(Moved) The law. Is it done away with? Is it, really?

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

A_Thinker said:
Not quite ... for disobedience to God is also sin, ... whether it is written in any Law or not.

When God bid Abram leave his father's land and go to a place that He would show him ... for Abram not to have obeyed God's bidding in that instance ... would have been sin, ... despite the fact that it was not written into any Law at that time.

Likewise, when Jonah refused to go to Nineveh ... that was sin.

A question ... when Rahab bore false witness to those looking for the Hebrew spies, ... was that sin ? And if so, ... then why is she in mentioned as a heroine of faith in the book of Hebrews ... for doing this very thing ?

I truly believe that those that take the "just obey the Law" approach ... are taking the easy way out. For following the Spirit is infinitely more than making sure that you are in accord with a list of do's and don'ts ...

As I have opined before, as the fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of wisdom, ... so the observance of the Law ... is only the starting point in our walk with God. He has much MORE to show and to tell us, and to desire of us.

Following the advice of a marriage manual could be a great START to pursuing a successful marriage with my wife. But to FINISH successfully with her, ... I am called upon to do MUCH MORE ...

I had asked earlier, ... perhaps you can answer ...

Is the any command in the Law regarding prayer ???

I thought you meant that there was no more need for the law, and that it was done away with when you said:

"Jesus fulfilled the Law by giving His life to pay for our violations of the Law.

It is finished.

There is nothing left for us to do in regard to the Law."

The reason she was included in the hall of faith, was because although she knew it was a breaking of the law, she had faith that the reason she was doing it, was then going to be justified. Why was she justified? Because, the law is about love. The not bearing any false witness against your neighbor, doesn't just mean lying about something they've done. The main thing about that, is that you aren't to lie about something with the intent to hurt, or ruin them. When she did this, it revealed that she understood the intent of the law, which is love. The law, is love, because the law, is the way of God. So, to love God, is to love the law, and that which it says to do. This is reflected everywhere in the bible.

1 John 5:3 -
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

John 14:21 -
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

2 John 1:6 -
And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love.

They heard this commandment from the beginning, meaning that it was what was talked about in the beginning, in the Tanakh. Those of the spirit, saw that the law was out of love, and that God would justify His children, but those in the flesh, placed their faith in the letter, and not in God. Which is why She was mentioned in the hall of faith, because she was led by the spirit, and knew the law was about love, and that God would justify her righteousness.

I could keep linking verses about how God's law is love, and how those that are righteous love it, and enjoy it, and how it keeps them out of harm, etc, but I'll move on.

I'm not saying that you "just obey the law" I'm saying that we should desire to keep the law, because it's what God wants for us. Biblically, yes, if God literally comes down and talks to you, and tells you to do something, then NOT doing that, would be sin. But, does He come down and talk to you? Does He tell you, "A_Thinker, move to Canada."? No. We aren't normally gifted with that right now, I agree that not listening to God, is sin. But, you yourself said that the law wasn't done away with. So did Jesus. You yourself said that the law showed us our sin. If then, it still shows us our sin, how can you avoid sin without it?

1 John 3:4 -
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 John 3:24 -
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Here we see, that sin is in fact the transgression of the law. We also know that the Spirit He gives us, can show us whether or not we are His. How? This next verse can bring some light to that.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 -
26Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.

From this, God tells us what the giving of His Spirit will look like. We can also gain insight to what was meant in 1 John 3:24, because His Spirit, God says, will be known to reside in a man, because it will cause him to carefully observe His ordinances. Does this mean that the law will save us, because we carefully observe them? No, by our faith we will be saved, but the result of our salvation, will be evident by our works, because we will desire to listen to His laws and decrees.

James 2:14-20 -
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Paul even writes about this. I'll write it in an additional post, it's not necessarily to just you, but I just was pointed out something by Father, and I kind of want to run with it, because it's a really good point.

dqhall · Sep 10, 2017

Devin P said:
Jesus says in Matthew chapter 5:

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In verse 18, He says that not until heaven and earth pass, shall the law have to be removed. Heaven and earth are still here, so not only does this mean that the law is still meant to be obeyed. In verse 19, He says that whoever shall refrain from the law, and teach others to do the same will be called the least in the kingdom, but whoever keeps the law, and teaches others to do the same, will be called great. Then in verse 20:

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This is saying that, the righteousness of the Pharisees, was by the letter, and not of faith. So, in order to have more righteousness than a Pharisee, one must only believe, and trust in God. But, we are to still keep the laws as the Pharisees said to, as stated by Jesus here: Matthew 23:1-3 - 1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

He is saying that the Pharisees teach the law of Moses, and that His disciples are to obey and to keep that law. To listen to them, because they preach the law of Moses, but only not to do as they do, because they place their faith in justification in themselves, and in man, not in God.

