Is Jesus God?

Is Jesus God

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Monk Brendan

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I personally believe that He is God the Son, eternally begotten of the Father, and who, along with the Holy Spirit makes up the Holy Trinity.

I know that there is some question about the subject, and both sides can show Scripture to "prove" their point.

I do not want a big brawl. If you have something to say, please, keep your posts civil. If I feel that a Christian attitude is not maintained, I will ask the thread be closed. Thank you.
 
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I personally believe that He is God the Son, eternally begotten of the Father, and who, along with the Holy Spirit makes up the Holy Trinity.

I know that there is some question about the subject, and both sides can show Scripture to "prove" their point.

I do not want a big brawl. If you have something to say, please, keep your posts civil. If I feel that a Christian attitude is not maintained, I will ask the thread be closed. Thank you.
I agree with you in regard to Jesus.

Colossians 2:9 (NASB)
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.

Romans 9:3-5 (NASB)
For I could wish that I myself were accursed separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons, and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

There are many more Scriptures that could be posted here. I'll let other people post others.

I don't think we are allowed to have a two sided discussion on the topic, as from what I've seen, no one on the site is allowed to post against the Trinity or teach against it -- anywhere on the site.

I think, though, that it is good for people to have a place to ask questions about the topic. Clearly, there are a lot of people on this site who do not understand the doctrine, even though they think they do.

For example, there are a lot of people on here who claim to be trinitarian, and yet they think that Jesus is the Father, the Father is Jesus, the Holy Spirit is Jesus, and Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
 
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This goes to the Trinity. If someone says Jesus isn't God, I do not think they worship the same God I do. Jews who don't believe in Jesus are different than Christian cults, but their faith and practice are different than mine. But the relationships within the Trinity are a mystery to me. Anyway I definitely believe that Jesus is God, although now I see through a glass darkly.
 
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I personally believe that He is God the Son, eternally begotten of the Father, and who, along with the Holy Spirit makes up the Holy Trinity.

I know that there is some question about the subject, and both sides can show Scripture to "prove" their point.

I do not want a big brawl. If you have something to say, please, keep your posts civil. If I feel that a Christian attitude is not maintained, I will ask the thread be closed. Thank you.

"He is God the Son, eternally begotten of the Father". No where taught in the entire Bible!
 
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"He is God the Son, eternally begotten of the Father". No where taught in the entire Bible!

I take it your answer is NO? Okay then give a proof text.
 
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I don't think we are allowed to have a two sided discussion on the topic, as from what I've seen, no one on the site is allowed to post against the Trinity or teach against it -- anywhere on the site.

Yet there seem to be many that do not believe that Jesus is God. How can this be?
 
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give me a single verse from the Bible that teaches that Jesus Christ is "begotten" of the Father!

Not that I believe it either But, maybe this one?

Psalm 2:7

"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."
 
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"He is God the Son, eternally begotten of the Father". No where taught in the entire Bible!

He is the Son, He has always been the Son (John 1:18)
He is Eternal, God with God (John 1:1)
Who became flesh (John 1:14)

The doctrine of the eternal generation of the Son is that teaching which is consistent with all of what Scripture says of Him. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God; and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only-begotten of the Father full of grace and truth; no one has at any time seen God, but God the only-begotten who is at the Father's bosom, has made Him known; He is the express image of the Father's glory; to no angel did He ever say "Your Throne O God is forever and ever"; in Him is the fullness of Deity in bodily form; though being in the form of God He did not consider equality with God robbery; "I and My Father are one"; "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father".

He is the Son, He has always been the Son, the very Son of the Father from all eternity. He is, therefore, true God of true God, begotten before all ages, begotten not made, homoousios with the Father. There was never a time that the Son was not.

The Son is eternal, even as the Father is eternal; because the Son is God even as the Father is God.

Yes, the eternal generation of the Son is biblical and true. This is the true Christian faith.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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give me a single verse from the Bible that teaches that Jesus Christ is "begotten" of the Father!

John 1:18
John 3:16

Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (monogenes) of the Father.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Well how about John 1:14 and Matthew 1:18? I tried to cut and paste from Bible gateway but I got all this formatting stuff that made it unreadable.

Those speak of His conception and birth from the Blessed Virgin, His Incarnation, not of His being begotten. He is begotten of the Father as true and actual God from all eternity. He is conceived and born of the Virgin Mary--made human--by the power of the Holy Spirit in history.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Those speak of His conception and birth from the Blessed Virgin, His Incarnation, not of His being begotten. He is begotten of the Father as true and actual God from all eternity. He is conceived and born of the Virgin Mary--made human--by the power of the Holy Spirit in history.

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Yes, you are correct. Thank you for helping me clarify my thoughts.
 
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People seem to be interpreting their Bibles differently, I guess.

People who don't acknowledge Jesus is God just plain can't read. It's stated right in black in white for all the world to see. I was an idiot for not believing it myself a year ago.
 
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People who don't acknowledge Jesus is God just plain can't read. It's stated right in black in white for all the world to see. I was an idiot for not believing it myself a year ago.
It's got to be something else than just that they can't read. Sometimes I feel like some people are blocked from understanding it -- and just can't understand it.

Or maybe it is a choice, and they don't want to believe it, so they search for another alternative as to how to interpret the passages.
 
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It's got to be something else than just that they can't read. Sometimes I feel like some people are blocked from understanding it -- and just can't understand it.

