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We have a so called international marriage so there are some cultural differences too. And we got married after maybe 5 dates, without really knowing each other. Her behavior changed completely after we had agreed to marry and many warned to continue but I just somehow did not stop even though it felt very bad all how she treated me. Shortly say, it was emotionally very abusive even during the wedding preparations.

first the month before the wedding she kept me on my toes, "maybe there will be no wedding" and was clearly not open to talk with me. Wedding day was horrible without any communication or warmth of feelings, honeymoon trip was angry times, telling me how we are not married in real, and she will be just a room mate, and about a month to the marriage first time she informed me she has decided to divorce and will leave me. This continued a couple of times more, and generally abusive behavior in many ways and finally I could not physically and emotionally take the silent treatment and emotional abuse and shock of divorce stuff time and time again and left the country. I had developed strong anxiety and stress disorder and half a year later after many tries I got her to accept my invitation to arrive to my country. We even had a new wedding ceremony and right after that she again told me to shut up and not talk to her after guests had gone, I almost started to cry when I realized it happens again after romantic dreams.

Things continued more or less horrible emotionally for a year, and my health kept going worse, and I would need to run out of home as I could not take the shocks emotionally and physically of divorce, somehow that made so strong effect and I was like in a wheel that I could not stop, where stress and emotional shocks and physical problems and sleeplessness together made the world seem very different.

I tried so many times to propose something to improve things, and ask her so much to stop threatening me, before wedding I even told her that it is my achille's heel, weakness and threatening with that destroys me easily and she acknowledged and said she promises to not do it. But it was like i had asked her to do it, as it became a weekly habit for her,when things didn't go like she wanted and now i just see we have spent almost 3 years of life not really moving anywhere.

We have now been separated about 5 months, she has own apartment, I have given her so much different gifts during years most of my all and she even went so far to hide them in case we would have money problems, that she would not lose anything. And when I have pain it is because I did something to deserve it. She is very arrogant and proud in her behavior, not just towards me but generally, and I have not found a way to become close emotionally, I still don't know what she really is, what to think about her, is anything true she tells me. And it seems she finds always something horrible in me, why I am not a good person and it is so strange. As with all other people I usually very easily make friends, and we can talk for hours and they say sweet things about me. But my own wife seems to never want to even learn to know me. She is very active in church, and speaks a lot about how everything is about praying, and has been doing correctly, I was her first relationship but I just don't understand as I never have felt love in her. Some people say that their marriage changed, but this never was anything nice..I cannot have any memories of good times, we just had a handful of dates when she promised me all the things I wanted to hear and proposed her. It was my own choice I don't blame anyone else but this complete situation is just difficult to handle.

She tells me how she has been single for long time, and laughs at me after seeing me wear still wedding ring. She cuts off communication and tells me to find another girl, continue life. And informs me often she is preparing divorce documents in another country.

And then just like yesterday, we had some little communication and i told I met someone that is connected to a very promising workplace I could get a job there, first she said she is happy to hear, and next thing asked if she promised I will have the job, and as such promises were not even on the table, it was unofficial meeting just to get information, she got mad and said basically that she just as open to meet me but after hearing this she doesnt want anymore, that she starts new life with new relationships tomorrow because I met another woman, as a job was not guaranteed it must have been a date with another girl. And this all comes from a person who has last moths just taken all the things I tried to send and give her without any other answer than "I'm single, find new girl, stop talking to me, divorce papers are ready" and now again turning me into monster for just having met a female human being for reasons that were to find a workplace.

It often feels to me she is just trying to find reasons to make me the bad guy and anything I ever seem to ask, to understand her, she just doesn't even answer but changes subject to something else to blame me. I really don't know what to do anymore.

3 years has passed, I know I married in a rush, but also on false promises, she directly lied to me about her personality and promises and I feel this relationship never started even. I feel I know people who I spend a weekend together better than her after 3 years. Gifts she takes and laughs afterwards how I will never see them even if I would need. If I ask for help she just says she cannot help. And asks me always to pray more, to go to church, to have better connection with God, all "normal" things are just a lack of faith and she is very judging towards anything and seems to think her values are so high and all this makes me so much mixed up in my mind when she speaks about the Bible and all and I feel I have never felt anyone close to be so abusive and cold and it is not just a bad mood. it is 3 years and counting.

Now she basically again said there is nothing anymore, she starts new life, and I deserve problems again which I had because I met with this woman to talk about work. I cannot even understand if she is really crazy jealous as she doesn't seem to care for months about my whereabouts or is it just a way to control and feel superiority, i don't know. And I understand husbands should help their spouses spiritually but I just DONT KNOW how to do, she is such a strong person, doesn't want to listen to anyone and not interested to listen, just tells her long monologues and asks then to leave her alone. I am totally clueless how to proceed.
 