The law was never done away with, because it's displaying the Character of God. God cannot change. What is sin against Him yesterday, is sin against Him today and forever. Satan has infiltrated us, and caused us to view the law as sinful, which it is not. Jesus literally tells us that it isn't to pass until after judgement. We are to keep the law, but out of faith. I don't mean, out of faith the way the world says out of faith, I mean, that by having faith that God will justify you when you fail at it. Because you will. This knowing of your impossibility to keep the law shouldn't deter you from desiring to keep it. Romans 7 is a testament to that. The whole chapter is about him struggling to keep the laws of God, because his flesh and spirit are constantly warring one against the other. As we do today.

The doctrinal teaching of all grace and no law, isn't biblical. Abraham was justified by faith, but still kept the law. Genesis 26:5

Noah knew about clean and unclean animals Genesis 7:2
He even sacrificed a burnt offering on an altar, and only used clean animals to offer up: Genesis 8:20

Abraham also sacrificed a clean animal for a burnt offering to God, Genesis 22:13. It's not the law of Moses, it's the law of God, and it is never changing, because God is never changing. Abraham, although he was justified by faith, still kept the law of God. Genesis 26:5

The law was in fact a shadow, but only because through it, a lot of men thought that they were justified, when in fact, God is the only one who can justify. All of the bible is written about Israel. Israel, are God's children. They are those that have faith in God to justify, and be merciful, while they keep and uphold His laws. That is quite literally, every single great man ever written about in the bible. They struggled to keep the laws, while being strengthened by a sound faith in God. Moses was subject to the law, but saw and talked with God because of faith. David was to keep the law, but was justified by faith. Abraham was to keep it, but was justified by faith, Noah was to keep it, but was justified by faith. The prophets were to keep it, but were justified by faith. Jesus, was to keep it, and did. He was justified by the law, because He is the law. He is the word made flesh.

People try to say that people after Moses were the only ones to have known the law, but this biblically speaking, isn't so. It can be shown, over and over again throughout the pre-exodus scriptures. Even when Lot was visited by the Angels of the Lord. What type of bread did he offer up to Them? Genesis 19:3 - Unleavened bread. How would he have known to offer up to this being, unleavened bread if it weren't for the law? How about how just a chapter previously, where Abraham gave the Angel of the Lord a grain offering Genesis 18:6? These things were written about first with Moses, but they didn't originate there. The offerings, were done away with in Jesus, but not the laws themselves. The keeping of the 7th day Sabbath, the keeping of the Feast days, they are to remain until the end of time.

Besides, the feast days should be something we should want to celebrate. They all point to Jesus. All of them. Jesus has already fulfilled the first 4, and the last three He will come to fulfill as well. The very next one He has to fulfill is the feast of Trumpets. He will come during that time. No one knows exactly the day or the hour, but we know the season. It will happen in the fall, but because of Satan's influence, we don't know the exact day, or hour, only the season. Revelations says that Jesus will come when the last trumpet sounds, and the feast of trumpets, is one of the 3 feast days He hasn't yet fulfilled. The last two deal with separation of good and bad seed, and the reunion of God with His children. Both things, that Jesus will fulfill after He returns. Instead, we follow man-made tradition, and celebrate the evolution of the feast of Saturnalia (Christmas) Although, I'll save you from reading about this, as I'll make another thread about the pagan origins of modern-day holidays we observe today. This thread is long enough haha. God bless, brothers and sisters. May the work and deception of Satan not deceive you from keeping, speaking, and living in truth.

I do not know anyone who celebrates Saturnalia. Jesus tipped over the tables of those selling sacrificial animals as God does not require burnt offerings.

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

Okay, so I have some questions here. What does God say, is the way of peace?

