THE LOST SHEEP
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Gettin back to those lost sheep
MATT.15[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.
MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP {V:6} gone from the mountain to the hill. Why? They forgot their resting place
ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of zion shall GO FORTH THE LAW, and THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.
Look what happens in the last days
In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] also says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath.
Zechariah 8 [23] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
The 10 men. The remnant of the 10 {lost} scattered tribes?
MATT.15[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"
JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.
MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP {V:6} gone from the mountain to the hill. Why? They forgot their resting place
ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of zion shall GO FORTH THE LAW, and THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.
Look what happens in the last days
In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] also says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath.
Zechariah 8 [23] Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
The 10 men. The remnant of the 10 {lost} scattered tribes?
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Since Jesus only came for the lost sheep of Israel, you're making your argument in the wrong forum. It's true there is a small group of Israeli present in this forum, but the bulk are gentile. That being the case you have no argument here because gentiles aren't included in that proposition. The deal for me is both the Gospels and Acts don't line up with your point. Therefore they must be wrong an uninspired by God.DEUT.4 [27] And THE LORD SHALL SCATTER YOU AMONG THE NATIONS, AND YE SHALL BE LEFT FEW IN NUMBER AMONG THE HEATHEN, whither the LORD shall lead you.[28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.[29] BUT IF FROM THENCE THOU SHALT SEEK THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT FIND HIM, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.[30] WHEN THOU ART IN TRIBULATION, AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE COME UPON THEE, EVEN IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;[31] (For the LORD thy God is a merciful Godhe will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
The Lord scatters the 10 {lost}tribes of the children of Israel amoung the gentiles for being disobedient. The lost sheep? Look what happens in the latter days.
MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Do you believe Jesus?
JER.50 [4] In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.[5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in A PERPETUAL COVENANT that shall not be forgotten.[6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.
My people hath been lost sheep
they have forgotten their restingplace (they sure have)
let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten (remember the sabbath…)
Well, In Jeremiah we can find the sheep that Jesus came for. The remnant of the lost 10 tribes of the children of Israel, who believe they are nothing more than gentiles. Have the many been decieved, just as the new testament says. The sabbath rest has been forgotten, but as you can see, the lost sheep that Jesus came for will return to the “perpetual covenant” and keep Gods sabbath day. Do you believe these scriptures? If so, where do the gentiles fit in?
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I guess that's a legit line of reasoning.
Here it all falls apart. Your quote says neither Jew... How is it possible to have an Israel with no Jew? Then your quote says: "you are all one in Christ Jesus..." Christ Jesus isn't Israel. Then it says: "heirs according to the promise." It says nothing about involvement of the law. In chapter 4 Paul says to cast out the law by his allegory.
No where in any of John's writings does he talk about a requirement to keep the law. So what are or is the commandment(s) of God of Rev 12? Would I Jn 3:23 meet this requirement? What is the testimony of Jesus?
IOW only natural descendants of Abraham thru Isaac are children of God. I say no because the promise includes blessing all nations. The promise says nothing about all nations becoming Israel. Beside that the Gospel of John disagrees with your view supposedly quoting Jesus in chapters 3, 5 and 10 in addition to John's words
This isn't talking about gentiles becoming Jews. That simply isn't a requirement by the Gospels and evidence found in Acts.
Does this verse say a Scythian (inhabitant of Scythia or modern day Russia) will lose their ethnic heritage? Or the others for that matter.
Where does this passage say anything about becoming Israeli?
Again this isn't talking about gentiles becoming Jews. That simply isn't a requirement by the Gospels and evidence found in Acts.
It's understood your view of this implies only direct descendants of Isaac have the possibility of partaking of this covenant. Problem is the Gospels and Acts don't present or support this.
I don't think this fits your argument being limited to the descendants of Isaac in light of the rest of the chapter (specifically vs 9 and 10). Neither vs 9 or 10 have nothing to do with the law (Genesis-Deuteronomy). This doesn't include the law Abraham kept evidenced by Genesis 26:5. The law came after Abraham (specifically stated from Exodus-Deuteronomy).
This doesn't mean Israel. Again the nations are blessed through the promise. The nations don't become Israel.
This simply isn't true. Read Acts alone. The Gospels of Matthew and John are also great on this.
This isn't a reference to the law. Jesus doesn't take possession of the law. Jesus takes possession of the commandments He gave, not the ones His Father gave. This is even more clear in John 15:10. John 1:17 says Jesus didn't bring the law.
Here you accuse people of sin when the covenant given to Israel has been replaced with a covenant not including the 4th commandment or the rest of the law for that matter.
Both Jeremiah and Hebrews say this new covenant isn't like the previous one. This means it doesn't include the stone tablets. I quote: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
If a person isn't in compliance with Exodus 20:8-11 they're keeping the traditions of man.
