The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?

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A person can't violate something they aren't subject to.

"the saints keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is keeping the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the Word which you have heard.

Heb 8:6-12 Christ is the One speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai

Matt 19 Christ said "KEEP the Commandments" and is asked "which ones". The LIST Christ gives is the same one Paul gives in Romans 13 having to do with loving your neighbor.

Matt 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Same list given in Romans 13

Matt 22 - Christ tells us all of scripture (the Law AND the prophets) are founded on TWO Commandments. Love for God and Love for your Neighbor.

In no list in the NT do we find "do not take God's name in vain"...

But it is included just the same -- James 2 "he who breaks one breaks them all"

Ephesians 6:2 Paul appeals to the ENTIRE UNIT of TEN noting that the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment" in that unit "with a promise"
 
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"the saints keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is keeping the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31



1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
What does John say the commandment of God is in v 23? Is it the ten commandments? What did Jesus ask us to do if we love Him? Your favorite verse Jn 14:15 will do here.
7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the Word which you have heard.
Which beginning is John talking about here? Is it Sinai or something more recent? I ask because John is talking to Christians, not unregenerate unbelievers.
Heb 8:6-12 Christ is the One speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai
No that isn't true. Verse 9 proves the point.
Matt 19 Christ said "KEEP the Commandments" and is asked "which ones".
What you're trying to say here is taking the verse out of context and disagrees with the OT and the Gospel of John. Posting the passages has no value in any exchange with you and therefore not quoted.
The LIST Christ gives is the same one Paul gives in Romans 13 having to do with loving your neighbor.
So what is your point? Similarities exist?
Matt 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Same list given in Romans 13
So what. The question the man asked is being ignored to prove your point. Paul says salvation is a free gift. No one can earn it by keeping the law.
Matt 22 - Christ tells us all of scripture (the Law AND the prophets) are founded on TWO Commandments. Love for God and Love for your Neighbor.
Yes He does. Now where did you say Jesus requires more than His substitionary work for salvation? Jn 10 says trying other things besides going through Him is thievery. Thieves won't get in. Everyone enters through the Door only. No one can climb in or bypass the Door. I know you'll reject this. That is on you not me.
In no list in the NT do we find "do not take God's name in vain"...
Big deal. In light of the Gospels I don't see your point.
But it is included just the same -- James 2 "he who breaks one breaks them all"

Ephesians 6:2 appeals to the ENTIRE UNIT of TEN noting that the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment" in that unit "with a promise"
You really have a problem because you habitually break a commandment the 4th to be specific. Habitual prove lack of repentance. Isn't there a verse about it?
 
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Heb 8:6-12 Christ is the One speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai

No that isn't true. Verse 9 proves the point

Yes it is true.

Heb 8

6 But now He (CHRIST) has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He (CHRIST) is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He (CHRIST) says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
11 “And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For all will know Me,
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
And I will remember their sins no more.”

1.Christ was speaking at Sinai. Those are Christ's LAWS ... Christ's Commandments

2. Christ is speaking in Matt 19

Matt 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Same list given in Romans 13

.So what is your point? Similarities exist?So what.

The obvious point is that the list of commandments did not

"get deleted" after the cross as if to say that instead of the Covenants changing what actually changed was God's Word His Commandments. The Commandments remained as they were - the "conditions" the "agreement" is what changed.

Thus it is "still a sin to take God's name in vain" even AFTER the cross.

. Paul says salvation is a free gift. No one can earn it by keeping the law.

Which is what the New Covenant solves -- the "LAW" that defines sin is the moral law of God - the TEN Commandments is included in that law that defines sin.

The lost cannot keep the moral law of God -- "all have sinned" but the solution God implements is not to "cancel the command to not take God's name in vain as if that is no longer sin" -- the solution is the New Creation, forgiveness of sins and THAT LAW written on the heart.

That LAW that Jeremiah and his readers knew of as the moral law of God that defines what sin is.
 