Psalm 119:165 - Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Here we see that whoever loves God's law, has great peace.

Proverbs 16:7 - When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.

So, here we see that a man's ways, can be pleasing to the Father, and when this man's ways please Father, it brings peace between him and other men.

In 1 Peter 1:13-16 -

13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Paul here, was referencing Leviticus 20, when he said "Be ye holy; for I am holy. He was referencing the Torah, when God told us how we are to be holy. His instruction was as follows:

Leviticus 20:7-8 -
7Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.
8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

We are called by God, to sanctify ourselves, or, to set ourselves apart. What does being holy, even as He is holy look like? He tells us in verse 8, that being holy, even as He is holy is keeping his statutes.

In Hebrews 12:14 we see that, Paul instructs us to follow "peace with all men" and "holiness" He also writes in 1 Peter to "

14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

What is peace with all men? The bible describes it, as obedience to the law, because as shown above, he who keeps God's law, God will make even his enemies be at peace with him. So, if his enemies are to be at peace with him, for his obedience to the law, how much more his brothers?

We see here, that Paul referred to holiness by his reference, and as his reference show us, holiness, is the keeping of the statutes of God. Not FOR salvation, but as the root of it. Because, there is no faith without works. As James said,

James 2:20 - But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

My point is, we are called to walk by the Spirit. The Spirit of God. But, what does this look like? God Himself, answers this question:

Ezekiel 36:26 -
26“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.

Here we see that the Spirit of God living in us, will cause us to carefully observe His ordinances. This doesn't mean that we observe it for salvation, but that it's the evidence OF our salvation, because faith without works is dead. Which works shall we then do to be evidence of our faith? The works of God, and those works, are the laws of God.

A_Thinker · Sep 10, 2017

Devin P said:
You yourself said that the law showed us our sin. If then, it still shows us our sin, how can you avoid sin without it?

By following the Spirit.

Do you doubt this ?

My point is that the objective of "observing the Law" is insufficient ... for properly relating to God.

Which is why God ... "does a new thing" and Jesus brings "new wine".

I've asked repeatedly about whether the Law says anything about prayer, ... without getting a response.

While it is clearly the case that Jesus said that ... "Men should always pray."

You won't get this from the Law, ... but you will from following the Spirit.

It is clear that following the Spirit is SUPERIOR to observing the Law.

Hebrews 8

6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said ...

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,

when I will make a new covenant

with the people of Israel

and with the people of Judah.

9 It will not be like the covenant

I made with their ancestors

when I took them by the hand

to lead them out of Egypt,

because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,

and I turned away from them,

declares the Lord.

10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel

after that time, declares the Lord.

I will put my laws in their minds

and write them on their hearts.

I will be their God,

and they will be my people.

11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,

or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’

because they will all know me,

from the least of them to the greatest.

12 For I will forgive their wickedness

and will remember their sins no more.”

13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

dqhall said:
I do not know anyone who celebrates Saturnalia. Jesus tipped over the tables of those selling sacrificial animals as God does not require burnt offerings.

He also flipped over the tables of the moneychangers, and yes, the tables of the sellers of doves. God does not desire sacrifice, He desires mercy. Which is why all those who lived by faith all throughout the OT, even though they read the same scriptures as the majority of people, they saw that His word, wasn't about cruelty, and wasn't about fulfilling the law for salvation, they saw that it was about depending on Him to save us, but the result of that salvation, was the following of the law. Not the root of the salvation.

You actually, sadly do know more people that celebrate Saturnalia than you'd think, because the origin of Christmas is the feast of saturnalia. It's something I've not wanted to admit for the longest time, and it was hard for me as well at first to look into it, but during the 3rd and 4th centuries, in order to bring pagans into the church, we adopted this feast, and changed a few things around to fit them in so they'd feel more comfortable in christianity. But nonetheless, it's what was made to facilitate paganism. Actually, our early fathers (of the united states) actually banned the practicing of Christmas early on in our nation's history, because it was such a dangerous and vile celebration. It sounds ridiculous, and it was again, hard for me at first to look at because we are brought up to love christmas so much, but I urge you to be skeptical and look into it for yourself. The same thing is true with Easter (in regards to it being adopted to lure Pagans into worshipping Jesus, and the roots of this holiday being about a pagan god) People in the early church tried to make it about Jesus, but God already gives us a feast day to celebrate the resurrection of our Savior - the Feast of First Fruits!