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Prayers for you, and a belated welcome to CF.

I'm not sure if you're asking opinions about whether you should stay with your marriage or end it, or if you're asking what's causing the problems, or how to proceed (without knowing what you want to proceed with doing).

I think you see clearly that you married a person without knowing them. There are always two sides to every story, and I wonder how she sees things. But no matter how you look at it, this relationship is very broken.

You say she is very devout,but essentially no Christian church would support this kind of behavior. If you were looking to salvage anything, I would suggest talking to her pastor/priest, jointly and also by yourself. I'm not sure if that's possible. But if you were interested, even some long distance contact might be something to try. That might provide a starting place, depending on her real temperament.

If your concern is about the allowing of divorce, that's something best discussed with your pastor/priest. But essentially Christianity does not expect anyone to endure abuse for the sake of marriage. A person can decide to do so, if they think there is possible redemption in it, but the Church should never demand it.

I know this is all general, but I'm also not sure what you're looking for. Prayers for you. I hope you will seek God and find comfort in Him. And no matter what, I hope you can pray for your wife, no matter what kind of outcome you hope for. It will be good for you spiritually.

God be with you.
 
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I want to answer in 2 posts, because what I think and say is so much less than what I want to offer in another post, so let me offer just my view first, the less important, but perhaps helpful, and then the more important next. So, this is merely my mere opinion and guessing, and not at all the basis for the most key decisions, but at best just an aid about some possibilities. I don't know that you 2 were even truly married, and that's merely a guess, without knowing much, just based on this you've told us in just one post, and I could be wrong, but I think marriage has to be mutual from the beginning or else it isn't even in effect, first, and next, that of course a person can betray their spouse and the betrayed then is no longer truly obligated to remain, and then next, that based only on the limited information, I'm not at all sure she really believes, but she may, I just don't know from this, but I do know that being in a church is definitely not enough to show faith, but instead we know from Christ and the epistles that real faith has real fruits, and if there are some, you didn't mention them, so I wonder if she truly believes (in her heart), see. Now, she may believe, and she may have even truly married you the way I understand (I cannot say), but be simply a deeply troubled person. But it turns out you don't have to try to fix that by yourself, even then! You don't have to alone make everything right, and cannot, but there is Someone Who can, we know, and only He alone is the true ultimate aid we need. So, I'm more worried about you though at the moment, and I want to instead be sure you yourself have what you most need in this situation, which is so much better than any guesses or advice I can. There is one passage I feel I should point to, but there are others also, but here's one:
 
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We have a so called international marriage so there are some cultural differences too. And we got married after maybe 5 dates, without really knowing each other. Her behavior changed completely after we had agreed to marry and many warned to continue but I just somehow did not stop even though it felt very bad all how she treated me. Shortly say, it was emotionally very abusive even during the wedding preparations.

first the month before the wedding she kept me on my toes, "maybe there will be no wedding" and was clearly not open to talk with me. Wedding day was horrible without any communication or warmth of feelings, honeymoon trip was angry times, telling me how we are not married in real, and she will be just a room mate, and about a month to the marriage first time she informed me she has decided to divorce and will leave me. This continued a couple of times more, and generally abusive behavior in many ways and finally I could not physically and emotionally take the silent treatment and emotional abuse and shock of divorce stuff time and time again and left the country. I had developed strong anxiety and stress disorder and half a year later after many tries I got her to accept my invitation to arrive to my country. We even had a new wedding ceremony and right after that she again told me to shut up and not talk to her after guests had gone, I almost started to cry when I realized it happens again after romantic dreams.

Things continued more or less horrible emotionally for a year, and my health kept going worse, and I would need to run out of home as I could not take the shocks emotionally and physically of divorce, somehow that made so strong effect and I was like in a wheel that I could not stop, where stress and emotional shocks and physical problems and sleeplessness together made the world seem very different.

I tried so many times to propose something to improve things, and ask her so much to stop threatening me, before wedding I even told her that it is my achille's heel, weakness and threatening with that destroys me easily and she acknowledged and said she promises to not do it. But it was like i had asked her to do it, as it became a weekly habit for her,when things didn't go like she wanted and now i just see we have spent almost 3 years of life not really moving anywhere.

We have now been separated about 5 months, she has own apartment, I have given her so much different gifts during years most of my all and she even went so far to hide them in case we would have money problems, that she would not lose anything. And when I have pain it is because I did something to deserve it. She is very arrogant and proud in her behavior, not just towards me but generally, and I have not found a way to become close emotionally, I still don't know what she really is, what to think about her, is anything true she tells me. And it seems she finds always something horrible in me, why I am not a good person and it is so strange. As with all other people I usually very easily make friends, and we can talk for hours and they say sweet things about me. But my own wife seems to never want to even learn to know me. She is very active in church, and speaks a lot about how everything is about praying, and has been doing correctly, I was her first relationship but I just don't understand as I never have felt love in her. Some people say that their marriage changed, but this never was anything nice..I cannot have any memories of good times, we just had a handful of dates when she promised me all the things I wanted to hear and proposed her. It was my own choice I don't blame anyone else but this complete situation is just difficult to handle.

