Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else?

Neogaia777 · Oct 6, 2017

Of those who had a responsibility to come to faith in their lives, it only holds that, we would also have to learn how to us it, or exercise it, or stretch it out... Before God will do anything with it maybe...?

Remember the man with the withered hand was told to "stretch it out" that hand when Jesus said so, something impossible for him to do, but he had faith in Jesus and in Jesus words, and he believed that at Jesus words to him, it would happen, even the impossible, and faith worked with faith...

How many times did Jesus say "Your faith has made you well", healed you, helped you...?

God Bless!

Halbhh · Oct 6, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else? Works perhaps? Love and Forgiveness? Baptism? None of the above. We are forever saved by our faith in Christ and ONLY by our faith in Christ. I'll show you.

Our works do not have any part to play in our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Our works are a chance for us to be rewarded by God and to show God that we love him and genuine faith in Christ will produce works. But, Christians who have no works were never saved in the first place. They don't have sufficient faith in Christ and it is a dead faith. As Matthew 25:35-40 and James 2:17 says.

Love and forgiveness are not requirements to salvation either. It's true, in Matthew 6:15 and Romans 13:10 we learn that if we do not forgive, we are not forgiven and that love is the fulfillment of the law. But, genuine faith in Christ would exhibit these things. Christians who don't love God and others and do not forgive others were never saved in the first place. Not that they are requirements for salvation.

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation either. Baptism is a chance for parents of an infant or a person of Christ to make a public declaration of faith. Mark 16:16 is NOT saying that baptism is required for salvation. Just look at the next statement in that verse for clarification it says "He who does not believe will be condemned". What Mark 16:16 is saying is that if one believes and is baptized he or she will be saved and if he believes and is not baptized he will still be saved. It doesn't say that baptism is required for salvation. If baptism were required for salvation the next statement in that verse would say something along the lines of "He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" but, no it just says "but he who does not believe will be condemned." Implying that we are saved by our faith and not by baptism.

So in conclusion, the only way to interpret the entire bible is that we are saved by our faith and ONLY by our faith in Jesus Christ. You can not name a single verse in the bible that says that ANYTHING else is required for salvation. What do you think?

Mat 7:24-27

A situation, and then later an outcome that can change the situation.

SkyWriting · Oct 6, 2017

redleghunter said:
All explained here and not theory:

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 11 - New King James Version

"The reproach of Christ greater riches" looks as almost as minor comment, one time, in that chapter.
Jesus not mentioned, Christ riches, = very very little support for your theory.
Got anything else?

I hold firm that any foundational tenet of Christianity
has multiple statements
by different authors
spread over time.
Your theory hasn't met those qualifications yet.

redleghunter · Oct 6, 2017

disciple1 said:
Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
Love covers all wrongs.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

All true. However, everyone likes to stuff everyone and everything in those Matthew 25 verses. If taken just in the passage we would conclude all who do good works will enter the Kingdom. But we know not everyone is a child of God and Jesus does define least ones in Matthew 10.

From Matthew 10 we see those who go out and do what the Master commands and preach the Kingdom are the least or little ones.

disciple1 · Oct 6, 2017

redleghunter said:
All true. However, everyone likes to stuff everyone and everything in those Matthew 25 verses. If taken just in the passage we would conclude all who do good works will enter the Kingdom. But we know not everyone is a child of God and Jesus does define least ones in Matthew 10.

From Matthew 10 we see those who go out and do what the Master commands and preach the Kingdom are the least or little ones.

1 John chapter 4 verse 7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

redleghunter · Oct 6, 2017

SkyWriting said:
"The reproach of Christ greater riches" looks as almost as minor comment, one time, in that chapter.
Jesus not mentioned, Christ riches, = very very little support for your theory.
Got anything else?

I hold firm that any foundational tenet of Christianity
has multiple statements
by different authors
spread over time.
Your theory hasn't met those qualifications yet.

