Revelation 12:6, Who Is The Woman In The Wilderness?

Truth7t7 · Mar 13, 2018

The woman being fed in the wilderness in Revelation 12:6 is the "Remnant Church" that the Lord will feed during the 1260 day future tribulation, in the forest of Carmel, Bashan, and Gilead, as in the days of coming out of Egypt, "Manna" from heaven, as clearly seen in Micah 7:14-15 below.

You will closely note in verse 12 below the nations of the world are gathered from sea to sea, and mountain to mountain.

Verse 15 clearly shows the desolation is taking place.

Verse 16 the nations of the world will see the "Remnant Church" being fed in the wilderness and be confounded at God's power.

Micah 7:12-17KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

Revelation 12:6KJV
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

keras · Mar 13, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
The woman being fed in the wilderness in Revelation 12:6 is the "Remnant Church" that the Lord will feed during the 1260 day future tribulation, in the forest of Carmel, Bashan, and Gilead, as in the days of coming out of Egypt, "Manna" from heaven, as clearly seen in Micah 7:14-15 below.

Your quote from Micah 7:12-17 is not about the same thing as Rev 12.
Micah is about the Lord's holy people, namely every Christian, living in all of the holy Land, soon after the Sixth Seal event clears the Land and Revelation 12:6-17, is the time after the Anti-Christ comes to new Israel, breaking his 7 year pace treaty and taking control.
The Christian people then divide into 2 groups; one that breaks the Covenant and the others who keep firm in their faith in God. Daniel 11:32, also Zechariah 14:1-2 tells about the group of the faithful ones, who will leave the holy Land for the 1260 days; kept safe on the other side of the world. Isaiah 24:16
It will be them, mainly, who the angels will gather when Jesus Returns. Matthew 24:31

Truth7t7 · Mar 13, 2018

keras said:
Your quote from Micah 7:12-17 is not about the same thing as Rev 12.
Micah is about the Lord's holy people, namely every Christian, living in all of the holy Land, soon after the Sixth Seal event clears the Land and Revelation 12:6-17, is the time after the Anti-Christ comes to new Israel, breaking his 7 year pace treaty and taking control.
The Christian people then divide into 2 groups; one that breaks the Covenant and the others who keep firm in their faith in God. Daniel 11:32, also Zechariah 14:1-2 tells about the group of the faithful ones, who will leave the holy Land for the 1260 days; kept safe on the other side of the world. Isaiah 24:16
It will be them, mainly, who the angels will gather when Jesus Returns. Matthew 24:31

A group of faithful ones are kept safe?

"On The Other Side Of The World"?

You quote Isaiah 24:16 below to support this teaching?

As is cleary seen in the verse below, there is nothing that even suggest your claim is taking place, not a hint!

Keras its teaching such as this, that discredits ones point of view in others eyes.

Isaiah 24:16KJV
16 From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously.

phydaux · Mar 14, 2018

The woman in Revelation 12 is described as "clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars." If we want to understand who that refers to then we have to see where else in scripture that description was used. As it turns out, it was used in Genesis chapter 37:

5 Now Joseph had a dream, and he told it to his brothers; and they hated him even more. 6 So he said to them, “Please hear this dream which I have dreamed: 7 There we were, binding sheaves in the field. Then behold, my sheaf arose and also stood upright; and indeed your sheaves stood all around and bowed down to my sheaf.”

8 And his brothers said to him, “Shall you indeed reign over us? Or shall you indeed have dominion over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.

9 Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me.”

10 So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?” 11 And his brothers envied him, but his father kept the matter in mind.

We are fortunate because Joseph's father interpreted this for us. The sun and the moon refer to Israel (Jacob before the Lord changed his name) and Rachel, and the eleven stars refer to Joseph's eleven brothers. That would make Joseph the 12th star.

So if we assume that the Book of Revelation was written by someone greatly conversant with the Old Testament, and we can assume that John the Beloved WAS greatly conversant with the Old Testament, then the woman is Revelation 12 clearly is meant to represent the nation of Israel.

phydaux · Mar 14, 2018

Now if we assume that this takes place after the Rapture then this can not be any part of "the Church." "The Church" has been raptured and is not on earth. The woman being sheltered in the wilderness, then, would be Jews who came to faith in the Messiah during the tribulation. They are saved. They are saints. They are NOT members of "the Church."