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You are going back to the same strawman argument. My guess is that you will repeat this 1000 times. Saturday is the Sabbath. Why not argue that I think the sky is not blue, that because it is blue, I should join your sect?
Interesting that you cannot answer that simple question... or refuse to.

Nobody has ever asked you to become a SDA have they? No... just to honour God by keeping ALL His commandments.

Why do you disregard the7th day Sabbath and under whose authority do you do this?
 
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Here's my position on you and the matter - you refuse anything anyone says that doesn't agree with you. That being true there is really no need to post any
Scripture for you. Pearls are precious. It's wasted time and effort. We have a new covenant you refuse to accept.
I cannot refuse what I have not received... I suggest you don't have that pearl of wisdom you claim and therefore cannot give it.

Give us one verse where Jesus said to disregard the 4th Commandment...
 
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Now where did you say Jesus requires more than His substitionary work for salvation?

Are you asking me if Romans 2:13 and Matthew 7:21-23 are true?

Matt 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

So while we can agree that this is not how the lost "get saved" we cannot then go on to try and wage war against such texts as if urging New Covenant Christians to ignore them.
 
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Jesus did so with LK 22:20. Yes you go - huh? you're crazy man. Jesus replaced the whole old covenant with that statement.
Acts 20:19,20
And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.
And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor.


I added inverse 19 for context... seems that this verse speaks nothing of what you contended above... is this one of your "pearls" seems you have been given? Me thinks you have a handful of glass beads.
You've been quoted Mat 11:28-30 before.
Beautiful verse...but it says nothing of rescinding the 4th Commandment. It is expounding on the 4th Commandment as He taught us about anger being the same as murder and lust in the heart being the same as adultery. Jesus is indeed our spiritual rest but we still have that physical rest that He has ordained for us.
 
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Especially the Cretans. The only others would have been in the gates of a law abiding Israeli.

On your other issue - has anyone here said Saturday isn't the sabbath?Then why is it the issue of worship on the sabbath is used to prove obligations of the law have been met?No wonder so many non Christians don't like the 4th commandment of law. I don't live in an apartment in the city. I'm never bored because there isn't something that needs immediate attention.The sabbath is over at dusk. You've got no valid argument.No the subject is judging another with details about 2 major contentions. Verse 5 says nothing about food. That means it also doesn't connect food with the sabbath or any other holy day of the law.Neither is it judging Christians for not keeping the rites of the sabbath.Does your church receive money during church services? What day is that? Why should the Corinthian Church require its adherents to bring money only on days they don't meet for worship?Where does the Bible say anything about the sabbath during those 40 days? Remember the importance of the sabbath.Mute point. There's no mention of the all important day during that period of time. In fact the only day pointed to is the first day of the week - Sunday. The same place He went around establishing sabbath churches.Read those events of the last supper for yourself. There is a replacement with the announcement of Jesus about the new testament (covenant). Ludicrous in light of my comment above.Good point! No church accepts a biblical tithe.So you don't like Christianity. Guess that is all the reason you need to attack it on a Christian forum in a section for Christians only. That is exactly what the sabbatarians are doing here. They should be banned from this section.If you don't comply fully with the 4th commandment your guilty of doing the same in the name of a woman. I see no difference.

People on here MANY times argue the Sabbath was replaced with the Lords Day, so if you were even remotely active in this section of the forum, you would see what Im talking about.

In regards to Acts 20:7, I have a very valid argument, and have addressed it before, but you seem to be very emotianl in your repsonces because they are making no sense and you are not trying to understand any context.

Again with Romans 14, read the ENTIRE chapter and you will understand it correctly.

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.

Verses 1-3 easily tell you what the issue is about, so the context of verse 5 is about the verses before it.

Again with Col 2, read and get the context, not a cherry picked verses, ignoring everything leading up to it and after it as well. It would make no sense for Paul to tell people not to let people judge for for not keeping the commandments, as that makes no sense on him saying to not let anyone judge you your disobeying God vs saying dont let anyone judge you for actually keeping the commandments in the Pagan nation they came from.

