Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

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In Job it speaks about the sons of God and it is clear it was speaking about Jobs sons gathering at one anothers house to observe feast days and they invited their sisters, Satan also entered in .. Does not Satan enter our churches at times .. And can Satan enter in to Gods throne when he was violently cast down ? He is the prince of the air for now but imo has no more access to Gods throne or his first estate .. God can access him anytime though ..
 
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In Job it speaks about the sons of God and it is clear it was speaking about Jobs sons gathering at one anothers house to observe feast days and they invited their sisters, Satan also entered in .. Does not Satan enter our churches at times .. And can Satan enter in to Gods throne when he was violently cast down ? He is the prince of the air for now but imo has no more access to Gods throne or his first estate .. God can access him anytime though ..
What?!!! How did you come to this conclusion brother? It is not clear to me that Job's sons were the sons of God!
 
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my point is why would a fallen angel, a spirit being be attracted to mankind sexually , it doesn't make sense .. .
Sure it makes perfect sense when you understand the intent behind it ....
God created Mankind in His own image - the image of God in the closest manner that can be created - Man being created in the image of the Creator -that is the Creator's most prized creation of all creations.
Mankind has been given the ability to reproduce themselves and it is the very creation that becomes the very heir to God the creator - Consider that lucifer was overcome by envy and covetousness and was convinced himself that he a created being would be a better God then his own Creator and he tried a mutiny of sorts that resulted in him being cast out of his own high place in heaven which caused him to lose every level of authority that was given to him -which is the fall of lucifer that Jesus spoke about
As a result lucifier now hasatan hates his creator with a vengeance and seeks to destroy everything that is precious to God his Creator - that is Mankind and all animal life amd everything that has been given to mankind . God took dominion of the earth awat from satan at his fall from grace and gave it to Adam and out of jealousy satan tricked Adam into sin which caused God to take dominion of the earth away from Adam.

Fallen angels are not so physically attracted to human women as human men are - but it is out of jealousy and revenge that satan wants to corrupt and destroy the most highly prized creation that God the Creator has ever created - the image of Himself created as humankind - the easiest way to hurt the creator is to destroy what the Creator cherishes the most which is Humankind
By the fallen ones having sex with human women it corrupts Gods holiness with sin and makes it unholy . satan knows that the Creator cannot and will not co habitat with a sinful being - If the Creator Jesus had not become a human man and take upon Himself all the sin of the human existence - humans would never be able to co habitat with the Creator
The fallen angels chose to have sex with human women to corrupt humankind - not just because they wanted the pleasure of sex - the intent is to destroy and or ruin what God loves the most - which is why satan continues to try to deceive all mankind - he tried to have the savoir baby Jesus killed through Herod before he grew up to fulfill His ministry
 
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In Job it speaks about the sons of God and it is clear it was speaking about Jobs sons gathering at one anothers house to observe feast days and they invited their sisters, Satan also entered in .. Does not Satan enter our churches at times .. And can Satan enter in to Gods throne when he was violently cast down ? He is the prince of the air for now but imo has no more access to Gods throne or his first estate .. God can access him anytime though ..

I see no evidence from scripture your theory is valid.


1. There is no evidence the presence of God was at a church meeting in one of Job’s son’s house.


2. Job 1:5 is clear Job was worried that his sons may have sinned and cursed God in their hearts. so Job offered burnt offerings continually.


3. Job 1:4 says Job’s sons and their sisters were feasting eating and drinking not having a worship service unto the Lord.


4. The Lord God of heaven was not having a conversation with satan on the couch of one of Job’s sons.


5. The Lord ask satan where he came from, his answer “from going to and fro in the earth , and walking up and down in it” , the answer was not, “from playing outside Job’s son’s house and I just stopped by to interrupt the prayer meeting inside”.


6. Job was the one interceding for his sons not the other way around.


7. Verse 13 Jobs sons and daughters were still eating and drinking wine not having church!


8. Verse 18-19 Job’s sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine when the house fell on them and killed them all.