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

A_Thinker said:
By following the Spirit.

Do you doubt this ?

Not at all my brother! I don't doubt that we are to follow His Spirit in the slightest!

Ezekiel 36:26 - 26“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances."

I just feel we have two different opinions of what following the Spirit looks like.

A_Thinker · Sep 10, 2017

Devin P said:
You actually, sadly do know more people that celebrate Saturnalia than you'd think, because the origin of Christmas is the feast of saturnalia.

Christmas and Saturnalia are different celebrations.

The origin of a thing is not determinate of it's being, ... else we'd all be unsalvageable ...

God has chosen to redeem the things of this world ... for His glory ...

dqhall · Sep 10, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
You are ignoring the points made. The Jerusalem Church did NOT( NOT) intend for gentile converts, as time went on to observe any.ore than the four laws given in Acts ch15. For yet again I will repeat. Years later they RECONFIRMED to Paul they were ONLY asking gentiles to observe FOUR Jewish laws( Acts21:25)

And once more. Gods appicable laws are N OT arbitrary. You cannot choose which ones to follow and which ones to ignore. Therefore, if you are correct, the Jerusalem Church failed gentile converts abysmally.
And once again. If you are correct, the Jerusalem Church, many of whom had been Christ's disciples gave gentile converts a licence to sin for the whole of their lives( Acts21:25)

That is obviously ridiculous. However, people come to these debates with their set beliefs, and will, come what may depart with them

If you check the Gospels, you might find Jesus reiterated murder and adultery are banned. These laws have not been done away with. In addition lust and anger are banned. This may eliminate: war, birth defects and broken families.

If you follow the Torah, you must tithe to a Levite priest and attend three mandatory festivals in Jerusalem. Attendance of these festivals was required of males old enough to walk long distances (Talmud). These are Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles/Booths. Some men brought their wives and daughters to festivals. These laws are not required of Christians (Acts 15). See also: 'Jerusalem During the Time of Jesus,' Jeremiah Joachim. The Orthodox Jewish observance of the Torah has been determined by Talmudic scholars.

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

A_Thinker said:
Christmas and Saturnalia are different celebrations.

The origin of a thing is not determinate of it's being, ... else we'd all be unsalvageable ...

God has chosen to redeem the things of this world ... for His glory ...

Idk, different strokes. He also calls us not to worship Him the way the world worships their gods, and so, since I know that the 25th isn't the birth of Jesus but in fact the birth of a pagan god, I choose myself, not to observe Christmas, because it is based on and rooted in paganism. God gave us His Holy Days to observe, that aren't rooted in and riddled with paganism, and so I choose to keep His appointed days, not ones appointed by man. To each their own though, it was hard for me to give up in the beginning as well, so I can't blame you there.

The things of this world yes, but not the wickedness that man has perverted therein. A pine tree that man cuts down and dress, builds an alter to and kneels before as a god no, but the pine tree itself, unaffected by man's influence yes.

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

dqhall said:
If you check the Gospels, you might find Jesus reiterated murder and adultery are banned. These laws have not been done away with. In addition lust and anger are banned. This may eliminate: war, birth defects, and broken families.

If you follow the Torah, you must tithe to a Levite priest and attend three mandatory festivals in Jerusalem. These festivals were required of males old enough to walk long distances (Talmud). These are Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles/Booths. Some men brought their wives and daughters to festivals. These laws are not required of Christians (Acts 15). See also: 'Jerusalem During the Time of Jesus,' Jeremiah Joachim. The Orthodox Jewish observance of the Torah has been determined by Talmudic scholars.

Tithing to Levite priests isn't doable. We are children, and lost sheep of the house of Israel. Meaning are of the 10 lost tribes of Israel and are in dispersion amongst the gentiles, and being in dispersion there are things we cannot do. There are however laws that even being in dispersion we can. But sacrificial laws (that Jesus alone completed), judicial laws such as stoning (requiring a Godly appointed council of judges), and others that involve a tabernacle, cannot be done. But he calls us to do those that can be done whilst in dispersion. Things like the Sabbath on the7th day, wearing tzits, avoiding pork, etc.

stuart lawrence · Sep 10, 2017

dqhall said:
If you check the Gospels, you might find Jesus reiterated murder and adultery are banned. These laws have not been done away with. In addition lust and anger are banned. This may eliminate: war, birth defects and broken families.