Or maybe it is a choice, and they don't want to believe it, so they search for another alternative as to how to interpret the passages.

I don't really remember why I didn't believe it. It was too long ago But yeah, I just plain couldn't read. I was an idiot. It could be a choice or it's just plain too difficult to understand. I don't know. I don't really remember.
 
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My response to #3 which states, "I personally believe that He is God the Son, eternally begotten of the Father, and who, along with the Holy Spirit makes up the Holy Trinity." To which I said that there is no verse in the Holy Bible that Teaches that Jesus Christ is "eternally begotten of the Father".

In the first place, I am of the conviction that the Bible is very clear to the fact, that there is only One God (Deuteronomy 6:4). We also know from the Word of God, that the Hebrew word for "God" is "Elohim", which is masculine in gender, and plural in number. I do not agree with some (especially Jews) who suppose that the "plural" is used to denote "a plural of majesty", as in when a King says the "royal we". I do believe that "Elohim" denotes "the plurality of Persons in the Godhead". This can be seen from verses like Genesis 1:26, where we read God says, "let US make man in OUR image", where we have the plural. Yet we know that man and woman are made in "God's Image", which rules out the idea that God was speaking to the angels or some other heavenly being, in Genesis 1:26, as mankind are not made in the "image of angelic beings". We also have verses like Ecclesiastes 12:1, "So remember your Creator in the days of your youth", where the Hebrew for "Creator" is in the masculine, plural, "Creators". Yet Genesis 1:1 says, "in the beginning Elohim Created...", which would agree with the plural in Ecclesiastes, and Job 35:10, "but none saith, Where is God my Maker", again "Maker", in the Hebrew is "masculine, plural". Job 33:4 speaks of the Holy Spirit as Creator, "The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life". We also have passages like John 1:3, Colossians 1:15-18, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 3:14, which speak of Jesus Christ as the actual Creator (not just an agent) of the universe. In fact, in the passage in Hebrews, it is God the Father Who says of Jesus Christ being Creator, and speaks of His Eternal Being, which is a quotation of Psalm 102:25-27, which speaks of Creation by Almighty God! Thus showing the Holy Trinity is very much Biblical, even though the term itself might not be in the Bible. The Three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are EQUALLY Almighty God, co-eternal, co-equal and co-essential, as YHWH. If One Person "begets" another as to their "being", then they cannot be EQUAL as God. The Bible says they are!

Secondly, the teaching of the "eternal generation of the Son, from the Father", is no where taught in the Holy Bible, but taught and promoted by the early heretic, Origen of Alexandria, (A.D.185-254), who influenced quite a number of the Orthodox leaders in the early church with his teachings on the Holy Trinity, which included the creation of both Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit, both considered by Origen to be of "different natures" to God the Father. The teaching of "eternal generation" is not to do with the Birth of Jesus Christ, from Mary, which is taught in the Holy Bible, where Jesus Christ actually does "part-take" of His "human nature" from Mary (apart from sin), thereby being "one with us". "eternal generation" is to do with the Father, from eternity past, "generating" the "being" of the Son. This heresy was taken into the Creed of Nicea, with its language like "God from God", "Light from Light", True God from True God", which some suppose to be what the Bible teaches, and shows Jesus' Deity. However, it does not. Each of the prepositions "from" are in the Greek, "ek", which is used to denote "source", where Jesus Christ is said to be "God", Who has "come out of", "God the Father", Who was considered the Font of the Godhead. The Father is seen as the "Sun" (Light), from Whom Jesus Christ, the "lesser light", as in the "Sun's rays" "came out". This theology is known as "subordinationism" of Jesus Christ, within the Godhead, to God the Father, which made an "un-equality" of the Persons "Essence", thereby making Jesus as a "second God", lower than the Father. All of this is non-Biblical heresy, and has its origin in the early church heretics, who sadly did have some influence on the Orthodox Church. As did in modern times, when in 1881 the Revised Version of the Bible was produced, which had a Unitarian on the board, Dr G Vance Smith, who strongly argued against "Theos" in 1 Timothy 3:16, (God was manifested in the flesh...) as being part of the Epistle of Paul, and was listened to by the more "Evangelical", who rejected this reading for "who was manifested...". John Burgon has shown in his masterful essay on this verse, beyond any doubt to the honest mind, that the textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading "Theos"! (http://www.trinitystudies.org/Jesus/1tim3_16_burgon.pdf)

Thirdly, in their long battle against the heresies on the Person of Jesus Christ, the early Church theologians used various terms in Greek and Latin, to try best explain the relations within the Holy Trinity, between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and especially on the Person of Jesus Christ. One such term used was, the Greek word, "monogenes", which is found in places like John 1:14, 18, etc, and translated in Bibles like the King James, as "only-begotten". However, the Greek word says nothing of "begetting", and literally means, "of a single kind", or "unique", which is for the Lord Jesus Christ, Who being eternally God, at His Incarnation, became Man, thus the God-Man, 100% God and 100% Man, though without a sin nature, and sinless. It was because the early heretic, Arius (modern day Jehovah Witnesses) taught that Jesus Christ was "created", that the Church adopted the Latin term, "unigenitus", which did mean "only-begotten", but was not the correct word to translate the Greek "monogenes", which is the Latin, "unicus" (unique). This error was then adopted into our English versions, but has been corrected in versions like the NIV, which rightly uses, "one and only", and the International Standard Version, which uses "unique".

Hope this helps...
 
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