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Here you deleted what is called "the law."
I would however like to call attention to your quote from John 10 -
8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn't listen to them.
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Here you quote only the last third of a sentence. Why? Personally I don't accept Jeremiah changing subjects mid sentence. What you didn't quote is - Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
Notice the colon?
The new covenant dosen't include the old covenant. Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. One and two aren't the same thing.
This doesn't say the law is an obligation for the Christian.
No because of Jeremiah 31:32 and Luke 22:20. Of course there are others like Luke 16:16 which declare the law and prophets are merely history. Romans 10:4 and Galatians 3:19 also are very good ones.
We don't take them away. God replaced them as Jesus Himself said. Oh you want the verse again because the promise alone isn't good enough - Luke 22:20.
Wrong verse but I do agree Jesus said His words won't pass away in Matthew 5:18. Jesus didn't say the law covenant won't pass away.
I agree, but for who?
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Please note this doesn't include the Christian who has bee declared righteous and already passed the judgment (John 5:24).
The Christian no longer need s the mirror because they are led by the Spirit and not the mirror.
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Yes it is it is only scripture as is much of the post you are quoting from. I cannot take any credit for it however as it is God's Word and not my own. Ok let's look at everything you have said and compare it to God's Word.....
It does not fall apart my friend it is the Word of God and is FOREVER and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. The scripture you part quoted was....
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).
Which is to say that you are Abrahams seed (Israel) if you are in Christ. You are God's Israel if you are in Christ
Then the next part of the scripture you did not quote after is... FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.
Yep seems God knows what he is saying here If we are Christs in the NEW Covenant then we are indeed God's Israel.
Ineed it does because the promise with to Abrahams and his seed to make the great nation of God's Israel who are those that BELIEVE the Word of God and FOLLOW it.
You seem to have the meaning mixed up Goalatains 4 is referring to those in the FLESH (SIN) or bondwomen and those of the free women (RIGHTEOUSNESS). God's LAW (10 Commandments) is a law of liberty through FAITH in God's WORD from SIN...
James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be JUDGED BY THE LAW OF LIBERTY
This also links to what Jesus says about being a servant to SIN......
John 8
31, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD, THEN ARE YOU MY DISCIPLES INDEED;
32, And ye shall know the truth, AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, TRULY TRULY I SAY TO YOU WOSOEVER COMMITS SIN IS A SERVANT TO SIN.
35, And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36, IF THE SON SHALL THEREFORE MAKE YOU FREE YOU SHALL BE FREE INDEED.
Paul is talking about being free to follow God and OBEDIENCE to God's LAW through FAITH not abolishing God's LAW so you are free to SIN. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it OUT of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
Well that has no truth in it whatsoever. By quoting 1 John 3:23 you have missed a lot of CONTEXT. Let's look at the CONTEXT you left out and supporting topical scriptures.
You quote 1 John 3:23 which says; v23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
You interpret the scripture as meaning this is all God requires and God's LAW (10 Commandments) are abolished. Yet the CONTEXT of this and the proceeding Chapter 2 is SIN and how those who practice SIN do not KNOW God and a deceivers and liars.
Let's start of by seeing how God's Word defines SIN.....
James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW
links to...........
1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
Links to...........
Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)
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Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.
God's Word is in disagreement with you my friend. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
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God's Word says SIN in breaking God's LAW; Now that we have the definition of Sin from God’s WORD let’s look at the CONTEXT of the SCRIPTURE you quoted earlier…..
1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
8, He that commits SIN <breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Some key points..........
v4. SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE
Links to what Jesus says in Matthew..............
Matthew 7
21, Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THE DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN <FAITH THAT WORKS BY Love and OBEDIENCE>
22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU <1 John 3:6 = has not seen him or known him because they break God's LAW and practice SIN>: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY (SIN)
Now all of the above is the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23-24 which says that it is the breaking of God's 10 commandments that is SIN and those who SIN do not KNOW God
LOVE is indeed the fulfilling of God's LAW but what does it mean to love one another? Now lets look at LOVE and how it links to FAITH and OBEDIENCE and 1 John 3:23-24.
What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.................
Matthew 22
36, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37, Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38, This is the first and great commandment.
39, And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40, ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
Let's get clearer......................................................
Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>
Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.
What about James................................................................
James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.
What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word...........................
Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.
Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)
So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what are talking about, God’s Law of Love is God's 10 commandments.
It is only through Faith that works by love that anyone can walk in the Spirit which produces the fruit of obedience because love is the fulfilling of God’s Law in those that walk by faith and not by sight. This is the context and meaning of the scripture you quoted earlier in
1 John 2:23-24.
No it is talking about God's definition of a Jew or BELIEVER as those who have a change of heart to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD in LOVE and combines with all the other scriptures showing that God's Israel in the NEW COVENANT is not JEW or GENTILE but all those who are BELIEVERS and FOLLOWERS of God's Word. This is God's Israel.
