Rush Limbaugh supports amnesty provided immigrants can’t vote for up to 25 years

I agree with Rush most of the time but, on this issue he is way out in left field.

Once one is a citizen -- they can vote.

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That's one reason that everyone should know that the point he was making was about the deceit of the Liberals, not that it was a formal proposal that he expected to be debated in Congress.

Kentonio said:

Nice of Rush to admit openly that the only reason he opposes immigration is on strict partisan political grounds.

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So then you agree that illegal aliens are essentially democrats?

NightHawkeye said:

No worries. Rush wasn't entirely serious.

He was making the point that Democrats would never accept such a reasonable proposal.

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Because the only reason to grant them citizenship is to gain votes. That's been their plan all along.

Mountainmanbob said:

I agree with Rush most of the time but, on this issue he is way out in left field.

Once one is a citizen -- they can vote.

M-Bob

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That is why Rush should have said they could have "legal resident status WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BECOMING CITIZENS FOR 25 YEARS."

Don't know off-hand, but perhaps the Constitution says they must be able to apply for citizenship after five years, something like that?
Depending on what "naturalization" in the 14th amendment means. It is indicated that Congress can determine what "naturalization" means.

Veritas said:

Because the only reason to grant them citizenship is to gain votes. That's been their plan all along.

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I disagree. I think that the motivation is compassion. I also realize that people like Rush Limbaugh might not be familiar with that concept.

I actually don't have a problem with this. If people aren't supposed to be here and would otherwise be deported, allowing them to stay and keep a clean record and eventually get the right to vote allows them to come out the shadows and earn a path to citizenship. 25 years is too long, imo. 12-15 sounds better, imo.

They currently pay taxes and don't have representation as is currently in place. I'd would want to see them eligible for other taxpayer benefits sooner though.

JackRT said:

I disagree. I think that the motivation is compassion.

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Seriously? What would make you think so? They didn't do anything for all the years that Obama was in office. Had they done so, or even raised the issue as they are doing now, I might have some sympathy for your thinking...but of course they did not do that.

camille70 said:

I actually don't have a problem with this. If people aren't supposed to be here and would otherwise be deported, allowing them to stay and keep a clean record and eventually get the right to vote allows them to come out the shadows and earn a path to citizenship. 25 years is too long, imo. 12-15 sounds better, imo.

They currently pay taxes and don't have representation as is currently in place. I'd would want to see them eligible for other taxpayer benefits sooner though.

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In that 12-15 years I would include "time served" (so to speak) especially for the dreamers.

JackRT said:

In that 12-15 years I would include "time served" (so to speak) especially for the dreamers.

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And how about passing a test in regards to our laws and Constitution?
M-Bob

Mountainmanbob said:

And how about passing a test in regards to our laws and Constitution?
M-Bob

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Indeed, I suspect a lot of immigrants legal or otherwise are more aware the laws and the constitution than everyday Americans.

Rush Limbaugh supports amnesty provided immigrants can’t vote for up to 25 years

1. What Limbaugh isn't saying is that polls indicate that the majority of Americans are already sympathetic to DACA - the Trump Administration is trying to "piggyback" its less popular "wall funding" and "merit immigration" as part of a bipartisan package deal!

2. The polls and high number of Congressional Republicans deciding not to run in the 2018 Interims point to a loss of GOP majorities in the House and/or Senate in 9 months - this President knows he has to get his wall funding and immigration reform passed before November!

3. Do Republicans, especially during an election year, really want to watch a steady stream of young "Dreamers" being arrested and deported yelling and screaming 24/7 on CNN, MSNBC, CBS and ABC?

Mountainmanbob said:

And how about passing a test in regards to our laws and Constitution?
M-Bob

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Correct! I was taking that for granted.

jgarden said:

3. Do Republicans, especially during an election year, really want to watch a steady stream of young "Dreamers" being arrested and deported yelling and screaming 24/7 on CNN, MSNBC, CBS and ABC?

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No one thinks that will happen--which is one reason that the Democrats are talking up the line about breaking up families and seeming so sincerely concerned about the people they didn't give any particular support to for the previous nine years. For one thing, deporting all would be almost impossible, practically speaking.

Mountainmanbob said:

And how about passing a test in regards to our laws and Constitution?
M-Bob

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Only if this President is prepared to pass the same test - do we expect "Dreamers" to have a better knowledge of the Constitution that the Commander and Chief?

jgarden said:

Only if this President is prepared to pass the same test - do we expect "Dreamers" to have a better knowledge of the Constitution that the Commander and Chief?

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Considering this Commander and Chief, I would certainly hope so!

Albion said:

Democrats
they didn't give any particular support to for the previous nine years.

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Trump is going to take care of this. Taking the issue head-on with action that the Democrats have only talked and cried about.
M-Bob

Veritas said:

So then you agree that illegal aliens are essentially democrats?

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Why do you believe they would vote for democrats?

Mexico/Central American countries are far more conservative than the Democratic party platform.

JackRT said:

In that 12-15 years I would include "time served" (so to speak) especially for the dreamers.

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I don't know the best way to implement it, I just don't think it sounds unreasonable. Technically, they shouldn't be here regardless. Unless they were brought here as children, they have already chosen to live in a country with no citizenship rights and no citizenship safety nets and according the the data that gets cited, they are already paying taxes. Each situation is different. Allowing them to live freely without fear of being deported, or having to be subject to work place abuses, rape, and crime because to seek help risks deportation, would be a good thing, imo. I would think 12-15 or 20 years (25 seems a bit much) from the time they came out of the shadows and made themselves known and applied for amnesty. Otherwise you could have several large groups of non citizens emerging wanting the rights of citizens saying I've been here 20 years now let me vote. Even if they never gain citizenship however, their children would be citizens with full rights. American elections are for Americans, IMO.

Even though immigrants are less likely to commit crimes, etc., I would think time to establish that fact and earn trust after they have essentially broken laws by being here illegally is not unreasonable.