Ronald said:
Satan was an angel named Lucifer, who sinned and BECAME THE DEVIL AND BROUGHT 1/3 OF THE ANGELS WITH HIM WHO
True!
ALSO ARE NOW DEVILS -- H E L L O!
That is your assumption. The ones reserved in chains are called “angels that sinned” not devils, unclean, evil, foul spirits nor demons. You have assumed it to be so with no scripture to back it up.
Matt. 25:41 describes Satan and His horde " ... the devil and his angels."
True. Again no mention of devils, unclean, evil, foul spirits nor demons. You have assumed they are one in the same, they are not!
In Matt. 12:24 demons are equated with Satan's angels. "Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, 'This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons."
False!.
Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
You have assumed because satan earned the title devil among other things that the angels that followed him are also called devils and possess people, this passage does not unequivocally state that.
No passage in that context referring to spirits cast out uses the term angels.
I'm not going to spoon feed you, you need to do the study on your own. Examine these sites:
A superior attitude impresses no one here. I do my own study and do not need to eat from your spoon.
Never said He caused it, I said He allowed it.
True, I should not have implied you said that. You have my apology.
Freewill is not as free as you think. There is a price. The wages of sin is death. The Bible says we are either slaves to God or slaves to Satan. That doesn't sound like our will is free.
I disagree. In the garden satan had a choice both Adam and Eve had a choice. You and I both had the choice to accept Christ or not.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
If we were truly free, no one could impose judgment on us when we died. We are free to choose insignificant things,
Faulty reasoning.
but we don't choose God all by ourselves.
True, we must be drawn by the Father, but we still have the choice! John 6:44
If we are on His list, then He first chose us. We are the elect. Then He calls us through His divine providence, within a series of events and by using people and His Word. He orchestrates our divine appointment, lifts the veil so we can spiritually see,
You still have the choice.
then we realize and make the choice
But some still reject Him.
(and some think we did it all by ourselves -- how naïve!). If you had free will and didn't believe in God, then at death, you could just will yourself anywhere you wanted, will yourself into your own created reality, drift off, unrestrained with no judgment.
Now you really don’t think that is what I mean by freewill do you?
Your "free will" chooses God after He enables you. And it wasn't free, Christ paid the price for your salvation. Man thinks highly of himself though, doesn't he. You can do nothing good without God. Actually you can do nothing at all.
I believe I have addressed my stance on freewill.
You lack the Big Picture. "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good, for those who love him, for those who are called to His purpose." Or at least most Christians know that.
You left out the context for Romans 8:28. Go back and read verses 26 & 27 when those two verses are in play then verse 28 is in play.
IMHO “most Christians “ have misused this verse out of context. Context is king!
Sin caused all sorts of distortions, diseases, bacteria, viruses and deformities. Large clans of people were large clans of people as we see today. Put them up against smaller men and they are twice the size.
Then why did God want them all exterminated even their children? You have artfully dodged the question .
As I mentioned, the food they eat could be a factor as well as genetic flaws or pituitary conditions. Somoans are know to be huge or some African tribes are tall. So what.
So God holds a pituitary condition against a whole group of people and wants them all wiped out. Again you artfully dodged the question.
But you speak of flawed theology. You referenced the book of Enoch and then used some folklore American Indian tale of giants in the area of Tennessee!
You must have me mixed up with someone else
LOL I'm done.
Your freewill at work!