She tells me how she has been single for long time, and laughs at me after seeing me wear still wedding ring. She cuts off communication and tells me to find another girl, continue life. And informs me often she is preparing divorce documents in another country.

And then just like yesterday, we had some little communication and i told I met someone that is connected to a very promising workplace I could get a job there, first she said she is happy to hear, and next thing asked if she promised I will have the job, and as such promises were not even on the table, it was unofficial meeting just to get information, she got mad and said basically that she just as open to meet me but after hearing this she doesnt want anymore, that she starts new life with new relationships tomorrow because I met another woman, as a job was not guaranteed it must have been a date with another girl. And this all comes from a person who has last moths just taken all the things I tried to send and give her without any other answer than "I'm single, find new girl, stop talking to me, divorce papers are ready" and now again turning me into monster for just having met a female human being for reasons that were to find a workplace.

It often feels to me she is just trying to find reasons to make me the bad guy and anything I ever seem to ask, to understand her, she just doesn't even answer but changes subject to something else to blame me. I really don't know what to do anymore.

3 years has passed, I know I married in a rush, but also on false promises, she directly lied to me about her personality and promises and I feel this relationship never started even. I feel I know people who I spend a weekend together better than her after 3 years. Gifts she takes and laughs afterwards how I will never see them even if I would need. If I ask for help she just says she cannot help. And asks me always to pray more, to go to church, to have better connection with God, all "normal" things are just a lack of faith and she is very judging towards anything and seems to think her values are so high and all this makes me so much mixed up in my mind when she speaks about the Bible and all and I feel I have never felt anyone close to be so abusive and cold and it is not just a bad mood. it is 3 years and counting.

Now she basically again said there is nothing anymore, she starts new life, and I deserve problems again which I had because I met with this woman to talk about work. I cannot even understand if she is really crazy jealous as she doesn't seem to care for months about my whereabouts or is it just a way to control and feel superiority, i don't know. And I understand husbands should help their spouses spiritually but I just DONT KNOW how to do, she is such a strong person, doesn't want to listen to anyone and not interested to listen, just tells her long monologues and asks then to leave her alone. I am totally clueless how to proceed.


25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”


God bless you.
 
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We have a so called international marriage so there are some cultural differences too. And we got married after maybe 5 dates, without really knowing each other. Her behavior changed completely after we had agreed to marry and many warned to continue but I just somehow did not stop even though it felt very bad all how she treated me. Shortly say, it was emotionally very abusive even during the wedding preparations.

first the month before the wedding she kept me on my toes, "maybe there will be no wedding" and was clearly not open to talk with me. Wedding day was horrible without any communication or warmth of feelings, honeymoon trip was angry times, telling me how we are not married in real, and she will be just a room mate, and about a month to the marriage first time she informed me she has decided to divorce and will leave me. This continued a couple of times more, and generally abusive behavior in many ways and finally I could not physically and emotionally take the silent treatment and emotional abuse and shock of divorce stuff time and time again and left the country. I had developed strong anxiety and stress disorder and half a year later after many tries I got her to accept my invitation to arrive to my country. We even had a new wedding ceremony and right after that she again told me to shut up and not talk to her after guests had gone, I almost started to cry when I realized it happens again after romantic dreams.

Things continued more or less horrible emotionally for a year, and my health kept going worse, and I would need to run out of home as I could not take the shocks emotionally and physically of divorce, somehow that made so strong effect and I was like in a wheel that I could not stop, where stress and emotional shocks and physical problems and sleeplessness together made the world seem very different.

I tried so many times to propose something to improve things, and ask her so much to stop threatening me, before wedding I even told her that it is my achille's heel, weakness and threatening with that destroys me easily and she acknowledged and said she promises to not do it. But it was like i had asked her to do it, as it became a weekly habit for her,when things didn't go like she wanted and now i just see we have spent almost 3 years of life not really moving anywhere.