Everything else you mention seems, to me, to be correct.

phydaux · Mar 14, 2018

My posts were in response to Truth7t7's OP.

keras, I read your post and, honestly, I can't make heads nor tails of it.

Truth7t7 · Mar 14, 2018

phydaux said:
The woman in Revelation 12 is described as "clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars." If we want to understand who that refers to then we have to see where else in scripture that description was used. As it turns out, it was used in Genesis chapter 37:

5 Now Joseph had a dream, and he told it to his brothers; and they hated him even more. 6 So he said to them, “Please hear this dream which I have dreamed: 7 There we were, binding sheaves in the field. Then behold, my sheaf arose and also stood upright; and indeed your sheaves stood all around and bowed down to my sheaf.”

8 And his brothers said to him, “Shall you indeed reign over us? Or shall you indeed have dominion over us?” So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words.

9 Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me.”

10 So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?” 11 And his brothers envied him, but his father kept the matter in mind.

We are fortunate because Joseph's father interpreted this for us. The sun and the moon refer to Israel (Jacob before the Lord changed his name) and Rachel, and the eleven stars refer to Joseph's eleven brothers. That would make Joseph the 12th star.

So if we assume that the Book of Revelation was written by someone greatly conversant with the Old Testament, and we can assume that John the Beloved WAS greatly conversant with the Old Testament, then the woman is Revelation 12 clearly is meant to represent the nation of Israel.

The woman of Revelation 12:6 represents the remnant church that will be preaching in Israel during the tribulation, I believe the 144,000

keras · Mar 15, 2018

phydaux said:
keras, I read your post and, honestly, I can't make heads nor tails of it.

Sadly, that's because you haven't had proper teaching of the Prophetic Word.
The 'rapture to heaven' is drummed into Americans and they can't see any other outcome for the end times.

We Christians will not and cannot be removed from this earth. 'Rapture to heaven' believers, of whatever timing; know this, so their answer to that is: we are 'changed' and made immortal at the moment of rapture. This ignores the plain scripture of Revelation 20:11-15, of how it is only at the Great White Throne Judgement, that immortality is conferred to those whose names are found in the Book of Life. The 'change at the twinkle of an eye', in Corinthians 15, is a prophecy about what happens at the GWT, AFTER the Millennium.

The word 'escape' in Luke 21:36. This is rendered as 'pass safely through' in my Revised English Bible.
Although 'escape' is one correct way of translating the Greek word there, it conflicts with the context of the immediately preceding verse 35, that says what will happen; 'will come upon everyone the whole world over'. The REB correctly renders Luke 21:34-36.

Revelation 3:10. Being 'kept from', doesn't mean taken away from. The 3 men in the fiery furnace weren't taken out of it, they were protected in it. Noah went thru the Flood, people today face persecution; it’s simply illogical to even think that suddenly God will allow His people to 'escape, away from’, trials and testing, let alone take them all up to heaven before Judgement!
The other aspect of a 'rapture to heaven', is what does God really want of His people? We have the Great Commission. Matthew 28:19 When did, or when will, God rescind that?
Most will know that I point out all the many prophesies of how the Lord's holy people, that is: every faithful Christian, will be gathered into all of the holy Land, where they will be the people God always wanted in His Land, being His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-15

Who is the Woman of Rev 12?
Verses 1-5 are about old Israel of the 12 tribes, but verses 6-17 are about the new Israel of the Christian church, that is: every born again individual believer.

Douggg · Mar 15, 2018

phydaux said:
the woman is Revelation 12 clearly is meant to represent the nation of Israel.

Jesus is coming and His reward is with Him.

BABerean2 · Mar 15, 2018

To find out who is the woman we must know who is the "man-child" who will rule with a rod of iron?

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Mat 2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.
(Who did Satan use in an effort to destroy the "man-child" as soon as He was delivered?)

Mat 2:8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

Mat 2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

Mat 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

Mat 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

Mat 2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

Mat 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
(Who was the mother of the "man-child"?)

Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
(How long were they in Egypt?)

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phydaux · Mar 15, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
The woman of Revelation 12:6 represents the remnant church that will be preaching in Israel during the tribulation, I believe the 144,000

It is possible they are the 144,000. They can not be the church because the church will have been raptured.

Are you pre-trib yourself? Because if not, we may as well stop now.

phydaux · Mar 15, 2018

BABerean, the man-child is clearly Jesus. The woman is Israel, the manchild is the Messiah.

phydaux · Mar 15, 2018

keras,

See my sig.

