Story about four horsemen

Apostleoftruth · Nov 2, 2017

Revelation 6King James Version (KJV)
6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Is it possible that the four horsemen is a christian believer who is given authority by God to execute Gods wrath?

Tell me your version, lets have discussion over this interesting revelation

joshua 1 9 · Nov 2, 2017

Apostleoftruth said:
Tell me your version, lets have discussion over this interesting revelation

Billy Graham wrote an interesting book about this.

ViaCrucis · Nov 2, 2017

Apostleoftruth said:
Revelation 6King James Version (KJV)
6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Is it possible that the four horsemen is a christian believer who is given authority by God to execute Gods wrath?

Tell me your version, lets have discussion over this interesting revelation

The text tells us what the horsemen are--they are conquest, war, famine, and death. Representations, not actual people of any sort.

-CryptoLutheran

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 2, 2017

It's actually rather creepy to see an image of the statue of liberty, with her crown, her sword, and a pair of balances in her hand in reference to these passages.

ViaCrucis · Nov 2, 2017

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
It's actually rather creepy to see an image of the statue of liberty, with her crown, her sword, and a pair of balances in her hand in reference to these passages.

What sword? What balances? The Statue of Liberty holds a torch and a tablet which reads "JULY IV MDCCLXXVI" or "July 4, 1776". I think you're thinking of "Lady Justice", who is depicted as blindfolded, carrying scales, and wields a sword representing that "justice is blind" (it applies to everyone equally), it weighs the case, and it executes judgment.

-CryptoLutheran

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 2, 2017

ViaCrucis · Nov 2, 2017

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
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Source?

-CryptoLutheran

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 2, 2017

In a forum concerning interpretations and symbolism, I find it hard to believe you can't see how symbolic the items really are. Where one picture is in reality the same as the other, as the constitution held in her left hand was to be the balances by which we were to live. The sword being that lamp that she holds, which is symbolic of freedom, and as such, a weapon that the country wields.

ViaCrucis · Nov 2, 2017

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
In a forum concerning interpretations and symbolism, I find it hard to believe you can't see how symbolic the items really are. Where one picture is in reality the same as the other, as the constitution held in her left hand was to be the balances by which we were to live. The sword being that lamp that she holds, which is symbolic of freedom, and as such, a weapon that the country wields.

She doesn't hold the Constitution, she holds a tablet with the date of the Declaration of Independence carved in it.

When I looked up "statue of liberty with a sword", the image you posted was the only one I could find. The fact of the matter is that the statue of liberty isn't depicted with a sword and balances, she is depicted consistently with a torch and tablet because that's what she wields.

And if a torch is a sword, then I suppose I might as well be the King of England.

-CryptoLutheran

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 2, 2017

Needless to say, I just pointed out that it was a creepy photo. I saw the symbolism in it. Thought it rather noteworthy. It isn't necessarily my comprehensive views either, as I have other more drawn out conclusions concerning Revelation. I would hear what your take is on the aforementioned verses though. As I said before, the image I found was just a picture, that I found on the net, nothing more.

ViaCrucis · Nov 2, 2017

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
Needless to say, I just pointed out that it was a creepy photo. I saw the symbolism in it. Thought it rather noteworthy. It isn't necessarily my comprehensive views either, as I have other more drawn out conclusions concerning Revelation. I would hear what your take is on the aforementioned verses though. As I said before, the image I found was just a picture, that I found on the net, nothing more.

I think the meaning in the text is somewhat straightforwrd, it describes four horsemen, which signify conquest, war, famine (and/or pestilence), and death. Conquest brings war, war brings famine and disease, and famine and disease brings death--and Hades, the place of the dead, is not far behind.

These innately worldly phenomenon wreak havoc to people in the world, and it is afterward shown that the martyrs under the altar of God asking how long they must wait until God will bring judgment; following this is the Judgment.

