Are All Men Created Equal?

jimmyjimmy said:

Why do I hear Liberals screaming, day and night, that we do?

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The true liberal position is that ... "We should LOVE our fellowmen ... as we love ourselves (or our own) ...

Will there be a least to the greatest in Heaven ? Yes . And why couldn't Jesus grant the mother of Zebedee's sons request of seating her sons to his right and left in his kingdom ? But there will be a long line ahead of me for sure and I will rejoice for and with them ..

jimmyjimmy said:

To many that equates to an equal outcome in all things.

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I can't speak for them ... or for those who give in to the seeming inevitability of it all ... and so, become partial with their LOVE.

My leader gave His life ... for those who were clearly not up to par ...

jimmyjimmy said:

False dichotomy.

How is it fair that people are born with different abilities?

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I don't see it as unfair. It's only unfair if people assume that there is no value in diversity.

exitstageright said:

I do not think that admiring someone for one's ability is always wrong or worldly.

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This is a good clarification Thank you

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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I would take it to mean that all people who belong to the class homo sapien possess equal inherent moral worth and value from the moment of their conception until their death.

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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A man born blind is considered handicapped. Not all born physically equal.

There should be equal justice under the law. That means if a man of one ethnic group shoplifts and is caught, he should not get a more severe sentence than a shoplifter of a different ethnic group.

jimmyjimmy said:

More than money, certain abilities and traits make life very easy for some.

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It depends on how each person is doing things. It can look as though things are easy for a certain person, because of one's money or abilities or circumstances, but how well can the person relate in love in marriage and in bringing up one's children?

There are ones with a lot, but enough never is enough for them.

And Jesus says His yoke is easy. What is truly easy does not come with circumstances and money and honey, but with learning how to walk with Jesus in His peace > Matthew 11:28-30 with Colossians 3:15.

What happens if one's things change or if someone dies? Is the person ready to do well in God's grace then? If we do have some nice things, do we have the ability to enjoy and share (1 Timothy 6:17) them and be content "with such things as you have" (Hebrews 13:5), or do we have deep weakness so anxiety can deeply degrade us (Philippians 4:11-13, 1 John 4:18)?

So, having a lot and abilities can be not fair for the person, if he or she does not know how to manage it, emotionally and spiritually and socially.

Our Apostle Paul had the ability to be content in whatever state he was > Philippians 4:11-13. God's grace made him become able to live and love like this. And anyone can have how God's grace lives in us. We are not being fair with ourselves, then, if we try to make an easy life, but on our own.

"Good understanding gains favor,
.But the way of the unfaithful is hard."
. . . . . . . . . . . . (Proverbs 18:13)

jimmyjimmy said:

Women with beauty have countless advantages in life.

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But this can be because of beauty discrimination which has deeply ruined people from knowing how to love the way Jesus says to love.

"'Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.'" (John 7:24)

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.'" (1 Peter 3:4)

Look at how ones so beautiful can be deeply fearing older age when they fear that they won't look so nice. And they can worry about what they look like, while they are looking in the mirror; but that worry is ugly!!!! > while you are worrying, your ugly worry can make you look much worse than how you look while you are lovingly smiling at people . . . by the way

Ones can dread older age, because of how they feel ones won't like them so much after they look less beautiful. It is wise to not seek marriage and favor with people who do not know how to love you!! . . . and not to depend on what you look like, in order to try to get and keep love. The bait you use can be what chooses the fish you catch

I know extravagantly gorgeous women who know how to keep it in its place. They are not conceited, at all. And they relate with love and caring for any and all people, and they are humble, not trying to be more than anyone else. And they minister my attention to God and to loving any and all people; their spiritual effect is not to get me all whatever about what they look like; but they feed me their example of how to have compassion for people who have sin problems and other problems. Our attention needs to be to God and appreciating how beautifully wonderful He is in love

jimmyjimmy said:

God made them as He did. Did He not?

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Yes, and in places in the Bible God tells us that a woman is very beautiful > 1 Samuel 25 < Abigail was beautiful, but David found out very quickly how there was so much more to her, than her beauty; and the Bible says Job's later daughters were very beautiful > Job 42:15. And God "gives us richly all things to enjoy." (in 1 Timothy 6:17) But in order to enjoy something, we need to keep it in its proper place . . . to humble however God blesses us, and not to allow it to have power over us >

"I will not be brought under the power of any." (in 1 Corinthians 6:12)

"Do not lust after her beauty in your heart," (in Proverbs 6:25)

It is wise to not let your beauty be what gets you somewhere with a person, because if beauty decides things, it is very possible that you will become involved with someone who does not know how to love you. Because beauty discrimination deeply degrades people to love the pleasure they want to use a beautiful person to get. And so they can be interested in using the beautiful person, instead of learning together with each other how to love the way Jesus has us discovering in His yoke >

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

In my case, beauty eyeballing still can get my attention away from really and attentively loving people; so yes I need much more correction about this, too.

