Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

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That is linked with the instruction for us to follow Christ's commands, so he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced.
Jesus was circumcised too. Should we be circumcised too.
After Deuteronomy 30:11-14, verses 15-20 says that obedience to the Law brings life and a blessing, while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it is presented as a choice, but if it were impossible to to obey, then it would not really be a choice, and that would make God out to be an unloving Father who essentially gave the Law in order to curse His children. However, I think our Father knows how to give better gifts than that, especially when He said that the Law was given for our own good to be a blessing. Furthermore, all of the Israelites being under God's curse and none under His blessing does not correspond to the historical reality that is presented in Scripture. For example the Psalms contain extremely high praise for God's Law and it would make no sense for David to say that blessed are those who walk in the Law of the Lord if there there was not a single person who did that (Psalms 119:1), and there is not even a hint that he considered the Law to be a curse. The Law itself came with instructions for what to do when people sinned, so perfect obedience was never the expectation. If we needed perfect obedience, then there would be no point in repentance because it would already be too late, yet every single prophet up to an including Jesus came with the message to repent from our sins. So whether we continue to practice repentance is the key distinction between keeping the Law or not, between being under the blessing or the Law or it curse. David committed gave sins, but he always repented, a repentance is something anyone can do.
If all this is true, why did Jesus have to die?
No one who is obedient to the law is under the law; that is silly.
Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth
28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

For someone to say that if you obey the law, you are not under the law is just plain silly.
These verses say that if you don't obey the whole law, you are under a curse.
If you amended your statement to

No one who is obedient to the law is under the curse of law

Then it would be correct and in line with what Scripture says.
 
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Jesus was circumcised too. Should we be circumcised too.

If all this is true, why did Jesus have to die?

Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth
28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

For someone to say that if you obey the law, you are not under the law is just plain silly.
These verses say that if you don't obey the whole law, you are under a curse.
If you amended your statement to

No one who is obedient to the law is under the curse of law

Then it would be correct and in line with what Scripture says.

You conveniently skipped half a score of verses that outline the context. Deuteronomy 28 is about the Blessings of Being Obedient.

And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.

Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

The Lord shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.

And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee.

And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

Deuteronomy 28:1-14


You should be delighting in folowing your FATHER; you shouldn't be justifying reasons to get around following His laws because of your imperfection. The Hebrews gave oblations for their sins; God was not speaking about sinning once. The Hebrews also knew that they would be DEAD IN THE GRAVE when they died because they broke God's law at any point in time.


You are forgetting or ignoring sanctification, and how neither God, or [the Word of] God said that the LAW is VOID. Not one time did they say that we didn't have to be obedient. Because Christ showed following God's entire law is possible as a human, we are expected to be perfect also.

Christ affords us the grace to become sanctified, and ultimately gain Life. He isn't a prop for us to be exactly like the world, and then expect to have a place with Him.
 
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You ignored a whole slew of verses that say what will happen if you don't obey the whole law.
Read the rest of Deuteronomy 28 after verse 14.
You should be delighting in folowing your FATHER; you shouldn't be justifying reasons to get around following His laws because of your imperfection.
You state this like I am trying to justify my sinning.
We as believers are under a higher law than the 10 Commandments or even Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
We love God because He first loved us with all His heart, soul, mind and strength when He sacrificed His only begotten Son.
We love our neighbor as God loved us.
You are forgetting or ignoring sanctification, and how neither God, or [the Word of] God said that the LAW is VOID.
I have never said the law is void or ended.
I have said Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those who believe. The law is not made for a righteous man.
The 10 Commandments are a tutor to bring us to Christ. Once we are in Christ we are no longer under the law that points out our sin.
Christ affords us the grace to become sanctified, and ultimately gain Life. He isn't a prop for us to be exactly like the world, and then expect to have a place with Him.
He has sanctified us. In Christ we are perfected forever.
Who wants to be like the world, not me. I want to be like Christ, but doing my best to keep Moses law will not get me their.
All the law ever did was condemn me and make me feel worthless, because I could never measure up.
The Pharisees thought they were doing a good job of keeping the law. All they did was water it down to make it keepable. Jesus gave them the pristine version of the law.
The pristine version shuts peoples mouths declaring them guilty before a holy God.
If you think you are keeping the whole law, or even coming close, you should look at the law again.
You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.

