When people die

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In a mysterious way, it was Christian death which brought me to Christian life. Years ago, I had the unfortunate experience of going to three funerals in short succession. The first was a normal Christian memorial service for the aged husband of an artist friend, the second was at a Unity church for the teenage son of another artist friend of mine who had shot himself either accidentally or on purpose and the third was for my own MIL.

It was at my MIL's wake and funeral mass that I began to realize that you Catholics were on to something, that death wasn't some sort of bleak ending point but where the Church gets together and goes to work praying for our dearly departed brothers and sisters in Christ.

Now that I'm Catholic I've discovered that Christian death is an integral part to the life of the Church. "Hatch, match and dispatch", as my pastor likes to say. I've attended and served many funerals in my short life as a Catholic. Whenever one our own passes, while I might be sad, I don't despair over their eternal destiny. We have many good reasons to believe that they are on their way to their heavenly home.

When non-believers die, not so much.

Just before I was confirmed I was playing in an Ultimate Frisbee league. An old friend was also playing. I had known this kid since he was in high school, he was a number of years younger than me, but we had played a lot of Ultimate together. He hadn't been around for awhile, so it was good to see him. His team beat mine. I congratulated him afterward.

Shortly after that, while waiting for the next game, I saw what looked like a homeless man, blue and laying on the ground. Some of the Ultimate players who were doctors where tending to him. I noticed it was my friend. I started praying Hail Mary's. He passed away on the field in front of me. As my doctor friend put it, 'his heart had an electrical meltdown'.

A few of us gentlemen had some prior insights into my friends lifestyle. Someone had obtained his house keys so we headed over to his house to clean things up before his parents got there and ti take care of his dog. It was a good thing we did. We spent the better part of a day cleaning the place out.

His parents gave him a Christian funeral.

I was talking to a Messianic friend of mine about what happened. I told her the condition we found his home in after his passing. She just looked at me and said flatly, "I'm sorry Tad, your friend is in hell".

I found that unacceptable. I was praying for his soul at the hour of his death.

My Uncle passed away last Friday. He and my Aunt took me in while I was in college. It was there where I learned what a stable, traditional marriage can look like. He was a great guy, incredibly intelligent, a faithful husband and father and a birder. From all outward appearances he led an exemplary Christian life with one exception, he was an atheist.

Of course, I credit his goodness to the solid Methodist upbringing my grandparents gave him, but I have to reconcile this with the protestant tradition that one has to confess Jesus as Lord with their lips in order to be saved. It just seems so bleak to me.

I'm the only Catholic among the seven cousins on this side of the family and I believe only one practices their old-time religion. I'm still finding myself going into Catholic mode, praying for the repose of the soul of my Uncle. It feels strange that I have to go it all alone. There will be no funeral and there will be no memorial. I'm left here remembering all those things that my Uncle did for me and what he means to me as a person, but as far as my faith goes, sometimes it's a lonely road.
 
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I will only say ... I likewise feel lonely praying for the souls of my family, generations before me, who as far as we know died in various states from my great-grandmother who rivaled canonized Saints, to others who I am more concerned for. It feels strange to realize no one has probably prayed for them before, since my family's beliefs proscribe that kind of prayer. At least I have hope that my Church family will pray for me. Lord have mercy.
 
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On All Soul's Day I went to a prayer service at my parish to pray and to light a candle for my uncle. It didn't make me feel much better, most of the prayers and scripture readings spoke about those who had a hope in Christ. I was desperate for some sort of indication that it's possible to hope for the salvation of someone like my Uncle George. It just wasn't there. I then despaired at the failure of the Church and of myself to make Christianity look irresistible to the non-believer. I wondered if my faith was enough to catch an unbelieving family member. I wondered if my Uncle George was thankful for my praying for him, just as I was thankful for what he had done for me. I just couldn't tell.

Then, the past two Sundays these words popped out at me during the Eucharistic prayers for the dearly departed, "...whose faith is only known to God".

@mark kennedy posted this verse in another thread about the primacy of conscience. It's been a great help to me.

For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them. (Romans 2:14-15)

If you're reading this Mark, thank you very much for that.
 