9. If the “sons of God” in Job 1 are Jobs sons, who are the “sons of God” in Job 2:1 Job’s sons were dead?


10. Job 2:1-8 is not in a house on Job’s estate this meeting was in the presence of the Lord .


11. Job 38:4-9 “the sons of God” are not Job’s dead sons nor any human being. These “sons’ of God” were present to witness the creation of the earth verse 4-7.


My friend if I were you I would reconsider this theory you have put forth here. IMHO it is just another in a long line of failed attempts to explain with human reasoning what is a supernatural event which cannot be comprehended with simple human logic.

 
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Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.



Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Angels had relations with women and that gave rise to the titans. It is recorded in detail in the book of Enoch. In my humble, the Genesis creation account, about Adam and Eve, is describing the two seed scenario - the devil (a serpent/reptilian angel) seduced Eve and they had relations, Eve also knew Adam - this produced twins - Cain and Abel - Cain was derived from the devil and Abel from Adam.
These two genetic lines continued to exist. That is why it says that the serpent has seed - offspring.
The angelic incursion happened later, and that produced the giants, known as titans to the Greeks. In my opinion, the angels which came to earth, were reptilians. Figurines of these creatures have been preserved from ancient Iraq. They became rulers.
The letter of Jude is describing the same thing, of course.
The reptilians were also known as the feathered serpents - as they had feathers or colored plumes. These angels are also known as the sons of God, or the ben'eh Elohim, in the Hebrew.
The sons of God, along with Satan, were gathered together, in a council, with God, in the book of Job.
If you study the original Hebrew in the Genesis creation account, you will see that the language has much greater depth, and convinces me for one, that Eve was seduced by the serpent. The fruit is a symbol, not literal fruit.
The trees in the garden are also symbolic - the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is a symbol for the angels - and that is why Adam and Eve are warned not to eat of that tree - eat is also symbolic language. The tree of life, is the tree of eternal life, Holiness/God.
 
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the devil (a serpent/reptilian angel) seduced Eve and they had relations,
While I agree with most all of your post, the scripture does not tell us this. I am not saying it is not possible that this happened, just that scripture does not confirm it, so...:rolleyes:.
Here is what scripture teaches about the birth of Cain and Abel. They were NOT twins.
Gen. 4:And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
 
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While I agree with most all of your post, the scripture does not tell us this. I am not saying it is not possible that this happened, just that scripture does not confirm it, so...:rolleyes:.
Here is what scripture teaches about the birth of Cain and Abel. They were NOT twins.
Gen. 4:And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

Adam knew his wife, and so did the serpent. Even is the serpent seed theory is false, and it might be, there is no doubt with me that the fall was the result of Eve being seduced by the serpent.
Both Adam and Eve lost their innocence, via sexual awareness.
Perhaps it is worth note, that Lilith is derived from an old Babylonian word Thallath, which means, to go to one side, or to go astray.
Lilith is Eve, in my opinion, preserved in another name. Lilith has even been preserved in the Hindu pantheon as one of their gods called Thalattu. Lilith or Eve became Semiramis, with Tammuz her son and also her consort or husband - Lilith married her own son.
The son was a black boy. The Hindu gods with blue skin, is their way of representing the black skinned child, originally Tammuz.
All of these pagan religions worship Semiramis and her child, in different forms. They are actually worshiping the first woman, Eve and her son, by the serpent.
Jesus said to the religious of his day, that their father was the devil - I think that he was being literal about that - they were seed of the serpent, and not a spiritual thing.
 