-CryptoLutheran

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 2, 2017

ViaCrucis said:
I think the meaning in the text is somewhat straightforwrd, it describes four horsemen, which signify conquest, war, famine (and/or pestilence), and death. Conquest brings war, war brings famine and disease, and famine and disease brings death--and Hades, the place of the dead, is not far behind.

These innately worldly phenomenon wreak havoc to people in the world, and it is afterward shown that the martyrs under the altar of God asking how long they must wait until God will bring judgment; following this is the Judgment.

-CryptoLutheran

That is a rather cliché answer. Very broad brushstrokes. Any actual insight that are not in commentaries or plainly seen the text?

Radagast · Nov 2, 2017

ViaCrucis said:
I think the meaning in the text is somewhat straightforwrd, it describes four horsemen, which signify conquest, war, famine (and/or pestilence), and death.

Or possibly war, violence, famine, and death.

Either way, a related group of death and things leading to it.

Radagast · Nov 2, 2017

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
Any actual insight that are not in commentaries or plainly seen the text?

Such "insights" would probably be wrong, anyway.

Radagast · Nov 2, 2017

Apostleoftruth said:
Is it possible that the four horsemen is a christian believer who is given authority by God to execute Gods wrath?

No.

ViaCrucis · Nov 3, 2017

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
That is a rather cliché answer. Very broad brushstrokes. Any actual insight that are not in commentaries or plainly seen the text?

The meaning of the text is the meaning of the text. It says what it says. One can be wrong about what it says, which is why a reader and student of Scripture should seek the best exegesis, and look to good biblical scholarship and the historic readings of the Church. Reading the Bible without scholarship, commentary, and without grounding oneself in good exegesis and hermeneutics is an excellent recipe for reading the Bible completely wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 3, 2017

Radagast said:
Such "insights" would probably be wrong, anyway.

Right, because using other scripture for interpretation of said passages would be totally false. And parables are to be taken literally, poems have nothing whatsoever to do with feelings, and spiritual things should not be spiritually discerned.
don't read 2 timothy 3:16, or proverbs 1:6-7

ViaCrucis · Nov 3, 2017

MyGivenNameIsKeith said:
Right, because using other scripture for interpretation of said passages would be totally false. And parables are to be taken literally, poems have nothing whatsoever to do with feelings, and spiritual things should not be spiritually discerned.
don't read 2 timothy 3:16, or proverbs 1:6-7

It's fine to use other Scripture to understand Scripture, assuming we're doing it rightly. Of course flat "The Bible says X here, thus it always means X everywhere else" is a bad hermeneutic. One author can mean X in one place, while another author can mean Y. That's why reading the Bible requires grounding oneself in good scholarship, exegesis, and paying attention to what the Church has historically taught. I often find people who speak of having a "spiritual discernment" think themselves experts on Scripture because every thought that pops in their head they attribute to the Holy Spirit, probably a smart idea to not blame God for every dumb thought we have.

-CryptoLutheran

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 3, 2017

ViaCrucis said:
It's fine to use other Scripture to understand Scripture, assuming we're doing it rightly. Of course flat "The Bible says X here, thus it always means X everywhere else" is a bad hermeneutic. One author can mean X in one place, while another author can mean Y. That's why reading the Bible requires grounding oneself in good scholarship, exegesis, and paying attention to what the Church has historically taught. I often find people who speak of having a "spiritual discernment" think themselves experts on Scripture because every thought that pops in their head they attribute to the Holy Spirit, probably a smart idea to not blame God for every dumb thought we have.

-CryptoLutheran

Even smarter to not call those people you speak to, dumb. This does nothing to foster good communication or glorify the Lord. As you assume things which you know nothing about, particularly my scholarly background, resources, and usage of said materials.

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 3, 2017

I only stated you had a vague answer, that was clearly discerned from reading the text as any middle-school student can read without looking too much into it. (Simply put) I was asking if you personally had any views on, particular details, anything, that could possibly be construed as relative to the topic in discussion which was your views on who the four horsemen are and if they could be specific people as the original poster had queried.

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