LDS How did the Mormon Jesus get his Exaltation?

Phoebe Ann said:

I think God hit me on the head with the Bible!

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LOL!!! Good for you---He usually has to take a 2 x 4!! I've had a few of those!!

Phoebe Ann said:

Quoting more recent manuals makes no difference. Truth doesn't change.

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Exactly---this was said by someone that was leading their church. a prophet, bearer of truth and filled with the Holy Spirit.---So now, because it's a few decades later, it is no longer truth?? Was the prophet lying, and if so, why are they in a church that follows a liar? Not one of the following "prophets" have said that this guy was not telling the truth, that none of this is true----unless you know of one of their prophets calling another one of the past prophets liars--or at the very least, mistaken?? Which means he was not filled with the Holy Spirit when he said this. Does this mean that those leaders of the past century were not filled with the Holy Spirit, only those of this century?

Jane_Doe said:

That quote is out of context of it's 1939 context. Try quoting a manual from this century. And I already told you my thoughts on that subject

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mmksparbud said,

That you think God was ever a man before becoming God is certainly a diminisher

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You believe that (God) the Son/Jesus became a man before he was fully God like his Father (God) the Father.

I say fully God because if Jesus were fully God he would not have declared that God the Father was greater than him.

As a resurrected being, Jesus became much more powerful than he was before he was resurrected.

There are many scriptures that declare that Jesus was not fully God before he was exalted after his resurrection. But he was God the Son before and during his earthly ministry.

So the idea that God became man is not a foreign doctrine to Jesus Christ.

Peter1000 said:

mmksparbud said,


You believe that (God) the Son/Jesus became a man before he was fully God like his Father (God) the Father.

I say fully God because if Jesus were fully God he would not have declared that God the Father was greater than him.

As a resurrected being, Jesus became much more powerful than he was before he was resurrected.

There are many scriptures that declare that Jesus was not fully God before he was exalted after his resurrection. But he was God the Son before and during his earthly ministry.

So the idea that God became man is not a foreign doctrine to Jesus Christ.

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Word games. Your believe is that God the Father was a man who became God. You say that so that you can than say we also can become a god. The Father was never a man before He became God. Jesus became a man in order to save us. Jesus was always the Son of God, equal with God, part of the Godhead, but always the Son of God. Jesus was still fully divine as a man but also fully human. How that was accomplished is not stated nor is it needed for us to know. At any point in His earthly ministry, He could have declined to go further and left us, but He did not. He died for our sins. He went back to being with His Father after the resurrection in a glorified human body, but retains His humanity for eternity. We will have the same glorified body at the resurrection, but we will never attain Godhood, equality with the Father is not possible for us. We were never divine, only human. Jesus is unique, He is both.
Again--Jesus never married, was never in a Mormon temple and can not, according to your standards, be exalted.

Peter1000 said:

mmksparbud said,


You believe that (God) the Son/Jesus became a man before he was fully God like his Father (God) the Father.

I say fully God because if Jesus were fully God he would not have declared that God the Father was greater than him.

As a resurrected being, Jesus became much more powerful than he was before he was resurrected.

There are many scriptures that declare that Jesus was not fully God before he was exalted after his resurrection. But he was God the Son before and during his earthly ministry.

So the idea that God became man is not a foreign doctrine to Jesus Christ.

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Word games. Your believe is that God the Father was a man who became God. You say that so that you can than say we also can become a god. The Father was never a man before He became God. Jesus became a man in order to save us. Jesus was always the Son of God, equal with God, part of the Godhead, but always the Son of God. Jesus was still fully divine as a man but also fully human. How that was accomplished is not stated nor is it needed for us to know. At any point in His earthly ministry, He could have declined to go further and left us, but He did not. He died for our sins. He went back to being with His Father after the resurrection in a glorified human body, but retains His humanity for eternity. We will have the same glorified body at the resurrection, but we will never attain Godhood, equality with the Father is not possible for us. We were never divine, only human. Jesus is unique, He is both.
Again--Jesus never married, was never in a Mormon temple and can not, according to your standards, be exalted.

Peter1000 said:

mmksparbud said,


You believe that (God) the Son/Jesus became a man before he was fully God like his Father (God) the Father.

I say fully God because if Jesus were fully God he would not have declared that God the Father was greater than him.