If you follow the Torah, you must tithe to a Levite priest and attend three mandatory festivals in Jerusalem. Attendance of these festivals was required of males old enough to walk long distances (Talmud). These are Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles/Booths. Some men brought their wives and daughters to festivals. These laws are not required of Christians (Acts 15). See also: 'Jerusalem During the Time of Jesus,' Jeremiah Joachim. The Orthodox Jewish observance of the Torah has been determined by Talmudic scholars.

If you check the Bible, the law God desires you to follow is written in your mind and placed on your heart under the core terms of the NC.
What is in your mind, you in your mind must know. The law in your heart must bring heartfelt conviction you sin when you wilfully transgress it. That law would include murder, lust and adultery.
Other things are disputable matters

dqhall · Sep 10, 2017

Devin P said:
He also flipped over the tables of the moneychangers, and yes, the tables of the sellers of doves. God does not desire sacrifice, He desires mercy. Which is why all those who lived by faith all throughout the OT, even though they read the same scriptures as the majority of people, they saw that His word, wasn't about cruelty, and wasn't about fulfilling the law for salvation, they saw that it was about depending on Him to save us, but the result of that salvation, was the following of the law. Not the root of the salvation.

You actually, sadly do know more people that celebrate Saturnalia than you'd think, because the origin of Christmas is the feast of saturnalia. It's something I've not wanted to admit for the longest time, and it was hard for me as well at first to look into it, but during the 3rd and 4th centuries, in order to bring pagans into the church, we adopted this feast, and changed a few things around to fit them in so they'd feel more comfortable in christianity. But nonetheless, it's what was made to facilitate paganism. Actually, our early fathers (of the united states) actually banned the practicing of Christmas early on in our nation's history, because it was such a dangerous and vile celebration. It sounds ridiculous, and it was again, hard for me at first to look at because we are brought up to love christmas so much, but I urge you to be skeptical and look into it for yourself. The same thing is true with Easter (in regards to it being adopted to lure Pagans into worshipping Jesus, and the roots of this holiday being about a pagan god) People in the early church tried to make it about Jesus, but God already gives us a feast day to celebrate the resurrection of our Savior - the Feast of First Fruits!

The origin of my Christmas celebration Is in remembering Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I did not sing hymns to Saturn. I sang Christmas carols. I do not offer sacrifices to Saturn. You have distorted the truth.

A_Thinker · Sep 10, 2017

Devin P said:
A pine tree that man cuts down and dress, builds an alter to and kneels before as a god ...

You've seen such a thing ???

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

A_Thinker said:
You've seen such a thing ???

A christmas tree. The christmas tree, in saturnalia represented the god of saturn. We might dress it up, but God says about this issue:

2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

I know that this isn't how it is to you brother, because I came from the same view point as you have displayed you are now in. But, nonetheless, this feast, the feast of saturnalia existed long before Jesus, and it had led many a men of faith astray. Which is why God warned us about it. The tree, is representative of a certain part of the "god" of saturn. It's rather explicit when you get into the history of it, so I'll spare you the details, but regardless of our good intentions, we can't dress up something God sees as abominable, and make it suddenly acceptable. A pig in a tuxedo, is still a pig. This is how I see it, because I see it reflected in this way all throughout the bible, and I'm not saying that you're condemned if you celebrate christmas, I'm just pointing to the scriptures that convicted me, and that helped me to look at it in a different light. Because once I looked into the origins of christmas, and what the tree represents, and found scripture that attests to these things, because the meanings of the things we still observe (the mistletoe, the stockings, who santa is, the meaning of ho ho ho, etc.) the true intent behind all of these things is so against God, I couldn't see how one could use them to worship God, especially when He not only talks against doing this, but also, gives us holy days that we can use to worship with that aren't tainted by whoredom. If you don't feel the same, that's fine, I'm not condemning you, I'm just saying why I believe the way I do.

