Prophecies, chronology, and the timing of these events

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vinsight4u said:

Where do you think in Matthew 24 is when Jesus Christ began to tell how it will be at the end of the world?

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Starting in verse 4 and continuing through the end of the chapter.

vinsight4u said:

The 6th seal ends the great tribulation, but the vials will have yet to start being poured out after the 7th seal has been opened.

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I still maintain that the seals are at the beginning, trumpets in the middle and vials being poured out at the end of the tribulation.

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DavidPT said:

The main positions I'm familiar with are Premil and Amil. I'm also somewhat familiar with PostMil, Preterism, and Partial Preterism, though not as familiar with these as I am of Premil and Amil, mainly because I have been in more debates surrounding these two positions than I have been of the others. Since you indicated this wouldn't make your position Premil, though we both agree the passage I brought up in Isaiah 2 fits better post the 2nd coming, what position does this make yours then? An even better question, where do you place the thousand years in Rev 20? Before the 2nd coming, or after the 2nd coming? Because to me, from my perspective, I feel the passage I brought up in Isaiah 2 is referring to this same thousand years in Rev 20.

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I like the idea of comparing scripture with scripture and you get real real specific by listing all the prophecy yet to occur and stack them in a shish kabob order and you will see many explicit details that speak of nations, Israel ,Jerusalem and the return of the sacrifice leading up to thhe 2nd coming and establishment of the 1000 year kingdom on earth. Here are two of my favorite passages Luke 1 Zachariah's prophecy of Jesus
67 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited and redeemed His people,
69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of His servant David,
70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
Who have been since the world began,
71 That we should be saved from our enemies
And from the hand of all who hate us,
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
And to remember His holy covenant,
73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
74 To grant us that we,
Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.
In this passage Jesus is a horn of salvation according to the prophets to Israel and that Israel will be delivered from their enemies to fulfill the oath to Abraham that after being delivered from their enemies that they would serve Him without fear all the days of their lives. This has never happened
The oath to Abraham is not the church and we see this fulfilled in Zechariah 14's account of the 2nd coming of Jesus
Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.[fn]
6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the LORD—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
8 And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The LORD is one,”[fn]
And His name one.
10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem[fn] shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.
11 The people shall dwell in it;
And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Here we see the 2nd coming of Jesus fulfilling Luke 1 where Israel is delivered from their enemies and from that day on they will serve the LORD without fear and in holiness all the days of their lives.

This day is so specific that the LORD comes with his saints and the MT of Olives will split in two. A new river will flow year round and it says the LORD shall be king over all the earth. It shows life continuing as the nations must now keep the feast of Tabernacles or they will get no rain. It says that on this day it will be light at night and Gods enemies will melt. This has never happened and is still future. It says in that day they will say the LORD is one. This is a new confession for Israel as they see Jesus and now understand that Jesus and the Father are one. In Revelation it says at the 2nd coming the mystery of God would be finished. This is where the mystery is over Jesus Christ is God. There are so many prophecies to link together some more obvious than others.

I think when Jesus rose from the dead and met the 2 disciples on the road and opened the scripture to them showing them all that was indeed written and blew their minds so too will we be amazed how much was written for us to understand and we did not embrace it.

DavidPT said:

If the former continues up until the 2nd coming, and that the latter tells us nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more, hasn't it then been determined by chronology that the time specified in Isaiah 2:3-4 has to follow after Matthew 24:6-7 are no longer true?

Why then do some place the time of Matthew 24:6-7 parallel with that of the time of Isaiah 2:4, where it seems rather obvious, that nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, contradicts nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more?

How can both be true at the same time?

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"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity..." A Tale of Two Cities, Charles Dickens.

You might see some nations rising up against other nations such as Saudi Arabia attacking forces in Yemen, while at the same time witnessing other nations not lifting up swords against each other like Norway and Sweden being at peace with each other.

Jesus was being arrested when he urged his disciple to put his sword back in its place, telling his disciples, "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword." - Matthew 26.

The Kingdom of God was being preached by Jesus long before his second coming. Blessed are those who obey Christ's teachings.

DavidPT said:

Since Zechariah 14 was something I was wanting to bring up as well, let's examine the following.

Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


Let's start here. I would think once this is fulfilled, it will be like this forever more. There is only one Jerusalem that is going to be here forever, that being the new Jerusalem. That's the Jerusalem that has to be in mind here.


Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


Some take this to be meaning what ultimately happened in 70 AD. Personally I disagree. For the sake of argument though, let's say it is about what ultimately happened in 70 AD.

What happened in 70 AD? Was Jerusalem safely inhabited at the time? Was there no more utter destruction at the time? Or did Jerusalem basically get destroyed at the time? Obviously it's the latter. Zechariah 14:11 indicates And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. What should this be telling us? Shouldn't it be telling us that Zechariah 14:11 is meaning a time sometime after 70 AD?

What about today, 2017? Men are dwelling there. But is Jerusalem safely inhabited? If the answer to the latter is a resounding no, what should that be telling us about Zechariah 14:11? Shouldn't it be telling us the fulfillment of this verse is yet future still? The only time Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited, where there is no more utter destruction, would have to be once Christ returns and that the NJ comes down from God out of heaven.

That then brings us to Zechariah 14:16-19. That has to follow after Zechariah 14:11 has already been fulfilled first, thus placing these verses during a time after the 2nd coming as well.

And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

These can't be meaning saved immortals, therefore have to be meaning mortals. Mortals obviously can't live forever, and that these at some point have to give account and be judged at the great white throne judgment. So what am I getting at here? Zechariah 14:16-19 is meaning the thousand year reign and ruling with a rod of iron by Christ and the immortal saints. Which then according to Revelation 20, is followed by satan's little season, and finally followed by the great white throne judgment.

Yet some will tell us all of Zechariah 14 has already been entirely fulfilled, though Zechariah 14:11 alone proves otherwise.

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A good rule to know is the law of the prophets from Deuteronomy. a loose paraphrase is that if what the prophet said has not happened he is a presumptuous prophet and that prophet shall die. Peter said no prophecy is of any private interpretation. So in Zechariah how could any of it be fulfilled if the MT of Olives did not split in two creating a new river that flows year round. Was anyone ever melted in Jerusalem on a night when it was light out. It is that simple to believe what was written. Revelation we have the benefit of the book telling us not to ad or take away from the book. So when it says those beheaded for the LORD lived and reigned with him upon the earth for 1000 years while Satan is bound we cannot see it any other way. A literal interpretation of ZEch 14 groves in sinc with Rev and Luke 1. Also the prophecies of Revelation and Daniel have the return of the sacrifice and the abomination of desolation at the center of the 7 years. Funny how Israel is on teh map and Jerusalem is center stage with all preparation for the return of the sacrifice being made and many still do not see this as relevant. Hosea 3 links the return of the sacrifice with the return of the kingdom.

4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.

DavidPT said:

For example.


Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


Apparently this will be the case all the way up until the 2nd coming. Or better yet, once the 2nd coming has occurred, this will no longer be the case in the world.

Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Here we see just the opposite of the former passage. This passage states----and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

If the former continues up until the 2nd coming, and that the latter tells us nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more, hasn't it then been determined by chronology that the time specified in Isaiah 2:3-4 has to follow after Matthew 24:6-7 are no longer true?

Why then do some place the time of Matthew 24:6-7 parallel with that of the time of Isaiah 2:4, where it seems rather obvious, that nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, contradicts nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more?

How can both be true at the same time?

Obviously there are Premils and Amils on this board. By placing Isaiah 2:4 post the 2nd coming, based on the argument I just submitted, how can that not prove without a doubt, that between these 2 named positions, Premil would have to be the correct position?