Once you have done that, the only thing left to do is to cry out to God, "BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER"
He has shown you O man what is good and what the LORD requires of you, to do justly, to love mercy and walk humbly with your God.
 
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You ignored a whole slew of verses that say what will happen if you don't obey the whole law.
Read the rest of Deuteronomy 28 after verse 14.

You state this like I am trying to justify my sinning.
We as believers are under a higher law than the 10 Commandments or even Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
We love God because He first loved us with all His heart, soul, mind and strength when He sacrificed His only begotten Son.
We love our neighbor as God loved us.

I have never said the law is void or ended.
I have said Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those who believe. The law is not made for a righteous man.
The 10 Commandments are a tutor to bring us to Christ. Once we are in Christ we are no longer under the law that points out our sin.

He has sanctified us. In Christ we are perfected forever.
Who wants to be like the world, not me. I want to be like Christ, but doing my best to keep Moses law will not get me their.
All the law ever did was condemn me and make me feel worthless, because I could never measure up.
The Pharisees thought they were doing a good job of keeping the law. All they did was water it down to make it keepable. Jesus gave them the pristine version of the law.
The pristine version shuts peoples mouths declaring them guilty before a holy God.
If you think you are keeping the whole law, or even coming close, you should look at the law again.
You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.

Once you have done that, the only thing left to do is to cry out to God, "BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER"
He has shown you O man what is good and what the LORD requires of you, to do justly, to love mercy and walk humbly with your God.

We can end this debate right now: name one place where God, or Christ/The Word of God said that we do not have to be obedient to the Law God Himself set up since Moses. Show me one place where the Author of the Law said we don't have to follow the Laws of God set up by Him since He has given us Law.

Not humans, name a place where God or the Word of God said this - since they are the only ones with the authority to say anything about the continuity, perpetuity and variability of the law of God.
 
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We can end this debate right now: name one place where God, or Christ/The Word of God said that we do not have to be obedient to the Law God Himself set up since Moses. Show me one place where the Author of the Law said we don't have to follow the Laws of God set up by Him since He has given us Law.

Not humans, name a place where God or the Word of God said this - since they are the only ones with the authority to say anything about the continuity, perpetuity and variability of the law of God.
It would not matter if I did show you a verse that said exactly that. You would just perform "proper exegesis" on it to make it say what it is not saying.
I could show you verses where we are not under law but under grace.
I could show you a verse that says Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those who believe.
I could show you a verse that says the law is not made for a righteous man.
I could show you where God Himself found fault with the Old Covenant because it could NEVER make us righteous.
I could show you where God said the law was weak and unprofitable.

But I won't because you desire to be under the yoke of bondage.

If you knew just how holy God was you would cry like Isaiah, "Woe is me, I am undone. I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell in the midst of an unclean people.
 
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The 10 Commandments accuse any sinner of wrongdoing.

John 5:45
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
They will never accuse me because they have no authority to do so.

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Besides, Christ Himself proved that God's laws were NOT too much for Son of Man by perfectly following them.

All of God's accusers, even, are silenced by Him. That is why He gives us grace while at the same time expecting us to be obedient (what parent wouldn't?)
Obedient to waht?

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I agree that there are instances where sin has a collective nature, but I don't see any reason to think that it is possible for an individual, but not possible for a collective. A community can't be held responsible for failing to meet an impossible standard any more than an individual can, so if it were impossible for a community, then the fault would not lie with the community, but with God, but God said that it was not too difficult, and indeed it is not.
If a community can not keep the law, how can an individual who is part of that community keep it? Every community is made of individuals.

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Indeed, one thing the the people listed in hebrews 11 had in common was that they heard and obeyed God's voice. This is why the New Covenant no longer has man as a mediator, as the Mosaic Covenant was originally intended to be.