Devin P · Sep 10, 2017

stuart lawrence said:
If you check the Bible, the law God desires you to follow is written in your mind and placed on your heart under the core terms of the NC.
What is in your mind, you in your mind must know. The law in your heart must bring heartfelt conviction you sin when you wilfully transgress it. That law would include murder, lust and adultery.
Other things are disputable matters

Ezekiel 36:26-27

JIMINZ · Sep 10, 2017

claninja said:
Here, I'll make it easy and clear what I think the law written on gentiles hearts means: to love your neighbor as yourself, as this is the fulfillment of the law.
I do not believe it means any of the other regulations (food restrictions, temple instructions, circumcision, etc...) were written on the gentiles heart.

This means i do believe there WAS a change in the law. It also appears that the author of Hebrews believes that there was a change In the law
Hebrews 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

However, you originally stated the law was not done away with (this would mean unchanged), so i am still trying to understand what you mean by that. But for some reason, you are still not wanting to explain why you believe that.

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Which Law do you suppose, Jesus was speaking about in these verses?

Mat 5:17,18
17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

When Paul speaks of the Law in these verses, which Laws is he speaking of, which Laws are fulfilled in Christ, therefore, which Laws are written on the hearts of the believers?

Heb 10:6-22
6) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7) Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21) And having an high priest over the house of God;
22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
When it comes right down to it, it is all of the Law.

Col. 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Which Ordinances was Paul speaking?

These verses demonstrate how the Law is applied to us, which Law, "ALL LAW" are these Laws done away with, No, they were fulfilled for us by Jesus the Christ.

Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
We therefore have become dead to the Law, through Jesus, and the Law has not been done away with, it has been fulfilled.

1Jn. 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom. 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

A_Thinker · Sep 10, 2017

Devin P said:
A christmas tree. The christmas tree, in saturnalia represented the god of saturn. We might dress it up, but God says about this issue:

2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

A little more of the passage ... makes it clear that the writer is speaking of a wooden idol.

Jeremiah 10

1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

I could find no reference to the god of Saturn being depicted as any type of tree. Saturnalia did not feature trees in its celebration, though boughs and wreaths were sometimes hung.

The modern christmas tree has its roots in 16th century Germany ...

Modern Christmas trees originated during the Renaissance of early modern Germany. Its 16th-century origins are sometimes associated with Protestant Christian reformer Martin Luther who is said to have first added lighted candles to an evergreen tree.

RDKirk · Sep 10, 2017

A_Thinker said:
Christmas and Saturnalia are different celebrations.

The origin of a thing is not determinate of it's being, ... else we'd all be unsalvageable ...

God has chosen to redeem the things of this world ... for His glory ...

People are not equated to things. There are certainly actions that are not salvageable.

Thus says the LORD, "Do not learn the way of the nations, And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens Although the nations are terrified by them;

For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.

Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good." -- Jeremiah 10

You must not worship the LORD your God in their way. -- Deuteronomy 12

RDKirk · Sep 10, 2017

A_Thinker said:
The modern christmas tree has its roots in 16th century Germany ...

Which had its roots in Teutonic paganism.

Certainly there is no direct route from the practice Jeremiah preached against and modern Christmas trees, but that doesn't matter.

God appears to be very sensitive to the invention of practices of worship other than those He directed.

On that day I will punish all who avoid stepping on the threshold -- Zephaniah 1

He was speaking of Israelites there who had picked up a common superstitious practice. Where did that come from? That came from:

But the following morning when they rose, there was Dagon, fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of the LORD! His head and hands had been broken off and were lying on the threshold; only his body remained.

That is why to this day neither the priests of Dagon nor any others who enter Dagon's temple at Ashdod step on the threshold. -- 1 Samuel 5

I'd side-eye any practice of worship that wasn't explicitly directed by Jesus. And there aren't but a couple of those. But true religion is explicitly defined:

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1

What is the benefit of doing anything else?

A_Thinker · Sep 10, 2017

RDKirk said:
People are not equated to things. There are certainly actions that are not salvageable.

Thus says the LORD, "Do not learn the way of the nations, And do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens Although the nations are terrified by them;

For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.

Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good." -- Jeremiah 10

You must not worship the LORD your God in their way. -- Deuteronomy 12

The Christmas tree (originating in 16th century Germany) is not an idol, which is being spoken of here. It is not worshipped, ... nor used in any worship of God.

(Moved) The law. Is it done away with? Is it, really?

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