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Adam knew his wife, and so did the serpent. Even is the serpent seed theory is false, and it might be, there is no doubt with me that the fall was the result of Eve being seduced by the serpent.
Scripture does not agree that the serpent knew Eve.So I have to disagree with you about that. Now I do believe the angels that sinned with the women were serpentine. Yes Eve confessed of being deceived by the serpent.But when she bare Cain, she said she had gotten a man from the Lord, not from the serpent.
Both Adam and Eve lost their innocence, via sexual awareness.
Perhaps it is worth note, that Lilith is derived from an old Babylonian word Thallath, which means, to go to one side, or to go astray.
Lilith is Eve, in my opinion, preserved in another name. Lilith has even been preserved in the Hindu pantheon as one of their gods called Thalattu. Lilith or Eve became Semiramis, with Tammuz her son and also her consort or husband - Lilith married her own son.
The son was a black boy. The Hindu gods with blue skin, is their way of representing the black skinned child, originally Tammuz.
All of these pagan religions worship Semiramis and her child, in different forms. They are actually worshiping the first woman, Eve and her son, by the serpent.
Jesus said to the religious of his day, that their father was the devil - I think that he was being literal about that - they were seed of the serpent, and not a spiritual thing.
Scripture does not back this up either.
 
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Angels had relations with women and that gave rise to the titans. It is recorded in detail in the book of Enoch. In my humble, the Genesis creation account, about Adam and Eve, is describing the two seed scenario - the devil (a serpent/reptilian angel) seduced Eve and they had relations, Eve also knew Adam - this produced twins - Cain and Abel - Cain was derived from the devil and Abel from Adam.
These two genetic lines continued to exist. That is why it says that the serpent has seed - offspring.
The angelic incursion happened later, and that produced the giants, known as titans to the Greeks. In my opinion, the angels which came to earth, were reptilians. Figurines of these creatures have been preserved from ancient Iraq. They became rulers.
The letter of Jude is describing the same thing, of course.
The reptilians were also known as the feathered serpents - as they had feathers or colored plumes. These angels are also known as the sons of God, or the ben'eh Elohim, in the Hebrew.
The sons of God, along with Satan, were gathered together, in a council, with God, in the book of Job.
If you study the original Hebrew in the Genesis creation account, you will see that the language has much greater depth, and convinces me for one, that Eve was seduced by the serpent. The fruit is a symbol, not literal fruit.
The trees in the garden are also symbolic - the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is a symbol for the angels - and that is why Adam and Eve are warned not to eat of that tree - eat is also symbolic language. The tree of life, is the tree of eternal life, Holiness/God.
It is my understanding the “serpent seed” theory is considered heretical on this forum, and is forbidden from discussion. You might want to check on that.
 
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Scripture does not agree that the serpent knew Eve.So I have to disagree with you about that. Now I do believe the angels that sinned with the women were serpentine. Yes Eve confessed of being deceived by the serpent.But when she bare Cain, she said she had gotten a man from the Lord, not from the serpent.

Scripture does not back this up either.

I got some insight into all that from a book written by a Christian called Alexander Hislop, the Two Babylons.
What then is your take on the Genesis account? The language has deeper meaning - they don't blurt it out ''Eve had sexual intercourse with the serpent'' - I don't know why they didunt just come out with it, instead they have used subtle language, but you can still decode it from the original Hebrew.
What caused the fall then? If Eve did not know the serpent? Eating an apple?
What woz the forbidden fruit? It was the fruit derived from the tree of knowledge.
For whatever reason, God allowed for the serpent to be in the garden, perhaps they were there already - the reptilians.
The warning was to stay away from them, at least sexually.
When did Satan fall? I think it was during the first age. The first creation account in Genesis says 'and the earth was without form and void'.. but apparently, the original Hebrew was more like ''became formless and void'' - this for me explains a lot.
It explains how there can be giant ammonites on the beach in Lym Regis, and they found plesiosaurs and icthiosuars on the 'Jurassic coast'.. another age, destroyed, flooded, covered in sediment. Ruled by the heavenly serpents - the reptilian angels, who built the megalithic structures, which no one can explain. And the age of the reptiles was done away with, and the age of the mammals followed, in the bible, in the Genesis account.
Young earth creationists cannot explain why you never get rabbits etc along with dinosaurs in the same strata. It's coz they are derived from two separate ages, and the bible does not describe the previous age.
If Satan and the reptilians fell, then I think it is likely that they sinned, and corrupted the world as it was then. I personally do not believe in the Noah's flood. If Noah took two foxes and two rabbits onto the ark, then on disembarking, the foxes would eat the rabbits and then starve, after eating all the rats and gerbils and everything else that they could find to eat.. no more gerbils or hamsters, upon the earth.
Only makes sense if it were a global catastrophe from a previous age.
But if Satan and the reptilians fell, then they have been fallen for a long time.
 
