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PeaceJoyLove said:

In the beginning there was but one commandment from God..."Thou shalt not eat..."...

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God is eternal... His character does not change. He is who He is... and thus everything that is sin has and always will stand opposed to His character. My point in sharing that... "you shall not eat" was the first SPOKEN commandment, not the first commandment.

Aseyesee said:

Here you have reasoned it out ...

Though this is sort of mundane ... If God never planted the tree of knowledge, what purpose would the commandment not to eat
have?

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Revelation 13:8 states that there was a lamb slain from the foundation of the world. In addition to that, Genesis 1:14 says that God placed the sun, moon and stars IN PART for seasons. But the seasons are NOT summer, fall, winter and spring but instead... are Feasts. The word is moedim and so the stars were set in order, again IN PART, to determine when the feasts are. So what? So... the feasts point to messiah's work. The spring feasts predominately pointing to his first coming and the fall feasts to his return. Long before the events happened that the feasts commemorate, long before there was a fallen man who needed redeeming... the markers that would point to the days that point to the one who would redeem us were set in place.

My point... Rev. 13:8 and Gen. 1:14 show that while God might not have created us to fall... He created us knowing we would fall. Therefore... EVERYTHING He did from the moment He said, "Let there be light" on... was done toward a progression that would lead to our redemption.

The planting of the tree, the command not to eat... the fall and the removal of man from the Garden... all part of the plan that led to our redemption through messiah.

Beyond that, I don't know what point your trying to make.

Aseyesee said:

You had said "God's "commandments" (if you prefer that word) always existed and are eternal" which is why I posted the question as I did.

So in this, always was form (before there was anything but God), how did this commandment find its meaning?

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The commandments are defined by the character of God. It stands against His character to murder, but it is consistent with His character to honor your parents. The meaning is derived by God's being and character, which is eternal and never changing. Your point?

Aseyesee said:

issue a commandment?

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The commandments were given to show us, in no uncertain terms, the fact that we will never be able to reach the level of righteousness that is necessary to save ourselves.

Also, the commandments, if followed, make life much better..

As they say......."choose to sin... choose to suffer".

Ken Rank said:

God is eternal... His character does not change. He is who He is... and thus everything that is sin has and always will stand opposed to His character. My point in sharing that... "you shall not eat" was the first SPOKEN commandment, not the first commandment.

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It was 430 years from "Thou shalt not eat..." til Moses Law...because of the hardness of heart...they continued to eat from the wrong tree? Eve added to God's word...God said if you eat you will surely die...she said " neither shall ye touch it..." The labor by thought to be. To add to it...Jesus says Take no thought...

Eve being a picture of our soul...whose desire was to be for her husband, but she placed her desire somewhere else...ate of her own reasoning... a truth cast down... a seed that falls to the ground, or a deep sleep
Genesis 3:6-7 compare to James 1:12-15


No one is justified in His sight by works of the law for the the law merely brings awareness of sin.

Sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Newlyrestoredgospel777 said:

She gave him the fruit, and he did eat. Where does it say he was deceived?

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Ok, so the Lord commanded both Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. When Eve was tempted by the devil, she disobeyed God's command and took and ate of the fruit. Then, she took the fruit that was forbidden, and gave it to Adam, and he also ate of it. By her actions she deceived Adam into eating the fruit that they were not allowed to eat.

PeaceJoyLove said:

It was 430 years from "Thou shalt not eat..." til Moses Law...because of the hardness of heart...they continued to eat from the wrong tree? Eve added to God's word...God said if you eat you will surely die...she said " neither shall ye touch it..." The labor by thought to be. To add to it...Jesus says Take no thought...

Eve being a picture of our soul...whose desire was to be for her husband, but she placed her desire somewhere else...ate of her own reasoning... a truth cast down... a seed that falls to the ground, or a deep sleep
Genesis 3:6-7 compare to James 1:12-15


No one is justified in His sight by works of the law for the the law merely brings awareness of sin.

Sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

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Now you are turning this into Jesus having come not to reverse the curse but to do away with God's law. A. not interested in this discussion and B. this thread is about another topic. As for the 430 years.... it was longer and again... the Law existed BEFORE MT. SINAI. I can prove that 20 times over staring with Genesis 26:5 and ONE simple clear example. It was WRITTEN at Mt. Sinai because it was to act as Israel's national rule of law... but the do's and don'ts were well known before Sinai!!!!!!!

Aseyesee said:

The point of my question remains the same.

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I have no idea what you are asking... I think you are trying to 'tell' not ask and either way, I have covered this in many different ways. I have nothing else to say until you at least define what it REALLY IS you are after here. Take care.