As a resurrected being, Jesus became much more powerful than he was before he was resurrected.

There are many scriptures that declare that Jesus was not fully God before he was exalted after his resurrection. But he was God the Son before and during his earthly ministry.

So the idea that God became man is not a foreign doctrine to Jesus Christ.

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Word games. Your believe is that God the Father was a man who became God. You say that so that you can than say we also can become a god. The Father was never a man before He became God. Jesus became a man in order to save us. Jesus was always the Son of God, equal with God, part of the Godhead, but always the Son of God. Jesus was still fully divine as a man but also fully human. How that was accomplished is not stated nor is it needed for us to know. At any point in His earthly ministry, He could have declined to go further and left us, but He did not. He died for our sins. He went back to being with His Father after the resurrection in a glorified human body, but retains His humanity for eternity. We will have the same glorified body at the resurrection, but we will never attain Godhood, equality with the Father is not possible for us. We were never divine, only human. Jesus is unique, He is both.
Again--Jesus never married, was never in a Mormon temple and can not, according to your standards, be exalted.

Peter1000 said:

mmksparbud said,


You believe that (God) the Son/Jesus became a man before he was fully God like his Father (God) the Father.

I say fully God because if Jesus were fully God he would not have declared that God the Father was greater than him.

As a resurrected being, Jesus became much more powerful than he was before he was resurrected.

There are many scriptures that declare that Jesus was not fully God before he was exalted after his resurrection. But he was God the Son before and during his earthly ministry.

So the idea that God became man is not a foreign doctrine to Jesus Christ.

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Word games. Your believe is that God the Father was a man who became God. You say that so that you can than say we also can become a god. The Father was never a man before He became God. Jesus became a man in order to save us. Jesus was always the Son of God, equal with God, part of the Godhead, but always the Son of God. Jesus was still fully divine as a man but also fully human. How that was accomplished is not stated nor is it needed for us to know. At any point in His earthly ministry, He could have declined to go further and left us, but He did not. He died for our sins. He went back to being with His Father after the resurrection in a glorified human body, but retains His humanity for eternity. We will have the same glorified body at the resurrection, but we will never attain Godhood, equality with the Father is not possible for us. We were never divine, only human. Jesus is unique, He is both.
Again--Jesus never married, was never in a Mormon temple and can not, according to your standards, be exalted.

Peter1000 said:

mmksparbud said,


You believe that (God) the Son/Jesus became a man before he was fully God like his Father (God) the Father.

I say fully God because if Jesus were fully God he would not have declared that God the Father was greater than him.

As a resurrected being, Jesus became much more powerful than he was before he was resurrected.

There are many scriptures that declare that Jesus was not fully God before he was exalted after his resurrection. But he was God the Son before and during his earthly ministry.

So the idea that God became man is not a foreign doctrine to Jesus Christ.

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Word games. Your believe is that God the Father was a man who became God. You say that so that you can than say we also can become a god. The Father was never a man before He became God. Jesus became a man in order to save us. Jesus was always the Son of God, equal with God, part of the Godhead, but always the Son of God. Jesus was still fully divine as a man but also fully human. How that was accomplished is not stated nor is it needed for us to know. At any point in His earthly ministry, He could have declined to go further and left us, but He did not. He died for our sins. He went back to being with His Father after the resurrection in a glorified human body, but retains His humanity for eternity. We will have the same glorified body at the resurrection, but we will never attain Godhood, equality with the Father is not possible for us. We were never divine, only human. Jesus is unique, He is both.
Again--Jesus never married, was never in a Mormon temple and can not, according to your standards, be exalted.

Peter1000 said:

mmksparbud said,


You believe that (God) the Son/Jesus became a man before he was fully God like his Father (God) the Father.

I say fully God because if Jesus were fully God he would not have declared that God the Father was greater than him.

As a resurrected being, Jesus became much more powerful than he was before he was resurrected.

There are many scriptures that declare that Jesus was not fully God before he was exalted after his resurrection. But he was God the Son before and during his earthly ministry.

So the idea that God became man is not a foreign doctrine to Jesus Christ.