In regards to 1 Cor 16:2, you once again have missed the entire point, as I was pointing out that verse is used ALL the time to say this was an example of them coming together for a worship service to take up a collection.

And pretty much for the rest of your replies, shows you are still highly emotional and have no effort in trying to understand scriputre in context.

The last supper is saying his blood replaced the blood of animals in the New Covenant, he was not abolishing Passover at the last supper.


You can address alot of the issues in modern Christainty and NOT be attacking it, so please clam down with your overly emotional responces, if anyone should be banned, its you for having zero contextual understanding of scriptures, but trying to debate with people.


And with your last you, you make even less sense, IM A NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIAN that goes to church on Sunday, Im NOT a SDA, COG, Messianic Jew, Hebrew Israelite or any of those groups, Im just real with myself and look at the bible in the context it was back in the day before RCC and modern day Christianity has butchered the bible out of context. Remember it was Hebrew book with Hebrew culture and trying to translate it in a western culture mindset is why we have so many errors in doctrines now.
 
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Interesting that you cannot answer that simple question... or refuse to.

Nobody has ever asked you to become a SDA have they? No... just to honour God by keeping ALL His commandments.

Why do you disregard the7th day Sabbath and under whose authority do you do this?
Where are you going to point us if we submit to your idea?
 
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Acts 20:19,20
And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.
And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor.


I added inverse 19 for context... seems that this verse speaks nothing of what you contended above... is this one of your "pearls" seems you have been given? Me thinks you have a handful of glass beads.
No Sheep dog referenced Luke 22, not 20. And your reference is Acts while quoting Luke. There's nothing in your quote remotely dealing with his reference.
Beautiful verse...but it says nothing of rescinding the 4th Commandment. It is expounding on the 4th Commandment as He taught us about anger being the same as murder and lust in the heart being the same as adultery. Jesus is indeed our spiritual rest but we still have that physical rest that He has ordained for us.
Replacement of the covenant replaces the 4th commandment of the old covenant. Hebrews 10.
 
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People on here MANY times argue the Sabbath was replaced with the Lords Day, so if you were even remotely active in this section of the forum, you would see what Im talking about.
Why are you being nasty to Sheep dog. If you look at his post count, he's pretty new here. Give him a break.
 
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Where are you going to point us if we submit to your idea?
You need to be pointed somewhere? As in, you don't feel you can gain any spiritual knowledge and strength unless you belong to an organization... a denomination? Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. But, only to the humble contrite and seeking suppliant.
 
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No Sheep dog referenced Luke 22, not 20. And your reference is Acts while quoting Luke. There's nothing in your quote remotely dealing with his reference.Replacement of the covenant replaces the 4th commandment of the old covenant. Hebrews 10.
Thank you for the correction. I don't know how I missed that one...lol

As far as the replacement of the 4th Commandment, it's odd that none of the other 9 Commandments were replaced by this new covenant. How do you explain that?
 
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Interesting that you cannot answer that simple question... or refuse to.

You are asking a loaded question, one based on a faulty premise. It is like asking me why I hate Jesus and then saying I am refusing to answer the question. Your sect is based on convincing people someone changed the Sabbath. So you ask me, as your sect asks others, this strawman argument. You try to convince people they think Saturday is not the Sabbath, when I have repeatedly told you it is. You tell people they go to Church on Sunday because someone changed the Sabbath. No, they go to Church on Sunday because Christians met since the time of the apostles, as I pointed out in Acts, on a Sunday. That Christians worship on Sunday has nothing to do with thinking it is the Sabbath.

But you will just go back to telling me I that Christians worship on Sunday because it is the Sabbath in their minds, when it isn't, therefore, they are disregarding a commandment, which they are not.

Nobody has ever asked you to become a SDA have they? No... just to honour God by keeping ALL His commandments.

Why do you disregard the7th day Sabbath and under whose authority do you do this?

I don't. I already told you the seventh day is the Sabbath. Why are you asking me a question about something I have repeatedly told you is a strawman argument.
 