Let's look at a similar passage:

Luke 16:16-18 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void. 18 “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

So the Law and the Prophets were was until John, but John did not teach a message that the Law and the Prophets have come to and end and we no longer need to repent, but rather his message was one of repentance and returning to obedience to the Law, and indeed that is the Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus said had been preached since John. Jesus then went on to say that not the least part would disappear from the Law and then went on to teach obedience to it. So there is nothing in the context that suggests that Jesus saying that the Law and the Prophets were until John meant that they were ending with John. Likewise, I don't see a good reason to interpret Galatians 3:19-23 as saying that the Law ended with Jesus. Indeed, instructions for how act in accordance with God's righteousness can't be ended without first ending God's eternal righteousness.
Looking at you statement here confuses me. You said - "the Law and the Prophets were was until John" and "John did not teach a message that the Law and the Prophets have come to and end." How can that be true? You used two past tense verbs (were/was) and say the law did not come to and end. Past is no longer present meaning current.
Having no more need for a tutor is not at all the same thing as having no more need to live by what a tutor taught you. Someone who completely disregarded everything their tutor taught them after they left would be completely missing the whole point of a tutor. A student does not move on to 2nd grade by disregarding everything that they were previously taught, but rather their new teacher builds upon what they were taught. Now that Jesus has come we have a superior teacher, but the subject matter is still how to walk in God ways obedience to the Law in accordance with what Jesus taught by word and by example. We also now have the Spirit, who has the role of leading us in obedience to the Law.
I no longer do many things I was taught. When it comes to salvation (relationship with God) the OC has nothing to say because we have a NC based on better promises.
Changing the medium that a law is written upon doesn't change the content of what it requires us to obey. In 1 John 2:3-6, we are told that those who are in Christ ought to walk in the same way he walked, and the way that Christ walked was in complete obedience to the Mosaic Law. That is linked with the instruction for us to follow Christ's commands, so he did not hypocritically preach something other than what he practiced.
It is the contents that were changed. See Jer 31:32. Not according to is a reference to contents.

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After Deuteronomy 30:11-14, verses 15-20 says that obedience to the Law brings life and a blessing, while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it is presented as a choice, but if it were impossible to to obey, then it would not really be a choice, and that would make God out to be an unloving Father who essentially gave the Law in order to curse His children. However, I think our Father knows how to give better gifts than that, especially when He said that the Law was given for our own good to be a blessing. Furthermore, all of the Israelites being under God's curse and none under His blessing does not correspond to the historical reality that is presented in Scripture. For example the Psalms contain extremely high praise for God's Law and it would make no sense for David to say that blessed are those who walk in the Law of the Lord if there there was not a single person who did that (Psalms 119:1), and there is not even a hint that he considered the Law to be a curse. The Law itself came with instructions for what to do when people sinned, so perfect obedience was never the expectation. If we needed perfect obedience, then there would be no point in repentance because it would already be too late, yet every single prophet up to an including Jesus came with the message to repent from our sins. So whether we continue to practice repentance is the key distinction between keeping the Law or not, between being under the blessing or the Law or it curse. David committed gave sins, but he always repented, a repentance is something anyone can do.
Deut 30 is about temporal life only.

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It would not matter if I did show you a verse that said exactly that. You would just perform "proper exegesis" on it to make it say what it is not saying.
I could show you verses where we are not under law but under grace.
I could show you a verse that says Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those who believe.
I could show you a verse that says the law is not made for a righteous man.
I could show you where God Himself found fault with the Old Covenant because it could NEVER make us righteous.
I could show you where God said the law was weak and unprofitable.

But I won't because you desire to be under the yoke of bondage.

If you knew just how holy God was you would cry like Isaiah, "Woe is me, I am undone. I am a man of unclean lips and I dwell in the midst of an unclean people.

I find joy in following the commandments of God, and they also make sense scientifically and mathematically. But, that doesn't matter.

If you can show me a place where God said that we don't have to follow the previous laws He placed - better known as the laws of Moses and the Prophets - then I am truly and sincerely all ears.

But, it has to be from the Ones who have authority over the law: Christ and/or the Most High God. I mean that. (I am not talking about being obedient for the sake of salvation.)
 
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We can end this debate right now: name one place where God, or Christ/The Word of God said that we do not have to be obedient to the Law God Himself set up since Moses. Show me one place where the Author of the Law said we don't have to follow the Laws of God set up by Him since He has given us Law.

Not humans, name a place where God or the Word of God said this - since they are the only ones with the authority to say anything about the continuity, perpetuity and variability of the law of God.
You are as clear as thick clay mud. I think you are saying we are obligated to the 10 Cs. Is my understanding correct on this?

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You conveniently skipped half a score of verses that outline the context. Deuteronomy 28 is about the Blessings of Being Obedient.

And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God.

Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

The Lord shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.

And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee.