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Thankyou Tad. I am in the same position with my mom. She is not Catholic, nor of any faith. I struggle as she is 93, has emphysema, and may well die soon. I too feel utterly desolate when I hear the words in Church, and wonder what would be said about my mom and her fate. I will be praying fervently at her death bed. I will be the only one there. None of my family is Christian. I am dreading being there at her death bed, and would like a priest to be there. But I doubt that this would happen. I thought exactly the same thoughts as you on All Souls Day Tad. God bless you
 
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Thankyou Tad. I am in the same position with my mom. She is not Catholic, nor of any faith. I struggle as she is 93, has emphysema, and may well die soon. I too feel utterly desolate when I hear the words in Church, and wonder what would be said about my mom and her fate. I will be praying fervently at her death bed. I will be the only one there. None of my family is Christian. I am dreading being there at her death bed, and would like a priest to be there. But I doubt that this would happen. I thought exactly the same thoughts as you on All Souls Day Tad. God bless you

Thank you for your words, Anjelica. As you know, the hardest part isn't my own loss but the bewilderment of wondering about the status of my uncle's salvation. I'm trying to trust in God's mercy. I know he spent his last years slowly losing his amazing mind and I wonder if it's not during that time that he became reconciled with God. He was such a good man, and modern western Christianity is so goofy, I can't blame him, or anyone else, for not believing.

It's a tough one. Many prayers for you and your mother. God bless you. It's good to 'see' you again.
 
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Thankyou so much Tad. Thankyou Colin also.

Yes, I worry most about my mother’s salvation. And my father’s, as he died in 2001. I pray all the time that my mother’s heart will soften.

I don’t know what you all think about this, but I would feel so much terrible pain if my mother were to not find salvation, and even go to some terrible place called hell, because I love her. I know that God loves her far mire than I do, and so I comfort myself by believing that He would not want her to suffer some terrible fate. Not sure if I have explained that properly, but I think you will know what I am saying.
 
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I know that God loves her far mire than I do, .

Hold on to that truth , Anjelica , and entrust your mother to our loving Father with the words of Julian of Norwich in your heart “All shall be well, and all shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.”
 
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Thankyou Colin. She has cursed and mocked God all hernlife. But I got my little statue of Our Lady of Lourdes blessed by ourmlively Polish priest and gave it to her. She accepted it. When she hates God she turns Mary to face the wall, on the mantlepiece. But when she is not cursing God she turns her to face the room again lol. My sister does the same but mostly shenis facing the wall. Poor Mary. She must be dizzy,
 
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Anjelica, I have been thinking about you, and am so glad you came back to visit.

Recently I learned about the Yah-Weh prayer. Breath in on Yah and hear God say, "I love you." Breathe out on "Weh" and tell God "I love you."

As you continue to breathe in and out, give God all your sadness and pains and mistakes and feel him loving you despite all your sadness and pains and mistakes.

Since your Mom is on oxygen, perhaps an exercise like that may relieve her pain and stress. (You could start by using a generic word for God like "the universe.")

Here is a video where Richard Rohr, OFM explains it.

The Yahweh Prayer by Richard Rohr

My daughter has a gay friend who is HIV positive and who just went through a tremendously difficult ordeal. Both his lungs collapsed and he was on a ventilator for 8 days in an induced coma. He is in his mid-20's. I learned this prayer and became so grateful for every breath I took, thinking of this young man rescued from the clutches of death. I would think "God loves ____." Then I would think, "Even though he can't say so, he loves you back." And so in breathing I was praying for him and through him.

He is home now, but I am not sure whether he will ever completely recover.

When you are with your Mom, breathe as she breathes. Be her intercessor. When you breathe out, think, "Mom loves you, Lord." When you breathe in, hear him say, "I love your Mom."

I hope you are well, my friend.
 
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Here is part of Rohr's Litany to the Holy Spirit. The last line is very important.
Pure Gift of God
Inner Anointing
Compassionate Observer
Magnetic Center
Inner Breath
Mutual Yearning Place
Fire of Life and Love
Truth Speaker
Cloud of Unknowing
Sacred Wounding
God’s Tears
Desiring of God

You who pray in us, through us, with us,
For us and in spite of us. Amen. Alleluia!
 
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Thankyou very much Fantine. I can understand how that might work for someone. Sadly, since I last posted, my mother has told me never to ring her or go to see her again. Her choice. I abide by it. It is sad, but there we go. I am doing ok Fantine. Thankyou so much for thinking of me. It is strange - I do very occasionally come here to read, but not often at all. But when I did the other day, I saw Tad’s post and it was exactly how I had been thinking and feeling. So I just HAD to respond lol.
 
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Hi Anhelyna. Yes. In some ways I am glad for various reasons. In others, I guess I wonder if this is right, yet it was not my doing. You grieve and mourn still, even while they are aluve. Strange really. But yes, pray, pray, pray. It is all I can do. God will do the rest
 
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A few years ago I was at Mass on All Souls' Day .

The Mass was led by a now deceased parish priest .

At the end of Mass he stopped , faced us and said , " You can go home with joy , for you have just given your departed loved ones the greatest gift possible ......the Sacrifice of Calvary . "

Worth thinking about .
 
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