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It is my understanding the “serpent seed” theory is considered heretical on this forum, and is forbidden from discussion. You might want to check on that.
If it is forbidden, then I won't discuss it further.
 
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If it is forbidden, then I won't discuss it further.
Check it out I seem to remember it is forum rules. I have no problem discussing anything. It will stand or fall on its own merits.
 
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Adam ate. Sin came through Adam.
Eve ate first. Adam also ate, but later.
I don't know if I am allowed to say how Adam ate, on this forum. Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge also. They both ate, they both fell, and then they sewed fig leaves, as they became sexually ashamed, lost innocence.
The reptilians did not have sexual shame. The reptilians discovered at Ur in Iraq were always depicted as being naked, as they were not human. They seem to depict feathers on the shoulders, or it might have been jewels, like on a chain or similar. They had long hair, elongated sculls and the visage of serpents. I think that Satan was of a different order of angel, still serpent, but more similar in appearance to a human man.
 
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Eve ate first. Adam also ate, but later.
I don't know if I am allowed to say how Adam ate, on this forum. Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge also. They both ate, they both fell, and then they sewed fig leaves, as they became sexually ashamed, lost innocence.
The reptilians did not have sexual shame. The reptilians discovered at Ur in Iraq were always depicted as being naked, as they were not human. They seem to depict feathers on the shoulders, or it might have been jewels, like on a chain or similar. They had long hair, elongated sculls and the visage of serpents. I think that Satan was of a different order of angel, still serpent, but more similar in appearance to a human man.

True, they both ate, and Adam ate after Eve, but scripture tells us that the fall happened when Adam ate. He caused the fall because He was the one who received the instruction directly from our Father "Do not eat". If you read the scripture, it says Adam was with Eve, but he did not stop her from taking the fruit and eating.
 
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I understand you are having a hard time accepting these truths that have been brought to you , but when you really research with the desire to find the truth instead of just trying to defend your view you will understand the real truth is fallen angels had sex with human women that produced the giants

Now stop and think about what you have said; that giants are men that are 8 ft tall , that is a big man indeed but by no means a true giant .
How tall are you , perhaps 6 ft or close to that , if you stood beside an 8 ft tall man would you think you are the size of a grasshopper compared to the 8 ft man ?
Both the ancient historian Josephus and Scripture gives that size comparison that is so vastly different that is likened to something that is soooooooo unheard of that words just cannot express the extent to how much bigger those Nephilim were to normal humans
Now follow along to see some real evidence

Here is evidence that the word Nephilim is found in the Hebrew text and in several English translations

Youngs LT
33 and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'

Wycliffe
33 there we saw some wonders against kind, of the sons of Anak, of the kind of giants, to which we were comparisoned, and were seen as locusts. (yea, we saw some wonders against kind there, the sons of Anak, who be giants, and compared to them, we felt as small as locusts, or like grasshoppers.)

NRSV
33 There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

American Standard Version (ASV)
33 And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

English Standard Version (ESV)
33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

NASB
33 There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

Historian Josephus describes the Nephilim -
"There were till then left the RACE OF GIANTS, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men" (Ant., V,ii,3).

Now lets look at the Hebrew scriptures - the word Nephilim is comprised of a root word " נפל " which is defined as - fallen or fell or fall with the masculine suffix of "im" which is plural and is sounds like 'eem'
This is where the term fallen ones comes from

here is a page of the Hebrew scripture
Now notice what God says about the animals and the birds of the air

" And the LORD said: 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and creeping thing, and fowl of the air; for it repenteth Me that I have made them."