And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

Deuteronomy 28:1-14


You should be delighting in folowing your FATHER; you shouldn't be justifying reasons to get around following His laws because of your imperfection. The Hebrews gave oblations for their sins; God was not speaking about sinning once. The Hebrews also knew that they would be DEAD IN THE GRAVE when they died because they broke God's law at any point in time.


You are forgetting or ignoring sanctification, and how neither God, or [the Word of] God said that the LAW is VOID. Not one time did they say that we didn't have to be obedient. Because Christ showed following God's entire law is possible as a human, we are expected to be perfect also.

Christ affords us the grace to become sanctified, and ultimately gain Life. He isn't a prop for us to be exactly like the world, and then expect to have a place with Him.
Would you please expalain Jn 15:10 and I Jn 3:23?

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Would you please expalain Jn 15:10 and I Jn 3:23?

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John 15:10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
and John 3:23

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
are companion verses to the context: the obedience to commandments.

John 14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments.

First, who is He?

John 1:1-5:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.​

Has there ever been a place where the Word of God identified Himself to Moses and the Prophets?

How can a young person stay on the path of purity?
By living according to your word. - Psalm 119:9

The grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of our God endures forever. - Isaiah 40:8

As for God, his way is perfect:
The Lord’s word is flawless;
he shields all who take refuge in him. - Psalm 18:30

He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. - Deuteronomy 8:3

The law of the Lord is perfect,
refreshing the soul.
The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,
making wise the simple. - Psalm 19:7

Therefore say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: None of my words will be delayed any longer; whatever I say will be fulfilled, declares the Sovereign Lord.’ - Ezekiel 12:28

I have not departed from the commands of his lips;
I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread. - Job 23:12

Now, what did Christ Himself say about His ministry, and His knowledge?

And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.” - John 7:15-16

Who sent Christ? God. Therefore, the commandments of Christ are the commandments of God.
 
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Obedient to what? If you say the law or the law of God, to me you are saying the 10 Cs.

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The ten commandments are the foundation of the Law. If you love God with all of your might and strength, we [try to] follow all of His "rules" no matter how trivial they seem to us. If you have kids, this is the same thing; you expect them to follow even your smallest of rules.

That means every time you have a place where Christ, or God spoke a commandment, it is for us to follow unless He says otherwise.
 
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But, it has to be from the Ones who have authority over the law: Christ and/or the Most High God. I mean that. (I am not talking about being obedient for the sake of salvation.)
No, at least you have that much right.
But, I am sure you think God blessing is based on your obedience to the law.
But, God does not deal with us based on our obedience to the 10 Commandments.

In Galatians 4:21-5:1 it says that the law given at Sinai gendered to bondage, The conclusion is
Cast out the the bondwoman and her son and don't be entangled with the yoke of bondage.
Who sent Christ? God. Therefore, the commandments of Christ are the commandments of God.
You do the same thing that Eve did in the Garden of Eden.
You exalt the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil to be equal with the Tree of Life.
The law written on stone can never give you life.
Jesus the Word gives you life and He gives it more abundantly.
Therefore Jesus is not the law.
The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The law is not the Truth, it is true. But Jesus is the Truth.

You should do yourself a favor, read Psalm 119, but instead of thinking of the 10 Commandments, think instead of Jesus Christ the Word.
 
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Kaon

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No, at least you have that much right.
But, I am sure you think God blessing is based on your obedience to the law.
But, God does not deal with us based on our obedience to the 10 Commandments.

In Galatians 4:21-5:1 it says that the law given at Sinai gendered to bondage, The conclusion is
Cast out the the bondwoman and her son and don't be entangled with the yoke of bondage.

You do the same thing that Eve did in the Garden of Eden.
You exalt the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil to be equal with the Tree of Life.
The law written on stone can never give you life.
Jesus the Word gives you life and He gives it more abundantly.
Therefore Jesus is not the law.
The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The law is not the Truth, it is true. But Jesus is the Truth.

You should do yourself a favor, read Psalm 119, but instead of thinking of the 10 Commandments, think instead of Jesus Christ the Word.

The Word of God is living. The Law is the Word of God, is it not? Christ is the literal living Word of God; anything God said it was Christ.

I am not exalting the tree of knowledge of good and evil, I am simply asking where God Himself, or Christ said that we do not have to be obedient to his commandments. So far you have accused me, but can you show me this?
 
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