Could you please clarify.

redleghunter · Oct 6, 2017

disciple1 said:
1 John chapter 4 verse 7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Indeed another truth. I'm not debating who our neighbors are. Christ made that clear.

All I asked if you would consider what I pointed out who the least He speaks of in Mt 25 refers to those who others helped who had Christ's Word in them.

Edit: What You Probably Don’t Know about ‘The Least of These’

disciple1 · Oct 6, 2017

redleghunter said:
Indeed another truth. I'm not debating who our neighbors are. Christ made that clear.

All I asked if you would consider what I pointed out who the least He speaks of in Mt 25 refers to those who others helped who had Christ's Word in them.

Edit: What You Probably Don’t Know about ‘The Least of These’

I believe everyone who loves will enter God's kingdom.
In 1 John chapter 4 verse 8 and 16 it says God is love, so we're just imitating him.

SkyWriting · Oct 6, 2017

redleghunter said:
Could you please clarify.

I hold firm that any foundational tenet of Christianity
has multiple scriptural passages
by different authors
spread over time.

Your theory hasn't met those qualifications yet.

redleghunter said: ↑
All explained here and not theory:
Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 11 - New King James Version

This chapter does not focus on Christ, and does not explain
that Christ is the only way to salvation at all.

redleghunter · Oct 6, 2017

disciple1 said:
I believe everyone who loves will enter God's kingdom.
In 1 John chapter 4 verse 8 and 16 it says God is love, so we're just imitating him.

Muslims and other religions as well?

redleghunter · Oct 6, 2017

SkyWriting said:
I hold firm that any foundational tenet of Christianity
has multiple scriptural passages
by different authors
spread over time.

Your theory hasn't met those qualifications yet.

This chapter does not focus on Christ, and does not explain
that Christ is the only way to salvation at all.

The subject discussed involved OT saints. Hebrews 11 shows the people of faith in the OT looked towards messiah in faith. The Promise to Abraham.

ConvictionofGod · Oct 6, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else? Works perhaps? Love and Forgiveness? Baptism? None of the above. We are forever saved by our faith in Christ and ONLY by our faith in Christ. I'll show you.

Our works do not have any part to play in our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Our works are a chance for us to be rewarded by God and to show God that we love him and genuine faith in Christ will produce works. But, Christians who have no works were never saved in the first place. They don't have sufficient faith in Christ and it is a dead faith. As Matthew 25:35-40 and James 2:17 says.

Love and forgiveness are not requirements to salvation either. It's true, in Matthew 6:15 and Romans 13:10 we learn that if we do not forgive, we are not forgiven and that love is the fulfillment of the law. But, genuine faith in Christ would exhibit these things. Christians who don't love God and others and do not forgive others were never saved in the first place. Not that they are requirements for salvation.

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation either. Baptism is a chance for parents of an infant or a person of Christ to make a public declaration of faith. Mark 16:16 is NOT saying that baptism is required for salvation. Just look at the next statement in that verse for clarification it says "He who does not believe will be condemned". What Mark 16:16 is saying is that if one believes and is baptized he or she will be saved and if he believes and is not baptized he will still be saved. It doesn't say that baptism is required for salvation. If baptism were required for salvation the next statement in that verse would say something along the lines of "He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" but, no it just says "but he who does not believe will be condemned." Implying that we are saved by our faith and not by baptism.

So in conclusion, the only way to interpret the entire bible is that we are saved by our faith and ONLY by our faith in Jesus Christ. You can not name a single verse in the bible that says that ANYTHING else is required for salvation. What do you think?

Surely one cant accept Jesus in his or her heart as their Lord and Savior only as a safety net then resume living a reckless and wild life, because as i understand it, God knows what truly lies in our hearts. yes do what you must to be saved but don't stop there, live your life faithfully and loyally to God as a lifestyle. don't only turn to God for favors or when life takes a bazaar turn.

redleghunter · Oct 6, 2017

ConvictionofGod said:
Surely one cant accept Jesus in his or her heart as their Lord and Savior only as a safety net then resume living a reckless and wild life, because as i understand it, God knows what truly lies in our hearts. yes do what you must to be saved but don't stop there, live your life faithfully and loyally to God as a lifestyle. don't only turn to God for favors or when life takes a bazaar turn.