Saved.By.Grace said:

Ok, so the Lord commanded both Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. When Eve was tempted by the devil, she disobeyed God's command and took and ate of the fruit. Then, she took the fruit that was forbidden, and gave it to Adam, and he also ate of it. By her actions she deceived Adam into eating the fruit that they were not allowed to eat.

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GOD only told Adam H.E that he should not eat it. Eve had not been manifested yet. Eve was then told by Adam H.E not to eat of it. You seem to completely disregard the verse 1 tim 2:14 because you've been taught different by false teachers. Adam H.E was not deceived. He willingly laid down his life because the fall of Man was a plan.

Ken Rank said:

Now you are turning this into Jesus having come not to reverse the curse but to do away with God's law. A. not interested in this discussion and B. this thread is about another topic. As for the 430 years.... it was longer and again... the Law existed BEFORE MT. SINAI. I can prove that 20 times over staring with Genesis 26:5 and ONE simple clear example. It was WRITTEN at Mt. Sinai because it was to act as Israel's national rule of law... but the do's and don'ts were well known before Sinai!!!!!!!

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You add to my words. Jesus came to FULFILL the law...the door back to the beginning...before the fall. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

PeaceJoyLove said:

You add to my words. Jesus came to FULFILL the law...the door back to the beginning...before the fall. "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.

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Again, you are talking about whether or not the law applies today... that is not the topic of this discussion.

~Cassia~ said:

Could you perhaps restate that in layman's terms please ...

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I will try:

Starting with God, God is Love (the epitome of Love), which means God is totally unselfish and is not doing stuff for His own sake, but is doing everything for the sake of man which is also God’s desire and might be referred to as His sake.

God would be doing or allowing everything to help humans who are just willing to fulfill their earthly objective.

Man’s objective is found in the God given Mission statement of: Loving God (and secondly Loving others) with all your heart, soul, mind and energy. In order to fulfill that mission man must first obtain Godly type Love which will make man like God Himself in that man will Love like God Loves.

What we can thank Adam and Eve for is showing us that what we might consider the ideal situation is a lousy situation for man to fulfill his earthly objective. Adam and Eve as our very best all human representatives did not fulfill the objective while sinless in the Garden and really could not. The situation after sinning outside the Garden did provide a way to fulfill the objective.

Again the objective is not to never ever sin, but to obtain Godly type Love is the first of man’s objective.

There are just something even an all-powerful Creator cannot do (there are things impossible to do), the big inability for us is create humans with instinctive Godly type Love, since Godly type Love is not instinctive. Godly type love has to be the result of a free will decision by the being, to make it the person’s Love apart from God. In other words: If the Love was in a human from the human’s creation it would be a robotic type love and not a Godly type Love. Also if God “forces” this Love on a person (Kind a like a shotgun wedding) it would not be “loving” on God’s part and the love forced on the person would not be Godly type love. This Love has to be the result of a free will moral choice with real alternatives (for humans those alternatives include the perceived pleasures of sin for a season.)


This Love is way beyond anything humans could develop, obtain, learn, earn, pay back or even deserve, so it must be the result of a gift that is accepted or rejected (a free will choice).



This “Love” is much more than just an emotional feeling; it is God Himself (God is Love). If you see this Love you see God.

All mature adults do stuff that hurts others (this is called sin) these transgressions weigh on them burden them to the point the individual seeks relief (at least early on before they allow their hearts to be hardened). Lots of “alternatives” can be tried for relief, but the only true relief comes from God with forgiveness (this forgiveness is pure charity [grace/mercy/Love]). The correct humble acceptance of this Forgiveness (Charity) automatically will result in Love (we are taught by Jesus and our own experience “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”). Sin is thus made hugely significant, so there will be an unbelievable huge debt to be forgiven of and thus result in an unbelievable huge “Love” (Godly type Love).

That is an introduction

Newlyrestoredgospel777 said:

GOD only told Adam H.E that he should not eat it. Eve had not been manifested yet. Eve was then told by Adam H.E not to eat of it. You seem to completely disregard the verse 1 tim 2:14 because you've been taught different by false teachers. Adam H.E was not deceived. He willingly laid down his life because the fall of Man was a plan.

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"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me."

...goes back to the garden and the two shall become one...After Eve reasoned with the serpent, placing desire elsewhere, other than her husband...though her husband never left her...the woman being a picture of our soul desiring not her own husband...sin is perceiving a lack...

"He who has the bride is the bridegroom" and "For your Maker is your husband, the LORD of hosts is his name" speak to this truth that started in the garden...