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Word games. Your believe is that God the Father was a man who became God. You say that so that you can than say we also can become a god. The Father was never a man before He became God. Jesus became a man in order to save us. Jesus was always the Son of God, equal with God, part of the Godhead, but always the Son of God. Jesus was still fully divine as a man but also fully human. How that was accomplished is not stated nor is it needed for us to know. At any point in His earthly ministry, He could have declined to go further and left us, but He did not. He died for our sins. He went back to being with His Father after the resurrection in a glorified human body, but retains His humanity for eternity. We will have the same glorified body at the resurrection, but we will never attain Godhood, equality with the Father is not possible for us. We were never divine, only human. Jesus is unique, He is both.
Again--Jesus never married, was never in a Mormon temple and can not, according to your standards, be exalted.

AAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!! How did all those posts get on here???!!!! I didn't do it!! And I can't get rid of the extra posts!!! Does anyone know how I can get rid of those???

mmksparbud said:

Word games. Your believe is that God the Father was a man who became God.

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Yes, you are right, and the scriptures tell us that LDS is right.

Jesus became a man in order to save us.

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You are right again. Jesus (God the Son, the God of Israel) became a man. He was an embryo in Mary's womb, he was a baby boy, a childhood boy, a teenager, an young adult, and an adult man. He died on a cross just like all men die. Fully exalted Gods do not die. Jesus died. Now through his death, he can be fully God.

Jesus was always the Son of God, equal with God, part of the Godhead, but always the Son of God.

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This is where you and Jesus part company. Jesus is the one that said that his Father was greater than him. Do I have to quote the scripture? If they were equals at this point, why did Jesus call his Father/God greater than he was? You need to answer this question.

Jesus was still fully divine as a man but also fully human.

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This is another place that you and Jesus part company. The reason Jesus's Father/God was greater than he was, is because Jesus had not yet been resurrected. You cannot be exalted and be made perfect until after you are resurrected. So Jesus is not fully God as compared to his Father/God while he is still human.

How that was accomplished is not stated nor is it needed for us to know. At any point in His earthly ministry, He could have declined to go further and left us, but He did not.

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It is unclear what would have happened to Jesus if he had not accomplished his mission on earth.

He went back to being with His Father after the resurrection in a glorified human body, but retains His humanity for eternity.

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This is true, just like you will.

Again--Jesus never married, was never in a Mormon temple and can not, according to your standards, be exalted.

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You don't know that, nor do I, but it is possible he was married. His temple ceremonies could be performed in an LDS temple when Jesus wants them to be performed. Not a problem for him to get ready to be exalted.

Peter1000 said:

Yes, you are right, and the scriptures tell us that LDS is right.

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Name a scripture that states God the Father was a man before He became God

Peter1000 said:

This is where you and Jesus part company. Jesus is the one that said that his Father was greater than him. Do I have to quote the scripture? If they were equals at this point, why did Jesus call his Father/God greater than he was? You need to answer this question.

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Peter1000 said:

This is another place that you and Jesus part company. The reason Jesus's Father/God was greater than he was, is because Jesus had not yet been resurrected. You cannot be exalted and be made perfect until after you are resurrected. So Jesus is not fully God as compared to his Father/God while he is still human.

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I know the verse:
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

But He always gave respect unto His Father and did the will of His Father.



We will never be equal with God--this is what we will be equal to after the resurrection:
Luk_20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Peter1000 said:

You don't know that, nor do I, but it is possible he was married. His temple ceremonies could be performed in an LDS temple when Jesus wants them to be performed. Not a problem for him to get ready to be exalted.

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Speculation is not scriptural proof, is it? I can just as easily say, and much easier, that He was never married. There is no record of any, no one ever said He was, He Himself said He had no home---A Jewish woman moved into the home of the husband and his family, you have to stay with the wife for the first year and not work--Having such a short time on earth you really think He would take that time out from His work??
Deu 24:5 When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business: but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken.
There is no such thing as "exaltation". All saved will be in the presence of God and Jesus, thus, everyone that is saved is exalted. Can you please state one verse that says anyone that is saved will not be in the presence of God? I already posted the verses that say we will be with Jesus and He is in the presence of His Father.

mmksparbud said:

Name a scripture that states God the Father was a man before He became God

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In the following scripture, Jesus says that he can do nothing of himself. Does that sound like a fully vested God?
Jesus also says that he can only do what his Father/God taught him.
So read this and then we will see how his Father/God taught him the things to do.
John 8:28King James Version (KJV)
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Jesus tells us in the following scripure again, that the Son can do nothing of himself. Does that sound like a fully vested God?
Jesus says he does what he sees his Father/God do.
Jesus continues to teach us how he was taught by saying: for what things my Father/God does, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Now read how Jesus's Father/God taught him what he should do.
John 5:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

What it amounts to is the Father/God has already done what Jesus, His Son is doing now. The Father/God teaches Jesus what he has done before. Jesus sees what the Father/God has done before and imitates that behavior on this earth.