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Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come everyone, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into sickles : nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
In numerous prophetic scriptures the mountain of the Lord represents the Government of God. This one in Isaiah is prophesying about that coming Government of God. Notice though that at the same time Gods government wields the greatest influence by the illustration of it being the highest of the mountains, there are other mountains and hills. In other words governments and influence that are not from God but from this world. It's not that Gods government exist to the exclusion of all others but it is being prophesied that his government will be the most influential and as it always has, still reigning in the affairs of men.
This particular prophecy also calls this mountain the Lords house. When you are getting into prophecies in the Old Testament about the Lords house it cannot get any clearer as to what it is specifically referring to. The house\temple\tabernacle\dwelling place of God are the true believers. There is no debating that issue. This is one of the clearest New Testament (and old Testament) declarations and doctrines. The people today who are teaching that there is a coming physical building in a physical city where God will dwell are not apostles. They are not writing new chapters of the Bible with declarations and teachings of the meanings of the Bibles symbolism and prophecies. The temple and tabernacle, the dwelling place of God, his house were symbolic prophecies, prophetic illustrations of the true tabernacle and house of God that was to come which has been declared by scripture itself to be his people, the followers of Jesus. This is called in the New Testament one of the great mysteries hidden from ages generations finally revealed. There will not be a reversal of the realties that were coming to the earth that most of the Old Testament only symbolized back to the thing that was only a type and shadow of the real. The teachings that ignore plainly declared interpretations of Old Testament types and shadows and proclaim things like a New Jewish Temple or New Messianic Temple are the fulfillment of prophecies like Isaiah 2 are very damaging to the cause of Christ and his people.
Now lets follow this idea of the Government of God and the Lords house up with the rest of that prophecy and then tie it into the parable of the sower. It says at the end of the sentence in Isaiah 2:2 that all nations will flow to it. Then verse 3: That many people shall go and say, Come everyone, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths. Keeping in mind what the Lords house is: To where or to whom do the nations, do the people go to find God, salvation and instruction about God, his kingdom and his ways? Well for two thousand years now, to Gods people, to the Bible or to a church. This is especially relevant since the fall of the Roman Empire in 1453 AD when the Bible prophesied this great mountain would begin to fill the whole earth. In the last half century or so approx. a billion people have come to Christ in nations that had few or no believers in it before. This shows no signs of slowing down as over 100,000 people a day world wide are meeting Jesus for the first time. So, not only did the Law and the Word of the Lord come out of Zion and Jerusalem in the first place; slowly but surely making it's way into the entire earth. Zion and Jerusalem were also prophetic symbolisms' of Gods people today.

This is from an series of articles I wrote about the parables of the government of God. This paragraph is from the parable of the sower.

The Parables About the Government of God

DavidPT said:

The sad thing though, some will attempt to spiritualize these things, where in their minds this doesn't make Zechariah a false prophet afterall, since these things did come to pass, just not like how Zechariah seemed to be describing though, IOW he never meant any of it in a literal sense.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.


If this is not meant to be taken literally, why should we believe any of the past historic accounts in the OT where plagues by way of the LORD, literally happened? Why would those plagues be literal, but not this plague in Zechariah 14:12? There couldn't possibly be anything to date, that proves Zechariah 14:12 has already been fulfilled, whether literally, or spiritually, or whatever.

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zechariah reagarding the 1st coming said that Jesus would come lowly riding on the foal of a donkey and that Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver and the money would be given to the house of the potter. These are more obscure than ZEch 14 is and they were literal down to the exact detail.

Zechariah promised in chapter 6
Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 10 “Receive the gift from the captives—from Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, who have come from Babylon—and go the same day and enter the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah. 11 Take the silver and gold, make an elaborate crown, and set it on the head of Joshua the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. 12 Then speak to him, saying, ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, saying:
“Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH!
From His place He shall branch out,
And He shall build the temple of the LORD;
13 Yes, He shall build the temple of the LORD.
He shall bear the glory,
And shall sit and rule on His throne;
So He shall be a priest on His throne,
And the counsel of peace shall be between them both.” ’
Look to chapter 14 agiain and the book of Hebrews as Jesus is both king and priest this is not an allegory but a reality when he reigns from Jerusalem. lets keep adding to the things accomplished in the day of the 2nd coming. You got Daniel 2 the stone cut without hands descending and crushing the kingdoms of man and this stone leaves no trace of the kingdoms of man and becomes a mountain a kingdom that covers the earth and will have no end. Lets ad Isaiah 9
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Again this intersect to the day the Lord descends in Zech 14 How about acts 1
He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God... Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[fn] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Jesus did not say the kingdom is already hear in a sense it is always here but in the chronology of prophecy the kingdom of God arrives on earth at the 2nd coming

As Rev proves out having been written long after acts says
15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms[fn] of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:
“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come,[fn]
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Note the beginning of the kingdom come when the angels proclaim this transfer. It is at a time that God judges those who destroyed the earth which is after the tribulation.

DavidPT said:

Though I agreed with your post, on 2nd thought I can't say I entirely agree with your post, because I'm likely not on the same page with you about the return of sacrifice, if you are meaning animal sacrificing resuming, and a literal 3rd temple in Jerusalem. I don't see that literally being a part of the future myself.