Truth7t7 · Mar 15, 2018

phydaux said:
It is possible they are the 144,000. They can not be the church because the church will have been raptured.

Are you pre-trib yourself? Because if not, we may as well stop now.

Truth7t7 · Mar 15, 2018

phydaux said:
It is possible they are the 144,000. They can not be the church because the church will have been raptured.

Are you pre-trib yourself? Because if not, we may as well stop now.

Who are the ones below that have the "Testimony Of Jesus Christ"?

Revelation 12:14KJV
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

BABerean2 · Mar 15, 2018

phydaux said:
Are you pre-trib yourself? Because if not, we may as well stop now.

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Lacunza, Manuel, “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty“
PDF Files

Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

Pretribulationist Revisionism
(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

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phydaux · Mar 15, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Who are the ones below that have the "Testimony Of Jesus Christ"?

Revelation 12:14KJV
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

In the contest of the passage as a whole, they are just what I said previously - Jews who came to faith in the Messiah during the tribulation.

Can we all agree that posting videos and links to pdf files isn't going to change anyone's mind? It seems to me that if we were all up front with each other regarding our various end times slant then it would drastically cut back on the one-upsmanship.

phydaux · Mar 15, 2018

BABerean, my question was directed at Truth7t7. He's the only one that seems to be interested in having a conversation.

Truth7t7 · Mar 15, 2018

phydaux said:
In the contest of the passage as a whole, they are just what I said previously - Jews who came to faith in the Messiah during the tribulation.

Can we all agree that posting videos and links to pdf files isn't going to change anyone's mind? It seems to me that if we were all up front with each other regarding our various end times slant then it would drastically cut back on the one-upsmanship.

Does the scripture below represent your belief in a "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" of the Church to heaven?

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revealing Times · Mar 15, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
The woman being fed in the wilderness in Revelation 12:6 is the "Remnant Church" that the Lord will feed during the 1260 day future tribulation, in the forest of Carmel, Bashan, and Gilead, as in the days of coming out of Egypt, "Manna" from heaven, as clearly seen in Micah 7:14-15 below.

Even when its explained IN THE TEXT you guys somehow miss the plain meanings of the verses, I don't get it to be honest. The Woman and the REMNANT CHURCH are clearly shown as different entities, one is protected and the other is not. Now if one is protected and the other is not how can they be the same entity? LIGHT-SWITCH ON

Rev. 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. { Anti-Christ sends his Army after Israel, the Jews FLEE JUDEA like Jesus warned them because they have REPENTED else they would not heed his voice would they? They are protected for 1260 Days in the Wilderness.}

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. { Just like in Egypt where the Red Sea parted and a Wall of Fire protected Israel, the Earth will help them and keep the Anti-Christ from getting at the Woman (Israel) and they will reside in Petra most people think which is a fortification of sorts also. This ANGERS the Dragon who then sends forth the Anti-Christ after the REMNANT of HER SEED which is of Course Jesus Christ if you read Galatians chapter 3 its plain as day. }

17 And the dragon was wroth{ANGRY} with the woman (Israel), and went (STOPPED GOING AFTER THE WOMAN) to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. { So its very clear here, the Anti-Christ is VERY ANGRY that he can not get at the Jews, (the WOMAN = Israel per Genesis 37:9) and so he THEN GOES AFTER THE Remnant of HER SEED which is the Church of Jesus Christ that is now ON EARTH, whereas the Bride has been Raptured to Heaven, thereby everyone that comes unto Christ after the Rapture will be a part of the REMNANT CHURCH on earth. A Remnant is a small part of something. }

Now is Jesus the SEED of the Woman Israel? Lets let the bible interpret the bible !!

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Now lets reexamine Rev. 12:17, who is Israel's SEED ? Well of course its ONE Jesus Christ the redeemer of all mankind. And thus the REMNANT of her seed do just as verse 12 says, they keep the COMMANDMENTS of Christ Jesus. The Anti-Christ was ANGRY he could not get at Israel the WOMAN so he changes course and goes after the REMNANT CHURCH of Jesus Christ or those that came to Christ after the Rapture.

Did that not ring a bell with you? He can't get at the WOMAN so he goes after one he must CAN GET AT !! They are not, nor can they be, the same entity !!

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