This has nothing to do with God's Word and the definition of Israel under the NEW Covenant in God's WORD
Why does it have to highighted in bold above; it links with earlier scriptures that say Abraham’s seed is Israel.........
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).
FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)
There is no difference in the NEW COVENANT those who call on the name of the Lord will be saved and God's Israel are those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.
It is not my view at all it is God's Word and the scriptures are the NEW Covenant promise to ISRAEL as defined by the Word of God in the NEW Covenant as those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's Israel then of course the NEW Covenant promise is NOT for you.
Of course it does Abrahams seed = Israel according to the promise.
The rest of your post is only repetition already covered above. Did you need any more scripture?
If you disagree please state why you disagree and provide your scriptures. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.
Those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God are God's Israel accoring to God's Word in the NEW COVENANT.
So NOPE your argument is that God's LAW (10 Commandment) only applies to the NATION of Israel. It seems that God's Word disagrees with your interpretation of who God's Israel is under the NEW COVENANT. God's Israel under the NEW COVENANT are those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God and therefore God's LAW (10 Commandments) has the same role it always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Good and Evil)
God's LAW is the standard in the OLD and NEW Covenant and the Judgement to come.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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So your going to answer the questions or your not gping to answer the questions in the post you quoted? The scripture was quoted for the point it was making and that was the purpose of the NEW COVENANT is God's LAW written in the HEART to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE the Word of God. This is the NEW Covenant. I was never arguing that this is not the NEW Covenant for God's Iseal. Only you are doing this.
What is the OLD Covenant to you mean? What is the difference between the Old Covenant laws. If you cannot understand what the OLD Covenant is how can you understand what the NEW Covernant is? Look forward to your reply so we are talking abou the same thing here.
In the scriptures you quoted above in Hebrews 10. What does it mean to you when it says he taketh away the first that he might establsih the second (Scripture please)? Look forward to your reply.
Amazing. You are really teaching against God's LAW and the prophets aren't you? This is something Jesus never did (Matthew 5:17-19). So in your view the above scripture in not for Christians when God's Word says; All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. (2 Tim 3:16). Seems like God's Word disagrees with you here my friend. We cannot pick and choose scripture we like and do not like here. It is God's Word and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.
Seems God's Word would disagree with you again....
The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14).
God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).
It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).
God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35).
Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.).
The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).
It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31).
God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).
Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matt 5:17-20 ).
The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Rom 2:18-19 ).
It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14 Romans 7:22 ).
The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Gal 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law ( Rom 3:31 ), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit ( Rom 8:4 ) through love ( Rom 13:10 ).
You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.
Romans 2:12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law
Yes Christ is the end of the LAW not meaning God's LAW (10 commandments) is ABOLISHED because if God's LAW was abolished there would be NO KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20) If there was no knowledge of SIN there would be no need for a Savior as no one would know they are SINNERS. IF we have no need of a Savior then we have no salvation. If we have NO Salvation then we are LOST and still IN our SINS.
What the scripture is talking about is that God's LAW brings us to Jesus. It shows us who we are because God's LAW is the standard of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. It is the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil. It shows us that we are ALL SINNERS in need of a Savior and as the scriptures say.......
God's LAW is our school master that leads us to Christ that we might be justified by FAITH that is the meaning of Christ being the END of the LAW it means the God's LAW brings the SINNER to the CROSS
You cannot separate God's LAW (10 commandments) from GRACE the one leads to the other.
GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) KNOWLEDGE of SIN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHRIST (end)
Christ is the END of the LAW the one leads to the other. The scripture does NOT say God's LAW is abolished which is how you are interpreting it.
There is a mountain of scripture presented here that disagrees with you. I suggest you read the scriptures and pray about it. If you still disagree please by all means adress the post and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. Even the few scriptures you presented only support what I have already posted here.
Once again what you have posted does not adress the scriptures that you are trying t post against.
Yes thanks it was the wrong verse typo. It should be changed from Matthew 25:35 to Matthew 24:35 corrected above. God's LAW is God's WORD spoken by him personally to God's people it does not pass away as the scripture says it doesn't. So NO God's Word (10 Commandments) does not pass away it is Forever (supporting scriptures already shown above)
Lovely scriptures you quoted there but they only support the scriptures I have presented already.
Now my friend here is where you fall down again saying that the scriptures quoted above are not for Christians; despite God's Word saying that All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16) and Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4)
Did God's 10 Commandments proceed out of the mouth of God? Seems God's Word disagrees with you here.
It is written that God ONLY gives the Holy Spirit to those who OBEY him. Those that are still practicing KNOWN SIN have not seen him or KNOW him (Acts 5:32; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6; Hebrews 10:26-27)
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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I'm truly sorry you take that as some sort of endorsement or agreement with your presentation.
