sigh*.

I asked you a few questions, and since you skipped them, that in itself gives me the likely answers and tells me you really don't want to understand.

Of course you're still welcome to answer them if you are interested in debate, or not if you are not.

I'd also like to ask one more if you should decide to answer, Are you living in sin? And no, before it happens, I'm not judging, at least that's the standard comeback, I'm just trying to understand why one would have an attitude such as yours, when the bible is pretty clear on the subject. It's either they are living in sin and don't intend to stop, someone they know is doing the same, or they were taught sin is not a problem in getting to heaven.

Again... 1 John 1:8 and James 2:10 mean something...

You’re deflecting and using a term to cover your tracks... but Grace is Grace and judgment is judgment.

You are elevating your sin as less offensive than others...

I’m not judging you, but being sincere.

You define your sinful state as less sinful than others. It’s in every post you make on this thread.

Again... Are you without sin? 1 John 1:8

There is no doubt you want to uphold your elevation of self by insinuating I’m a simple product of man made doctrine... but the fact remains... the questions you asked are there to support your elevation of your self above others...

Care to continue?

Kenny'sID · May 19, 2018

Grip Docility said:
If you want to remove yourself from sinners, you must leave this world...

How much plainer can that be?

You can remove yourself from hanging around sinners regularly in the church, that was the subject. you're just being contrary now.

Grip Docility said:
Are you without sin?

Of course not, haven't you heard a thing that's being said? Do really need to show you where, in just the short time I was here this evening, I made that very clear? Are you just pretending not to see some of what we are talking about or do you have such a mental block you really don't see? that's a serious question, with not offense intended.

Why in the world would you even ask that.I mean I know it's another standard reply for this argument, but it holds no water whatsoever when you think about it..

Grip Docility · May 19, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
You can remove yourself from hanging around sinners regularly in the church, that was the subject. you're just being contrary now.

Of course not, haven't you heard a thing that's being said? Do really need to show you where, in just the short time I was here this evening, I made that very clear? Are you just pretending not to see some of what we are talking about or do you have such a mental block you really don't see? that's a serious question, with not offense intended.

Why in the world would you even ask that.I mean I know it's another standard reply for this argument, but it holds no water whatsoever when you think about it..

People are talking about men standing in the place of God.

We are ministers of the New Covenant... not the old covenant.

If a church is self seeking and elevating itself above others... it fully missed Philippians 2

Is your sin less sinful than someone that is “living in sin”?

You are implying it is.

sunlover1 · May 20, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Yes it is...

Ezekiel 16:49 Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy

That’s God speaking through Ezekiel... is He a liar? 1 John 1:8

Funny how the judgemental never know their bible.

Oops, you missed part of that passage.
"She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned;
they did not help the poor and needy.
They were haughty and did detestable things before me."

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