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Jesus sometimes told those He healed miraculously "not to tell anyone". Obviously, it means -- don't make a testimony out of it!

Also told us to not let our good deeds be known (as opposed to what the Pharisees do who "broadcast" their good deeds) and conduct our good deeds in secret.

The problem is obvious. And testimonies could potentially be deceitful in its intent and purpose even though the intent of the speaker is pure and good.

Then why share testimonies at all? Especially if a testimony in what God has done is literally central to one's existence?
 
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A good therapist would be in order.

People recommend therapists way too often on here. Whether or not a person needs one.

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I still think they can be good if you find the right fit. Are they right for everyone? No. But mine has helped me put things in perspective.

Fair enough. I just know that if I listened to certain members on here, I would live in the mental hospital. However, those who have video chatted with me on Skype, know I'm fairly sane.
 
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Fair enough. I just know that if I listened to certain members on here, I would live in the mental hospital. However, those who have video chatted with me on Skype, know I'm fairly sane.

You and me both, minus the Skype part. I can't listen to every member on here for the sake of my mental health. There have been times where I've thought of leaving CF for a while.
 
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You and me both, minus the Skype part. I can't listen to every member on here for the sake of my mental health.

Respect.

By the way, that boat picture wasn't really against you. It was more of a general metaphor.
 
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People recommend therapists way too often on here. Whether or not a person needs one.
Recommending that someone look into that option is better than being an armchair psychologist to a stranger.

Frankly, most people could use one, at least at certain times. It's hard to recommend it "too often."
 
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Then why share testimonies at all? Especially if a testimony in what God has done is literally central to one's existence?

There's something else at work, a paradox. I hope you don't mind me posting some verses to get my point across.

Matthew 6:4
so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Jesus expects a different type of "testimony" that is far more subtle than what we do today.

Mark 1:44
"See that you don't tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them."

Jesus doesn't want these type of "believers":

John 4:48
"Unless you people see signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe."

No sign will be given:

Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.


Now you see why these things have to be kept hidden if possible. Jesus doesn't want someone who believe because they saw God do something good in one's life or their life (otherwise, they wouldn't have believed).

Otherwise, the conversion might not be genuine... That's the paradox.... Jesus would rather see a few true believers than billions who believed for the wrong reasons.
 
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Well God did do something good in my life. I credit Him with being alive at all. With me it's an integral part of who I am. Not really sure how else I am supposed to feel about it, except praise Him.

It is a major reason I believe in Christ, especially as I had no choice in what time I was born or under what circumstances. Difficult for most people to understand if they haven't been through something similar.
 
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I would say if that's the kind of attitude you're walking away from church with, maybe both you and that church need to have a round of introspection. General rule of thumb: if a place puts a high price on testimony and it isn't a courtroom, give it a wide berth because that shows it's just subject to the whimsy of whoever the mic is passed to that day.

It sounds like this church isn't imparting any grace, nor does it sound like you have the right idea about what church is meant to be. It's not a soirée. If you want that join the Rotary Club. Sundays are meant to worship God and receive the Sacraments. Full stop.

Maybe think about what your priorities are in your faith.

Hosea 6:6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

yes, i am current in rock bottom at the moment



so?

yes, if after all the worshiping you have been doing, you still bore bunch of wrong fruits (as you are displaying here), then you might want to do some introspection on what is going wrong with your spiritual life. especially the world and other beginner Christians are watching, they should not be tripped by the type of example you are setting here.

but yes, the body of Christ is suppose to be one of those places where those who are weak and vulnerable should be able to get help instead of being tore down

alternatively, if you want to a church to abide by your personal philosophy, you might want to start worshiping at home and invite a few of your like minded buddies to worship with you.

if you don't want to contribute to others in a positive way, the least you can do is to stay away and keep your tearing down to yourself.
 
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Jesus sometimes told those He healed miraculously "not to tell anyone". Obviously, it means -- don't make a testimony out of it!

Also told us to not let our good deeds be known (as opposed to what the Pharisees do who "broadcast" their good deeds) and conduct our good deeds in secret.

The problem is obvious. And testimonies could potentially be deceitful in its intent and purpose even though the intent of the speaker is pure and good.

Wow.

I never thought about that.
 
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If that is the case, then I would offer this.

Addressing the OP now, it is really easy to justify saying certain things by saying that it is just venting or just our thoughts and opinions, but if your words are crude and offensive, there is no justification for that.

I doubt you will like what I have to say but I want to be straight. It sounds to me like you are the one with the problem, not the pastor or the woman you described. You are allowing the bitterness of your life circumstances to completely color everything else, and the result is that you are actually sort of justifying the situation that you are in. You seem extremely bitter about being lonely and not having friends, but consider for a second, would you want to be friends with someone who you knew could possibly go off and rant to others about you, calling you fat or a prostitute? Because that's what I would be wondering if I were your friend. When you go on these crude, scathing rants, do you really think that causes people to be interested in pursuing friendship with you? And then thing is, you may only do it online, but people in your life can sense that bitterness and desperation, just as they can sense if you are a person who is at peace with their life and exercises gratitude. This bitterness and hatred is only going to keep dragging you down, and these rants will never make you feel better either. What you need is to start accepting the circumstances of your life, that they are what they are, and that only you are responsible for changing them if you so desire. No one is going to do that for you.

too bad.

given some of you past comments towards myself, i am not interested in hearing what you have to say.
 