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I find that you would admit that to be "interesting"

I didn't use that word in what you quoted. What are you talking about?

State a fact that is first accurate and second ... in your favor.

What about it wasn't factual.

State a fact that is ... in your favor.

I assume by in my favor you mean coincides with what I have written. SDAs argue, falsely, that Christians worship on Sunday because they think Sunday is the Sabbath. So, I affirm, as everyone affirms, that Saturday is the Sabbath and worshiping on Sunday has nothing to do with replacing it as the Sabbath.

Your bad argument thus fails, but in your mind saying Saturday is the Sabbath is an argument in your favor, not mine.

But your SDA mind goes go right back to the old, bad, strawman argument. But.. Christians MUST worship on Sunday because they think it is the Sabbath! They are Sabbath transgressors! No, Saturday is the Sabbath, we worship on Sunday because that is the day of the resurrection. We know this from early writings. We know this from finding isolated groups of Christians.

But you worship on Sunday because you think it is the Sabbath!!
No, how many times does this need to be said.

There are a few occasions where Christians "Christians gathered on Sundays" but for what?

Acts 18:4 both gentiles AND Jews gathered "every Sabbath" for Gospel preaching.

That's not what that verse is saying. I can't imagine what disregard for context and mental gymnastics you did to yourself to think that. Paul went to synagogues on Saturday and reasoned with Jews and Greeks there. He went there looking to bring people to Christ. That says nothing about Jews and Greeks going to Paul to worship. In fact, the very next verses say:
"And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean; from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles."
 
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Why do you disregard the7th day Sabbath and under whose authority do you do this?

I don't. I already told you the seventh day is the Sabbath. Why are you asking me a question about something I have repeatedly told you is a strawman argument.

Do you keep it holy as we are commanded? Do you cease from your work/pleasures on the 7th day and focus solely on God, His creation and His Son?
 
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Do you keep it holy as we are commanded? Do you cease from your work/pleasures on the 7th day and focus solely on God, His creation and His Son?

Your question is disturbing.

Only a brainwashing cult would tell people to go a day without experiencing pleasure. Where are you getting that? It is not from the bible. You should find pleasure in worship. You should find pleasure in the beauty of the sunrise and sunset, in the warmth during a cold day, or the cool of the shade or the wind on a hot day. You should find pleasure in the company of your friends, your family, and your church community which you have given time to outside of the normal week.

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Into what have you made the Sabbath?
 
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I am trying to do some research on what day the Sabbath was originally honored and when did it change if it changed and does it matter?

The Catholic Church claims responsibility for the change from seventh-day to first-day Sabbath. Some of the following are from “their” publications … if one has a problem with them then talk to them about them …. not me.

Here is an explanation from The Catechism of the Catholic Church Section 2 Article 3 (1994):

Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the Sabbath...

The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ...

In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal holidays.

And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.


Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.i

John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: 472-473:
John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: 472-473: "The third commandment is: 'Remember thou keep ...

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):

Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.


Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To-Day (London: Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:

Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.


The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893):

The Catholic Church, for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...

The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation, "Seventh-day Adventists."


Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, Kansas City, MO:
It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodicea, AD 364, anathematized those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema.

John Henry Newman

Public Domain File:John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais, 1st Bt.jpg - Wikipedia Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, lecture at Hartford, KS, Feb 18, 1884:

I have repeatedly offered $1000 to any one who can furnish any proof from the Bible that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep...The Bible says, “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy,” but the Catholic Church says, “No, keep the first day of the week,” and the whole world bows in obedience.


Cardinal John Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (London: Basil Montague Pickering, 1878): 373:

The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holy days and seasons…are all of pagan origin and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.


Catholic Record (September 1, 1923):

The [catholic] Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.


Pope Leo XIII, Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), June 20, 1894: 

We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.


“Pope,” Ferraris’ Ecclesiastic Dictionary:

The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God.


Our Sunday Visitor (April 18, 1915): 3:

The letters inscribed in the Pope’s miter are these: VICARIUS FILLII DEI, which is the Latin for, “Vicar of the Son of God.”