Angels and humans can sin - but the animals in the animal kingdom simply lives by the genetic nature God gave them - animals don't even know what sin is let alone commit sin .
God wanted to destroy mankind because of the corrupted seed that Nephilim implanted into the human women as time went on . God repented that he made them all because they all had been corrupted by the fallen ones as satans plan was to corrupt the very prized creation of God and everything that could be corrupted - which is why God told Noah to take unblemished animals into the ark 2 by 2 - so they could reproduce uncorrupted offspring so that Noah and his family and the animal kingdom could survive and replenish the earth

I have records of the very very tall giant skeletons filed away somewhere - it may take awhile to find them but they were 3 to 5 times as tall as you . Have you ever seen those crop circle pictures that show the shapes of men that are a few hundred yards long ? It has been proven that no man has been able to form all those intricate designs caused by folding over grass and grain without causing creases in the plant stalks - the real crop circles never have any creases and the plant still lived healthy - anyway Here is a page of the Hebrew bible showing the word Nephilim in the original in both Genesis 6
and Number 13
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I am having NO problem at all my friend. How can anyone have a problem when the truth of Scriptures prove that Demons can not have sex with humans.

The real problem here is that YOU can not grasp the truth of God's Word and YOU believe the theories of men instead of God. It is just that simple.

The thesis you are propagating is one right out of the Twilight Zone.

There are NO records, NO evidence of any human skeletons 30 foot tall.
I am 6'3" so 6 x 5 as you stated would be 30!

A human skeleton of that size has never been found. Dinosaurs skeletons from 150 MILLION years ago...YES, humans from 6000 Thousand years, NO.

Now do you not realize that the skeletons of humans 6000 years old would be on TOP of any archeological dig that produced Dinosaur bones 150 Million years old?????

Yet there has not been ONE single skeleton found. There has been several FAKED and manipulated one produced but they were all proven to be faked and that is the same thing with YOUR proof of anyone 30 foot tall.

IF you want to believe it........please go right ahead and do so. I really do not care.
 
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Eve ate first. Adam also ate, but later.
I don't know if I am allowed to say how Adam ate, on this forum. Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge also. They both ate, they both fell, and then they sewed fig leaves, as they became sexually ashamed, lost innocence.
The reptilians did not have sexual shame. The reptilians discovered at Ur in Iraq were always depicted as being naked, as they were not human. They seem to depict feathers on the shoulders, or it might have been jewels, like on a chain or similar. They had long hair, elongated sculls and the visage of serpents. I think that Satan was of a different order of angel, still serpent, but more similar in appearance to a human man.

Would you please produce the Bible Scriptures to validate your posting?

If not then it can be excused as a fantasy.
 
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True, they both ate, and Adam ate after Eve, but scripture tells us that the fall happened when Adam ate. He caused the fall because He was the one who received the instruction directly from our Father "Do not eat". If you read the scripture, it says Adam was with Eve, but he did not stop her from taking the fruit and eating.
I cannot paste the scripture here, it duzant work, but Genesis 3 has the serpent talking to the woman, not Adam. ''he said to the woman''. Where was Adam? off chopping wood, probably. Eve caused the fall. The text seems to suggest that Eve persuaded Adam to take the fruit also.
Where duz it say that Adam was involved? Except that he ate the fruit as well, after Eve.
Post the scripture from Genesis 3 if you like, as I am unable.
 
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True, they both ate, and Adam ate after Eve, but scripture tells us that the fall happened when Adam ate. He caused the fall because He was the one who received the instruction directly from our Father "Do not eat". If you read the scripture, it says Adam was with Eve, but he did not stop her from taking the fruit and eating.

Correct. Adam was the "Federal Head" of humanity and he was the one responsible as that head.
 
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