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I wish you healing. :yellowheart: I see that you've responded to two of my posts with the Funny reaction. I hope that you're able to talk to someone and take this seriously so that you can find happiness.
 
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You may be hurting yourself, but I don't think the way you spoke about that woman was justified.

In denouncing her faults you've highlighted a handful of your own. To that end, I'd recommend you don't dwell on the shortcomings of others because the longer you do that the longer you'll be searching for that calm and peace within yourself. Bitterness is bitterness whether it's regarding one's own situation or another's, and it'll eat you up and keep you downtrodden not because of an action, but your reaction to it.

Yes it sounds like she's taking her blessings for granted, but if any change is going to come from that, it isn't by verbally assaulting them directly or indirectly like you did. Think of the people on the street yelling to accept Christ or burn in Hell; how many people do you think they really lead to Christ? Certainly not as many as those that walk past rolling their eyes trying to stifle a laugh. Change occurs in love, compassion, respect and sincerity; exhibit those traits and you'll be far more likely to reach someone's heart because it's more akin to Christ and Christ-likeness; the alternative is being dogmatic, loud and offensive to people that will immediately put them on the defensive and entrench them in their own position because that is the natural response.

Perhaps speak with your Pastor about it and ask for his help and spiritual guidance to help free you up from bitterness and maybe ask him for some Biblical guidelines in how to approach and question conflict, disagreement or particular emotions(envy, anger, frustration, etc), because ultimately it is a process that doesn't come naturally to many people. A lot of people's reaction is, well, reactionary; we very often speak before with think and I believe in instances like this, we really need to think before we speak. Observe the event through a Biblical lens and apply the framework you develop in approaching those sorts of things to break it down, analyse it and determine how best to approach it from a Biblical perspective and hopefully in a way that edifies both parties.

We all stumble. We all have monkeys on our backs that get the better of us sometimes but I firmly believe the action is seldom as important as our reaction to it; if you do wrong, make it right, whether it's the same day or same week, don't be too proud or consumed by another emotion to return to it and do the right thing.

Okay I'm going on and on and on so I'll shut up.
 
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People recommend therapists way too often on here. Whether or not a person needs one.

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Is it wise to wait until your car blows a head gasket to take it into the shop? The answer's no. The idea that something needs to be 'wrong' to go see a counselor is a ridiculous fallacy.

Hosea 6:6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

yes, i am current in rock bottom at the moment



so?

yes, if after all the worshiping you have been doing, you still bore bunch of wrong fruits (as you are displaying here), then you might want to do some introspection on what is going wrong with your spiritual life. especially the world and other beginner Christians are watching, they should not be tripped by the type of example you are setting here.

but yes, the body of Christ is suppose to be one of those places where those who are weak and vulnerable should be able to get help instead of being tore down

alternatively, if you want to a church to abide by your personal philosophy, you might want to start worshiping at home and invite a few of your like minded buddies to worship with you.

if you don't want to contribute to others in a positive way, the least you can do is to stay away and keep your tearing down to yourself.

I call it like I see it.
 
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You may be hurting yourself, but I don't think the way you spoke about that woman was justified.

In denouncing her faults you've highlighted a handful of your own. To that end, I'd recommend you don't dwell on the shortcomings of others because the longer you do that the longer you'll be searching for that calm and peace within yourself. Bitterness is bitterness whether it's regarding one's own situation or another's, and it'll eat you up and keep you downtrodden not because of an action, but your reaction to it.

Yes it sounds like she's taking her blessings for granted, but if any change is going to come from that, it isn't by verbally assaulting them directly or indirectly like you did. Think of the people on the street yelling to accept Christ or burn in Hell; how many people do you think they really lead to Christ? Certainly not as many as those that walk past rolling their eyes trying to stifle a laugh. Change occurs in love, compassion, respect and sincerity; exhibit those traits and you'll be far more likely to reach someone's heart because it's more akin to Christ and Christ-likeness; the alternative is being dogmatic, loud and offensive to people that will immediately put them on the defensive and entrench them in their own position because that is the natural response.

Perhaps speak with your Pastor about it and ask for his help and spiritual guidance to help free you up from bitterness and maybe ask him for some Biblical guidelines in how to approach and question conflict, disagreement or particular emotions(envy, anger, frustration, etc), because ultimately it is a process that doesn't come naturally to many people. A lot of people's reaction is, well, reactionary; we very often speak before with think and I believe in instances like this, we really need to think before we speak. Observe the event through a Biblical lens and apply the framework you develop in approaching those sorts of things to break it down, analyse it and determine how best to approach it from a Biblical perspective and hopefully in a way that edifies both parties.

We all stumble. We all have monkeys on our backs that get the better of us sometimes but I firmly believe the action is seldom as important as our reaction to it; if you do wrong, make it right, whether it's the same day or same week, don't be too proud or consumed by another emotion to return to it and do the right thing.

Okay I'm going on and on and on so I'll shut up.

it is said God gave us two ears and one mouth

that is i find it particular hurtful that you seem to be making all kind of wild accusations here and give me a lecture instead asking for clarifications.

Matthew 7:5

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

you need to talk to a therapist first and remove all the junks in your heart first before you turn your attention to me.
 
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