Letter from C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons on October 28, 1895:

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.


American Catholic Quarterly Review (January 1883):

Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.


Catholic American Sentinel (June 1893):

Sunday...It is a law of the Catholic Church alone...


S.C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica (1969): 366-367:

Not the Creator of the Universe in Genesis 2:1-3, but the Catholic Church “can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days.”


“The Question Box,” The Catholic Universe Bulletin (August 14, 1942): 4:

The (Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter, the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.


Arthur Weigall, The Paganism in Our Christianity (New York: Putnam’s Sons, 1928): 145:

The Church made a sacred day of Sunday…largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and to give them a Christian significance.


John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: the Credentials of the Catholic Religion Revised Edition (Our Sunday Visitor Publishing, 1974): 400-401:

But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics, who claim to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon and explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away—like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.

go read about Constantine

Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306 to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign. Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine.”i
Constantine's Conversion by Peter Paul Rubens Source: Wikimedia Commons.
Constantine's Conversion by Peter Paul Rubens

Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321. It says this:

On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.ii

Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:

Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321 A.D.

Following this initial legislation, both emperors and Popes in succeeding centuries added other laws to strengthen Sunday observance. What began as a pagan ordinance ended as a Christian regulation. Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of Laodicea (circa 364 AD):

Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.

Personal Note(s):

I find it very strange that most “christians” say to be a christian that one is to follow in Jesus footsteps …. that He is our example … Jesus kept the Sabbath … it IS the 4th commandment. It IS the 7th day of the week. Most “dismiss” this citing Jesus was a jew …… yet MORE importantly Jesus was/IS God.

Luke 6

5 And he (Jesus) said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2

27 And he (Jesus) said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Why would Jesus make these statements? If the day of worship was changed to the 1st day of the week (Sunday) don’t you think Jesus would have said so? Wouldn’t He Himself would have worshipped on Sunday? No He did not. Was He or Is he God or not?

Genesis 2

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

John 14:21

Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

1 John

1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Jesus helps us to keep his commandments through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. We do stumble at times, but if we sincerely repent, we are forgiven. It is a process that happens over our earthly life as Satan is constantly bombarding us with lies and deception. Satans mission is to have as many as possible break Gods eternal law. So is not recognizing the Sabbath a deception? Absolutely!

Most christians agree with all the 9 of the commandments, yet not the 4th … what is that? Many christians believe that Jesus kept the commandments for us and all we have to do is “love Him” …. well … scripture teaches if we “love Him”, we will keep His commandments, how many? all of them.

John 14:21

Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

Revelation 14

12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus

Want to be blessed? Keep the Lords Holy Sabbath.

Ok … now before many jump all over my case discounting any of the above … I say I AGREE TO DISAGREE.
 
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Your question is disturbing.

Only a brainwashing cult would tell people to go a day without experiencing pleasure. Where are you getting that? It is not from the bible. You should find pleasure in worship. You should find pleasure in the beauty of the sunrise and sunset, in the warmth during a cold day, or the cool of the shade or the wind on a hot day. You should find pleasure in the company of your friends, your family, and your church community which you have given time to outside of the normal week.

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Into what have you made the Sabbath?
I said your pleasure but details seem to escape you... the Biblical reference is;

Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

So, the question remains, do you honour the 7th day Sabbath as God has asked? If not, by whose authority do you profane His commandment?
 
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The Catholic Church claims responsibility for the change from seventh-day to first-day Sabbath. Some of the following are from “their” publications … if one has a problem with them then talk to them about them …. not me.

Here is an explanation from The Catechism of the Catholic Church Section 2 Article 3 (1994):

Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the Sabbath...

The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ...

In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal holidays.

And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.


Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.i

John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: 472-473:
John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: 472-473: "The third commandment is: 'Remember thou keep ...

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):

Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.


Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To-Day (London: Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:

Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.


The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893):

The Catholic Church, for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...

The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation, "Seventh-day Adventists."


Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, Kansas City, MO:
It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodicea, AD 364, anathematized those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema.