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look up the abomination of desolation it is not a sacrifice for the removal of sin. it is the return of the Jewish sacrifice for the daily offering. The Lord Jesus said he came in His fathers name and was rejected but promised if another comes him you will accept. the very mid point of the tribulation is when the abominaiton of desolation takes place. Thess says of the antichrist Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[fn] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[fn] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[fn] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

This is when the mark of the beast is set up and the beast survives a mortal wound. The once only sacrifice is not the issue. The anti chirst has this authority from this moment on and this is when he turns on the Jews and the image of the beast is set up.

DavidPT said:

Though I currently see it otherwise, what you submitted in this post is still worthy of further consideration IMO. I'm already somewhat familiar with some of what you submitted here, because I have encountered others in the past that come to similar conclusions.

Where I'm at right now, like I showed in the OP, I see the following as a contradiction-----and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more----For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom----if both are supposed to be true at the same time. Isaiah 2 says nations and not individuals. I take nations to be meaning entire countries, where it's government decides whether it goes to war or not.

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I got you. I just didn't want to post the whole article so I linked it. But here is my take on that from the next to paragraphs.

Here is the tie in to the parable of the sower. Isaiah 2:4 as a prophecy about the coming government of God uses the same illustrations that Jesus uses in his parable of the sower to describe the process that brings that Government of God. Farming, sowing seed and harvesting a crop. Isaiah 2:4....and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into sickles. Luke 8:5 A sower (farmer) went out to sow his seed...11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. That is really about as simple, common sense, light bulb going on in your head as it can get. The coming government of God that Isaiah predicts and that Jesus is the King of comes into the earth through the Word of God changing individuals beliefs and hearts and through them their cultures. Isaiah also verifies this in another way that is perhaps not as clear. The rest of verse 4 says.... nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. What should be taken from this is that this kingdom does not come through force...which Jesus also stated: John:18:36.....My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight. This also corresponds to Jesus answer to the religious teachers of his day concerning the substance of his coming government. That it is not a visible Kingdom. Luke 17:20-21...The kingdom of God does not come with observation (visibly): Nor shall they say, Look here! or, look there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is inside you. If it is not a Kingdom that comes through force. Whether that force be earthly, angelic or miraculous then it cannot be by it's very definition visible or physical. It must be a kingdom or government that is influential and therefore voluntarily accepted. Or as Hebrews 10:16 says: This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; There will be a little bit more in the next paragraph about the issue of the sword, force and human government. Hopefully it is understood that all of the objections based on various eschatology's people hold cannot be answered in the article due to the shear magnitude of the subject.
One of the reasons Isaiah uses this wording: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more; is because of The Government of Gods extensive use of the sword in ancient Israel that Isaiah lived in. It's not that war or force (earthly and heavenly) are not employed by God's Government today, as many of the hundred plus chapters of prophecies about it clearly allude to like the first part of verse 4. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people... Without going into allot of explanation as to how and why this was one of the reasons for the heavy reliance on the sword: Hebrews 7: 18 For there is truly a disannulling of the commandment going before because of the weakness and profitableness of it. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw close to God. They had to conquer territory and hold that territory against the influence of the world around it. It didn't work well because once the territory was conquered they were primarily involved in defending that territory both spiritually and physically in a war of attrition that dragged on for generations. In the Kingdom of God today it's the Gospel that goes in first and if it does not change the culture there is no reason to bring other means to bare.
There were logical reasons for God doing things that way in ancient Israel at that time in history though: Mainly, to prepare a beachhead for his invasion of the earth through the Messiah that was to come. It is also worth mentioning that modern republics and democracies that are founded on various degree's of Biblical Principle. Places where the Gospel went first and transformed significant minorities of individuals that are an influence to the rest of the population have not been fighting unjust wars against each other. They have not sought to conquer their neighbors. This has generally been the story since the fall of the Roman Empire in 1453 AD which coincides with the prophesies about the rise of the invisible government of God in the earth. These same nations have also somewhat defended the world against wicked empires and tyranny. Something totally new in the world if you compare it to all of it's past history.

DavidPT said:

Since Zechariah 14 was something I was wanting to bring up as well, let's examine the following.

Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


Let's start here. I would think once this is fulfilled, it will be like this forever more. There is only one Jerusalem that is going to be here forever, that being the new Jerusalem. That's the Jerusalem that has to be in mind here.


Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

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Zechariah 14:1-2 is the Anti-Christ/NATIONS Conquering Jerusalem, ravishing their women etc. that happens in Rev. ch. 6.

Zechariah 14:3-4 is Jesus setting foot on the Mt. of Olives and destroying the NATIONS at Armageddon.