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I really thought I answered your question about what I believe the Old Covenant is. The contents of the Old Covenant are contained in the Book of the Law primarily Exodus thru Deuteronomy. Moses says clearly several times it applies only to Israel. Your contention is it applies to all mankind. All I can say is read what is there. I'm very familiar with the SDA argument. I've both studied with them and have had lengthy associations lasting years. I've inherited some very collectable SDA literature from deceased family members. The last one couldn't believe I had an answer for everything they said. They couldn't prove me wrong in almost a decade. Because their approach is much the same as yours and Mormons specifically I had to tell them to not come back to my property.
No where have I argued the New Covenant is for Israel only. Israel isn't the Church as you have been showed from Scripture. I s'pose you need it again to ignore. You'll never see me argue the Church is God's Israel. That simply isn't supportable with Scripture.
I see no point in continuing with the rest of your post for these reasons.
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Oh but they are
MATTHEW 15 [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD: Them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
OTHER SHEEP I HAVE.....These “other sheep” are the gentile believers
ISAIAH 56 [1] Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for MY SALVATION IS NEAR to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. [3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [4] For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; [5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, EVERY ONE THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, YET WILL I GATHER OTHERS TO HIM, beside those that are gathered unto him.
YET WILL I GATHER OTHERS. Yes, the “others” are the gentiles. As plain as the nose on my face, these “others” are keeping Gods sabbath day. They have taken hold of His covenant. No way around it. So, have “many” come in the name of Jesus and decieved many as the bible said would happen? I reckon so. You must be keeping the sabbath in order to be saved to the kingdom. And not only the sabbath, but you must observe to keep all ten.
PSALM 132 [12] IF THY CHILDREN WILL KEEP MY COVENANT AND MY TESTIMONY that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.[13] For the Lord hath chosen zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. [14] THIS IS MY REST FOR EVER: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.
Once again found in the scriptures. Who are the children that will joining Jesus in His rest? They who keep the covenant {ten commandments} and the testimony {of Jesus}
REV.12 [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Yup. Those guys
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If you read the NT, I truly believe you don't understand what is written there or you're simply ignoring it.
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Well, below are a few NEW COVENANT scriptures
DO YOU WANT ETERNAL LIFE
MATT.19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, GOOD MASTER, WHAT GOOD THING SHALL I DO, THAT I MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
DO YOU KNOW GOD
1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
HAVE YOU BEEN TAUGHT “JUST BELIEVE” AND YOU WILL BE SAVED
JAMES 2 [19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, and tremble.
DO YOU LOVE GOD
1 JOHN 5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. [2] BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
DO YOU WANT GODS HOLY SPIRIT
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
HAS HEAVEN AND EARTH PASSED – YIKES! WHAT AM I STANDING ON?
MATT.5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
WANT TO BE ONE OF GODS SAINTS
REV.14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, and the faith of Jesus
BEEN TAUGHT DUE TO FAITH WE NEED NOT KEEP GODS COMMANDMENTS
ROMANS 3 [31] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
WANT TO ENTER THE CITY - THE 1000yr PERIOD OF REST
REV.22 [14] Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city
FROM THE WRITINGS OF PAUL
1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS of God.
Tell me Listed, do you believe those NEW COVENANT scriptures?
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So, quite simply, do you obey all 613 commandments gave to His covenant people Israel? If not, why not?
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So you want me to say no. That simply wouldn't be true. How does you quote square with John 5:24 or John 10 for instance? Can you please quote anything from the OT indicating keeping the law grants eternal life?
But what are His commandments and who is the pronoun "his" talking about?
That lines up perfectly with John 3:16 and 5:24. Are they true or are they only words I want to hear and accept? I take 5:24 as the words of Jesus.
Redemption isn't available to devils.
I think you're merely using a verse out of context. As above you need to say what words in the quote mean to be of any vallue.
Again what commandments? The word "my" is possessive. What commandments are Jesus saying to keep? Remember He owns them which means He gave them. Jesus didn't give or bring the law. John 1:17 says so.
- So why is Luke 24:44 ignored?
- Why is Hebrews 7:12 ignored?
- Why is Hebrews 10:9 ignored?
- Why is Romans 10:4 ignored?
- Why is Galatians 3:19 ignored?
You have to indicate what commandments you're talking about to to be understood properly. You're most likely implying the ten commandments. Problem is no where does John talk about such a requirement.
On the contrary, I've not been taught to sin.
Yes I want to enter the city.
Here are the instructions of Jesus about entering the city from John -
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
What are you implying here? Doesn't it violate my quote of John 10?
Yes. Are my Scriptures the NT Scriptures? Do you believe them?
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Thank you for providing the detailed response which I was too lazy to do. It was quite excellent.
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