Peter1000 said:

In the following scripture, Jesus says that he can do nothing of himself. Does that sound like a fully vested God?
Jesus also says that he can only do what his Father/God taught him.
So read this and then we will see how his Father/God taught him the things to do.
John 8:28King James Version (KJV)
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Jesus tells us in the following scripure again, that the Son can do nothing of himself. Does that sound like a fully vested God?
Jesus says he does what he sees his Father/God do.
Jesus continues to teach us how he was taught by saying: for what things my Father/God does, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Now read how Jesus's Father/God taught him what he should do.
John 5:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

What it amounts to is the Father/God has already done what Jesus, His Son is doing now. The Father/God teaches Jesus what he has done before. Jesus sees what the Father/God has done before and imitates that behavior on this earth.

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God the Father is ALL KNOWING--- He was, with Mary and the Holy Spirit, training a human child in the way He should go. That does not take away from the divinity of Jesus, for He was still, the Son of God but in human form. He also tells us. You are taking this in a direction that is not meant in the least. God the Father did not tell Him how to die on the cross because He had done it Himself. God the Father is
Psa_103:8 The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
Exo 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

It is the attributes of God that were taught to the child. With those---Jesus was equipped for what He had to do. This in no way says anything about God the Father ever having been human.
Num_23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

mmksparbud said:

God the Father is ALL KNOWING--- He was, with Mary and the Holy Spirit, training a human child in the way He should go. That does not take away from the divinity of Jesus, for He was still, the Son of God but in human form. He also tells us. You are taking this in a direction that is not meant in the least. God the Father did not tell Him how to die on the cross because He had done it Himself. God the Father is
Psa_103:8 The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
Exo 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

It is the attributes of God that were taught to the child. With those---Jesus was equipped for what He had to do. This in no way says anything about God the Father ever having been human.
Num_23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

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Apparently you did not read that Jesus could do nothing of himself, except what he saw the Father do.

If the Father did not heal and raise people from the dead and cast out devils, and die on a cross, and be resurrected from the dead, then Jesus, the Son would not either, for as Jesus says, he can do nothing of himself. It is because he is not fully vested as a God. After he was resurrected and given exhaltation, he became equal unto the Father. Until that happened God the Father remained greater than he was, that is per Jesus, not JS.

Jesus was divine by the time he came to earth, but not fully vested. After his earthly experience he was fully God.

Peter1000 said:

Apparently you did not read that Jesus could do nothing of himself, except what he saw the Father do.

If the Father did not heal and raise people from the dead and cast out devils, and die on a cross, and be resurrected from the dead, then Jesus, the Son would not either, for as Jesus says, he can do nothing of himself. It is because he is not fully vested as a God. After he was resurrected and given exhaltation, he became equal unto the Father. Until that happened God the Father remained greater than he was, that is per Jesus, not JS.

Jesus was divine by the time he came to earth, but not fully vested. After his earthly experience he was fully God.

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I read it---it doesn't say what you say it does. What y9u fail to understand is that Jesus came to show the Father to the world, not Himself. We go through Jesus to God. God is the goal. God is the destination, Jesus is the journey. Jesus was exalted before He became a man, and He remained so. He lived in the presence of God before, during and after.
Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.
1Co_8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph_2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph_4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh_5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh_6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh_5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh_6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
1Jn_1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn_4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

mmksparbud said:

I read it---it doesn't say what you say it does. What y9u fail to understand is that Jesus came to show the Father to the world, not Himself. We go through Jesus to God. God is the goal. God is the destination, Jesus is the journey. Jesus was exalted before He became a man, and He remained so. He lived in the presence of God before, during and after.
Joh_10:30 I and my Father are one.
1Co_8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph_2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph_4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh_5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh_6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh_5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh_6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
1Jn_1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn_4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

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Again, LDS do believe that the Father and Son are ONE. We passionately believe all of these verses.