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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He is God of gods, Lord of lords, and shows no partiality

All fall short

All are born sinners

All need Jesus as their Saviour

So yes, all men (and women) are created equal

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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1 Peter chapter 1 verse 18
For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors,


Everyone gets their way of life from their family, it's only when your born of God you have anything any good.


1 John chapter 4 verse 7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.


So your only born of God through love, and your born of your forefathers through sex.


1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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Well "created equal" is referring to equal constitutional rights for all people. It doesn't mean that everyone's rights are the same exact rights, but the Constitution is there to ensure everyone's basic rights and freedoms to function as citizens are provided and protected.

A biblical standpoint is that we are all His creation, and us being created in His image, out of God came man, man came woman, us to have dominion, but sin came about, so in terms of sin, we are all equal, and all save by God's grace, and we all can equally gain the right to be called the children of God once we accept Jesus as our savior.

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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"Created equal" is a term used to establish constitutional rights by governments. It's a "best case" term for a given group of persons. It's not a real world term:

For instance I was created by God and have 4 genetic disabilities I was created with. And I can't do things that a non-disabled person can do. We are certainly not equal and the USA recognizes that I am disabled and that I am not equal to a non-disabled person. Therefore they don't hold me to the same standards as a non-disabled person.

For instance, a disabled person might not be required to work. But a non-disabled person is required to work and pay taxes.

I guess you could be created without arms and legs, then looking at two people, one with arms and legs, and the other without, using your analytical mind, how would you find them equal?

I'm not even sure it's a theological term, since we are all judged equal to our inequalities, rather than judged as equals.

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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We are only equal in the worth of our creator eyes, that being God. No man's life is worth more than another to God. Outside of that we are unequal in just about every way, because every man is unique.

All are made in the image of God, and all humans are of a sacred worth, but equality certainly is a myth and is almost an idol to some.

ALL people have distinct in their interests, intellect, work ethic, hobbies, personality, etc. The same inequality exists in groups as well.

Some factors, such as intelligence, physicality, and some matters of personality, are also proposed to be inherited through genetics and not simply the environment, so even the idea that we are "born equal" seems to be pretty false.

4x4toy said:

Will there be a least to the greatest in Heaven ? Yes . And why couldn't Jesus grant the mother of Zebedee's sons request of seating her sons to his right and left in his kingdom ? But there will be a long line ahead of me for sure and I will rejoice for and with them ..

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Even though Jesus answered her as he did. I am pretty sure she was asking that they sit on his right hand and left in her idea of some kind of earthly physical kingdom on earth. Something that is not going to happen.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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Here is what Lincoln said about it in the face of the Democrat parties rejection of it.

At the seventh and last debate in Alton, Mr. Lincoln quoted from a speech he had made in Springfield on June 26, 1857: "Allow me while upon this subject briefly to present one other extract from a speech of mine, more than a year ago, at Springfield, in discussing this very same question, soon after Judge Douglas took his ground that negroes were not included in the Declaration of Independence:

I think the authors of that notable instrument intended to include all men, but they did not mean to declare all men equal in all respects. They did not mean to say all men were equal in color, size, intellect, moral development or social capacity. They defined with tolerable distinctness in what they did consider all men created equal — equal in certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This they said, and this they meant. They did not mean to assert the obvious untruth, that all were then actually enjoying that equality, nor yet, that they were about to confer it immediately upon them. In fact they had no power to confer such a boon. They meant simply to declare the right so that the enforcement of it might follow as fast as circumstances should permit.

They mean to set up a standard maxim for free society which should be familiar to all: constantly looked to, constantly labored for, and even though never perfectly attained, constantly approximated and thereby constantly spreading and deepening its influence and augmenting the happiness and value of life to all people, of all colors, everywhere.

jimmyjimmy said:

What does it mean to be "created equal", and what doesn't that mean?

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Is this a question about the meaning of the words from the Declaration of Independence? What the authors intended?