Indeed we are called to live holy lives. 1 Thessalonians 4.

DamianWarS · Oct 6, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else? Works perhaps? Love and Forgiveness? Baptism? None of the above. We are forever saved by our faith in Christ and ONLY by our faith in Christ. I'll show you.

Our works do not have any part to play in our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Our works are a chance for us to be rewarded by God and to show God that we love him and genuine faith in Christ will produce works. But, Christians who have no works were never saved in the first place. They don't have sufficient faith in Christ and it is a dead faith. As Matthew 25:35-40 and James 2:17 says.

Love and forgiveness are not requirements to salvation either. It's true, in Matthew 6:15 and Romans 13:10 we learn that if we do not forgive, we are not forgiven and that love is the fulfillment of the law. But, genuine faith in Christ would exhibit these things. Christians who don't love God and others and do not forgive others were never saved in the first place. Not that they are requirements for salvation.

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation either. Baptism is a chance for parents of an infant or a person of Christ to make a public declaration of faith. Mark 16:16 is NOT saying that baptism is required for salvation. Just look at the next statement in that verse for clarification it says "He who does not believe will be condemned". What Mark 16:16 is saying is that if one believes and is baptized he or she will be saved and if he believes and is not baptized he will still be saved. It doesn't say that baptism is required for salvation. If baptism were required for salvation the next statement in that verse would say something along the lines of "He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" but, no it just says "but he who does not believe will be condemned." Implying that we are saved by our faith and not by baptism.

So in conclusion, the only way to interpret the entire bible is that we are saved by our faith and ONLY by our faith in Jesus Christ. You can not name a single verse in the bible that says that ANYTHING else is required for salvation. What do you think?

I see faith as an umbrella term that represents both what we beleive and what we do

redleghunter · Oct 6, 2017

DamianWarS said:
I see faith as an umbrella term that represents both what we beleive and what we do

What I consider is the true meaning of LORD and Savior.

Tayla · Oct 6, 2017

mmbattlestar said:
Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else?

We are saved by faith. The real question is, what is faith? Faith is belief or knowledge having corresponding action. You believe your parachute will open. Only when jumping do you exercise faith. Thus faith and corresponding works are two aspects of the same thing. Like a coin: heads is belief; tails is works.

I think what people usually hear when you say, as James did (James 2:24), "by works a man is justified, and not by faith only"; I think they hear instead, "you are saved by works only".

The works of faith must be those pleasing to God. As an example, if you believe road rage is a good thing to do, then do it, this is not faith.

MonstersvsMartyrs · Oct 6, 2017

James 2:24
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Traveling teacher · Oct 6, 2017

To love the Lord with allyour heart is the greatest commandment....
Luke 10:27
Faith hope and love the greatest of these is love
1 corinthians 13:13
JEsus asked Peter the most important question
Do you love me??
John 21

Faith is given to those who love the Lord and have a close relationship with Him......

LIly Beth · Oct 7, 2017

celestialpearl said:
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. James 2:18

SkyWriting said:
Many people lived and died before Jesus.
Any other theories?

The same conditions applied for those. They who believed a Messiah was coming died to a place called "Abraham's Bosom". Not heaven nor hell but a holding place of sorts. A waiting room. When Jesus won the keys back from Satan he let them go free. Graves were opened and people came forth to testify as witnesses.

LIly Beth · Oct 7, 2017

Faith without works is dead. This is not a life we should sit back and watch. Not a spectator life...but an action life. "Run the race". "Study to shew thyself approved". Apply what you learn to your life. Ask Jesus into your heart and He can show you these things for yourself. Ask Him in with all love, reverence and in truth...He will come to you.

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