We have now been separated about 5 months, she has own apartment, I have given her so much different gifts during years most of my all and she even went so far to hide them in case we would have money problems, that she would not lose anything. And when I have pain it is because I did something to deserve it. She is very arrogant and proud in her behavior, not just towards me but generally, and I have not found a way to become close emotionally, I still don't know what she really is, what to think about her, is anything true she tells me. And it seems she finds always something horrible in me, why I am not a good person and it is so strange. As with all other people I usually very easily make friends, and we can talk for hours and they say sweet things about me. But my own wife seems to never want to even learn to know me. She is very active in church, and speaks a lot about how everything is about praying, and has been doing correctly, I was her first relationship but I just don't understand as I never have felt love in her. Some people say that their marriage changed, but this never was anything nice..I cannot have any memories of good times, we just had a handful of dates when she promised me all the things I wanted to hear and proposed her. It was my own choice I don't blame anyone else but this complete situation is just difficult to handle.

She tells me how she has been single for long time, and laughs at me after seeing me wear still wedding ring. She cuts off communication and tells me to find another girl, continue life. And informs me often she is preparing divorce documents in another country.

And then just like yesterday, we had some little communication and i told I met someone that is connected to a very promising workplace I could get a job there, first she said she is happy to hear, and next thing asked if she promised I will have the job, and as such promises were not even on the table, it was unofficial meeting just to get information, she got mad and said basically that she just as open to meet me but after hearing this she doesnt want anymore, that she starts new life with new relationships tomorrow because I met another woman, as a job was not guaranteed it must have been a date with another girl. And this all comes from a person who has last moths just taken all the things I tried to send and give her without any other answer than "I'm single, find new girl, stop talking to me, divorce papers are ready" and now again turning me into monster for just having met a female human being for reasons that were to find a workplace.

It often feels to me she is just trying to find reasons to make me the bad guy and anything I ever seem to ask, to understand her, she just doesn't even answer but changes subject to something else to blame me. I really don't know what to do anymore.

3 years has passed, I know I married in a rush, but also on false promises, she directly lied to me about her personality and promises and I feel this relationship never started even. I feel I know people who I spend a weekend together better than her after 3 years. Gifts she takes and laughs afterwards how I will never see them even if I would need. If I ask for help she just says she cannot help. And asks me always to pray more, to go to church, to have better connection with God, all "normal" things are just a lack of faith and she is very judging towards anything and seems to think her values are so high and all this makes me so much mixed up in my mind when she speaks about the Bible and all and I feel I have never felt anyone close to be so abusive and cold and it is not just a bad mood. it is 3 years and counting.

Now she basically again said there is nothing anymore, she starts new life, and I deserve problems again which I had because I met with this woman to talk about work. I cannot even understand if she is really crazy jealous as she doesn't seem to care for months about my whereabouts or is it just a way to control and feel superiority, i don't know. And I understand husbands should help their spouses spiritually but I just DONT KNOW how to do, she is such a strong person, doesn't want to listen to anyone and not interested to listen, just tells her long monologues and asks then to leave her alone. I am totally clueless how to proceed.

Why did you marry her? And did you ever consummate the marriage? Does she refuse to have children with You?

I'm asking because those things are grounds for annulment.
 
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She is very active in church, and speaks a lot about how everything is about praying, and has been doing correctly,
You should sit down with the pastor/priest of this congregation that she is active in and explain all of this to him.
 
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Why did I marry her? yes it was very quick decision. Without enough consideration. We wrote online and it made to me such an impression that she answered my letter where I told so much from myself and my thoughts for a relationship of happiness for both. I wanted to find a person who I could make happy, to give and trust. To start a family. To have a friend, a lover and a family member. The close person, who likes me as I am. I wrote her about myself long letter and she answered. And she gave basically promises for all but that all would happen after wedding, otherwise we just sit in cafe or walk in a park, so I just did something not considerate and gave her my word after superficial knowledge. It all seemed so good to be true that I wanted to believe.
 
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Why did I marry her? yes it was very quick decision. Without enough consideration. We wrote online and it made to me such an impression that she answered my letter where I told so much from myself and my thoughts for a relationship of happiness for both. I wanted to find a person who I could make happy, to give and trust. To start a family. To have a friend, a lover and a family member. The close person, who likes me as I am. I wrote her about myself long letter and she answered. And she gave basically promises for all but that all would happen after wedding, otherwise we just sit in cafe or walk in a park, so I just did something not considerate and gave her my word after superficial knowledge. It all seemed so good to be true that I wanted to believe.

It sounds like you made a hasty decision in error...because you wanted to believe her. I don't know anyone who would suggest that you get married without even meeting someone first. Most people woud not get married until they've at least dated the person for some time. People can be deceptive for a long time...even in person...so one needs to really try to figure out what a person is truly like before marrying them. Don't feel too bad though...lot's of people on here have made the same mistake.

Without getting into anything too personal...have you consummated the marriage? Did she say she would have children with you...and after you married she's saying she won't?

I'm asking because these things are grounds for annulment...and it sounds like she's used you. Annulment isn't divorce...it's like the marriage never happened in the eyes of the law. I don't know how your church views annulment, but it's possibly the same way.
 
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