John Henry Newman

Public Domain File:John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais, 1st Bt.jpg - Wikipedia Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, lecture at Hartford, KS, Feb 18, 1884:

I have repeatedly offered $1000 to any one who can furnish any proof from the Bible that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep...The Bible says, “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy,” but the Catholic Church says, “No, keep the first day of the week,” and the whole world bows in obedience.


Cardinal John Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (London: Basil Montague Pickering, 1878): 373:

The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holy days and seasons…are all of pagan origin and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.


Catholic Record (September 1, 1923):

The [catholic] Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.


Pope Leo XIII, Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), June 20, 1894: 

We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.


“Pope,” Ferraris’ Ecclesiastic Dictionary:

The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God.


Our Sunday Visitor (April 18, 1915): 3:

The letters inscribed in the Pope’s miter are these: VICARIUS FILLII DEI, which is the Latin for, “Vicar of the Son of God.”

Letter from C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons on October 28, 1895:

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act…And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.


American Catholic Quarterly Review (January 1883):

Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.


Catholic American Sentinel (June 1893):

Sunday...It is a law of the Catholic Church alone...


S.C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica (1969): 366-367:

Not the Creator of the Universe in Genesis 2:1-3, but the Catholic Church “can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days.”


“The Question Box,” The Catholic Universe Bulletin (August 14, 1942): 4:

The (Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter, the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.


Arthur Weigall, The Paganism in Our Christianity (New York: Putnam’s Sons, 1928): 145:

The Church made a sacred day of Sunday…largely because it was the weekly festival of the sun; for it was a definite Christian policy to take over the pagan festivals endeared to the people by tradition, and to give them a Christian significance.


John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: the Credentials of the Catholic Religion Revised Edition (Our Sunday Visitor Publishing, 1974): 400-401:

But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics, who claim to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon and explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away—like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.

go read about Constantine

Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306 to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign. Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine.”i
Constantine's Conversion by Peter Paul Rubens Source: Wikimedia Commons.
Constantine's Conversion by Peter Paul Rubens

Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321. It says this:

On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.ii

Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:

Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321 A.D.

Following this initial legislation, both emperors and Popes in succeeding centuries added other laws to strengthen Sunday observance. What began as a pagan ordinance ended as a Christian regulation. Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of Laodicea (circa 364 AD):

Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.

Personal Note(s):

I find it very strange that most “christians” say to be a christian that one is to follow in Jesus footsteps …. that He is our example … Jesus kept the Sabbath … it IS the 4th commandment. It IS the 7th day of the week. Most “dismiss” this citing Jesus was a jew …… yet MORE importantly Jesus was/IS God.

Luke 6

5 And he (Jesus) said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2

27 And he (Jesus) said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Why would Jesus make these statements? If the day of worship was changed to the 1st day of the week (Sunday) don’t you think Jesus would have said so? Wouldn’t He Himself would have worshipped on Sunday? No He did not. Was He or Is he God or not?

Genesis 2

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

John 14:21

Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

1 John

1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Jesus helps us to keep his commandments through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. We do stumble at times, but if we sincerely repent, we are forgiven. It is a process that happens over our earthly life as Satan is constantly bombarding us with lies and deception. Satans mission is to have as many as possible break Gods eternal law. So is not recognizing the Sabbath a deception? Absolutely!

Most christians agree with all the 9 of the commandments, yet not the 4th … what is that? Many christians believe that Jesus kept the commandments for us and all we have to do is “love Him” …. well … scripture teaches if we “love Him”, we will keep His commandments, how many? all of them.

John 14:21

Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

Revelation 14

12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus

Want to be blessed? Keep the Lords Holy Sabbath.

Ok … now before many jump all over my case discounting any of the above … I say I AGREE TO DISAGREE.
I agree completely... people will cite references to 2nd century Christians keeping Sabbath but we are told that the same spirit that created the Papacy was already at work in the time of the apostles.

2 Thess 2:3-8
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


The Papacy will be revealed by the proclamation of the 3 angels' message of Rev 14.
 
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