Vatican: Papal honor for pro-abortion politician not a sign of support

Davidnic said:

https://c-fam.org/friday_fax/dutch-abortion-advocate-not-invested-papal-order/

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so why was she given the medal?

Seems it was in a Diplomatic exchange pouch...a common thing but that medal is normally not in those since it requires a Bishop to recommend and invest. So it seems careless mistake from someone in the diplomat corps.

In some countries sometimes an accidental emblem gets exchanged. The normal process is not to publicise it and give it back. As C-Fam mentioned no one would have known had the Dutch not decided to try to claim something about it that was not. The local Bishop confirms it is not invested or requested to have been given.

"Accident"

Since there was no investiture yes....accident. It can not be presented outside of investiture.

SaNcTaMaRiA said:

Clearly a miss step by Francis. Which honestly catches me off guard as he has always been an ardent defender of life...even in politics.

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A Lot of missteps for the Pope lately. But I don’t believe they are Missteps. I think his comments should be taken at face value and judged as such.

Makes you happy doesn’t it.

The Pope does not personally fill diplomatic pouches.

Michie said:

I have to say that just the sheer fact that this papacy needs do many apologists makes me very uncomfortable.

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sometimes life is uncomfortable
I hope I do not sound glib or dismissive
think of ancient Israelite
this was under King Rehoboam, the grandson of David
1 Kings 14:22-24
" 22 And Juda did evil in the sight of the Lord, and provoked him above all that their fathers had done, in their sins which they committed.
23 For they also built them altars, and statues, and groves upon every high hill and under every green tree:
24 There were also the effeminate in the land, and they did according to all the abominations of the people whom the Lord had destroyed before the face of the children of Israel"

I am sure many pious Jews were uncomfortable with what was going on
but Israel was still a nation dedicated to God, and He worked through it to bless the nations

this is what we have now, wicked leaders, men who have turned their backs on the ways of their grandfathers and take up the customs of nations, worshiping strange gods and committing abominations while weak, sinful, or just incompetent lead many astray

it is not comfortable
but the Christian life is not about comfort, it is about fidelity to God
that His will, not ours, is done

God bless you

Davidnic said:

The Pope does not personally fill diplomatic pouches.

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I was conflating his Chilaen comments with this most recent gaff.
David, what are your thoughts regarding the Pontiff’s recent Chilaen comments?

When he keeps doing the same thing it's like him saying, "I meant to do that."

David has been bobbing and weaving in regards to the Chilaen comments.

eastcoast_bsc said:

David has been bobbing and weaving in regards to the Chilaen comments.

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I don't recall making a comment on those comments. If you mean I was on and offline...I was doing other things and checking reports and other forums before bed. My thoughts on those comments are that he was unnecessarily harsh. Where he is right is that although there is ample evidence against Karadima there is not really evidence of a coverup by Bishop Barros. Personally I think the the Pope is a bit overprotective of him (Bishop Barros) and it showed in his snap comments. He needs to be better thought out from the pov of the victims in such situations and less off the cuff in general. Now he did not aim the comment directly at the victims but at the rumors about the Bishop. So the headlines that he accused the victims of slander are a bit misstating it. But functionally if I was a victim I would feel it aimed at me if I believed in the coverup.

So I think the comments he made lacked prudence and charity. I also think they are being misrepresented as being aimed at the victims accusing them of slander. But if I was a victim I would not see a functional difference, even if that was not his intent.

I think the Pope goes off the cuff on many topics and on one like this it can be devastating to victims, even if he intends to justly defend the bishop, so he should not have done that. He could have waited and made a statement that was more complete.