Is Speaking In Tongues Biblical Today?

Amazing Horse · Aug 23, 2017

Tsquared said:
Jesus Said:
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

To me, personally, that doesn't sound like these things have ceased, but that they are to be active in the church But I don't wish to argue, only to leave my point of view. God bless.

These things were for apostoles , to be apostole you had to witness crucifixion of Christ and be called by him .

Paul the same guy who would raise Eutychus who died Acts 20:7-12 could not help another guy later in his life with stomach problems 1 Timothy 5:23 , because of 1 Corinthians 1:22 . First apostoles were going to Jews only Matthew 10:5-6 but then since Jews reject him as Messiah he told them to go to gentiles insteed Romans 11:11 .

Gentiles don't need sign like Jews who require them , so signs just stopped to exist .

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Men falling in combat really does not equate to slain in the spirit. Combat falling can come in many different ways due to the wound, the location, the type of wound and so forth but none of them are from seeing deity.

I am saying that the examples in the Bible show men falling forward as in worship when they are in the presence of deity.

The gang who arrested Jesus were all enemies and when He spoke the word they fell backwards because they were all lost men.

I think if I were to fall out, I would prefer falling on my back. If I fell on my face I might bust a tooth, lol.

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

pescador said:
And when someone is lightly touched, then what? I have never seen anyone slain in the Spirit who was pushed.

Really?

Why would anyone need to be lightly or heavily touched?

I suggest that you watch more religious TV.

There was as preacher in Orlando Fl. who had to relocate to Dallas Tx. who mad millions of dollars by knocking people down. He went to "blowing" the Holy Spirit on them when some of the ones he knocked down actually got hurt in the fall.

It is easy to find on You Tube my friend.

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

Amazing Horse said:
These things were for apostoles , to be apostole you had to witness crucifixion of Christ and be called by him .

Paul the same guy who would raise Eutychus who died Acts 20:7-12 could not help another guy later in his life with stomach problems 1 Timothy 5:23 , because of 1 Corinthians 1:22 . First apostoles were going to Jews only Matthew 10:5-6 but then since Jews reject him as Messiah he told them to go to gentiles insteed Romans 11:11 .

Gentiles don't need sign like Jews who require them , so they just stopped to exist .

Absolutely agree! You got it!

That is "Cessationism".

Hidden In Him · Aug 23, 2017

For good measure, let none of us have this happen to us:

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

Hidden In Him said:
For good measure, let none of us have this happen to us:

Amen...lol

PropheticTimes · Aug 23, 2017

God healed my mom's foot a couple weeks ago through my hands. No fanfare. No audience. Just me, her and Jesus. He is alive and well and still heals today.

Waggles · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
There are two common misconceptions people have about speaking in tongues:

Hello, Major. I see that you have come across from another Christian chat site to join up and
antagonise people on this one.

I am not going to waste time arguing with those who are closed minded and deny the scriptures.
Simply if you are not Pentecostal and you cannot pray in the Spirit, and thereby have no knowledge
nor understanding of the experience and truth of Pentecost; then:
you are writing about things you know nothing about. You are an empty vessel making noise.

Not only in The Revival Fellowship do ALL the congregation speak (or rather pray) in tongues as
Jesus and the scriptures promised, but we also operate the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit at our
formal worship meetings: diversities of tongues, interpretation and prophesy.

I'm afraid, Major, that Mark 16:15-20 is still alive and fully operational today.
The book of Acts is still happening in today's world.
Acts 2:38-39 is still preached and validated.

Despite your best efforts at preaching against the gospel true worshippers are being born new again
by water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.

nonaeroterraqueous · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
When it was completed there was then no need for tongues or knowledge or prophecies IMO.

The Bible does nothing to satisfy the need for most of those things. Speaking in tongues is not a problem of doctrinal soundness. It's a problem of crossing language barriers at pivotal times. Word of knowledge is not satisfied by the Bible, which won't tell you that Suzy in the back row desperately needs prayer and is too shy to ask. Not all prophecy relates to doctrine. Its purpose is to call people back to the faith, back to righteousness, but it acts as a direct message from God to specific people, for those who have not grasped and honored the more general message of scripture.

Major1 said:
The Boob, the Bible was finished and canonized in 330 ad.

I don't mean to insult your mammalian heritage, but you might want to fix that.

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

nonaeroterraqueous said:
The Bible does nothing to satisfy the need for most of those things. Speaking in tongues is not a problem of doctrinal soundness. It's a problem of crossing language barriers at pivotal times. Word of knowledge is not satisfied by the Bible, which won't tell you that Suzy in the back row desperately needs prayer and is too shy to ask. Not all prophecy relates to doctrine. Its purpose is to call people back to the faith, back to righteousness, but it acts as a direct message from God to specific people, for those who have not grasped and honored the more general message of scripture.

I don't mean to insult your mammalian heritage, but you might want to fix that.

The speaking in tongues we see today is not "Languages/dialect". It is non- understandable gibberish.

If you read carefully the Acts you will see that "tongues' were HEARD not spoken.

In Acts 2:4 Luke uses a different adjective when he says, “they began to speak with other tongues.” The word “other” (Gr. heteros) simply means that they spoke in languages different from the normal language they were used to. The context substantiates this.

Notice the surprised reaction on the part of the hearers—“And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?” (Acts 2:7,8). Every man heard them speak in his own language (Acts 2:6).

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

PropheticTimes said:
God healed my mom's foot a couple weeks ago through my hands. No fanfare. No audience. Just me, her and Jesus. He is alive and well and still heals today.

I agree with that. Been there and done that!

BNR32FAN · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
There are two common misconceptions people have about speaking in tongues:

1) Speaking in tongues in the Bible is speaking in the language of angels or some other language that no people on earth normally know, and .....
2) The same gift of speaking in tongues we read of in the Bible continues today.

The Bible reveals that both of these ideas are in false.

The Bible actually says that "speaking in tongues" has ceased.

In 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, Paul, in emphasizing the eternality of love points out that the gift of receiving prophecy from God, the gift of speaking in tongues, and the gift of receiving knowledge from God will end.

He says this will happen when that which is perfect is come. The Greek word translated "perfect" here is teleios. It means "complete." Something has reached its perfection when it is complete.

IMO the only thing that meets that explination is the Word of God and what Paul is referring to is the canonization of Scripture. Once God put all of the knowledge He wanted the church to have into the church through the gifts of knowledge, tongues, and prophecy—and all of this was recorded in Scripture—then He stopped giving those gifts. Tongues were only for the period of transition from the Old to the New Covenant, they were a witness against unbelievers, and were the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies foretelling the divine judgment against the Jews as He turned from them to the Gentiles.

Tongues, as well as the gifts of knowledge and prophecy, and physical healing have ceased.

It is my understanding that speaking in tongue was not speaking gibberish. It was speaking in foreign languages. The apostles were given this gift so that they could spread the good news in many areas that spoke different languages.

Major1 · Aug 23, 2017

BNR32FAN said:
It is my understanding that speaking in tongue was not speaking gibberish. It was speaking in foreign languages. The apostles were given this gift so that they could spread the good news in many areas that spoke different languages.

Correct!

THE APOSTLES were given the "sign gifts".

Mark 16:14-18..........
"Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Three qualifications were specific to the unique character of the office of apostle.

They were eyewitnesses of Jesus' resurrection, having seen the risen Lord.
They were called directly by Christ, personally, to that office
They were directly and personally trained for their labor and office by the Lord Himself.

These qualifications mean that NO ONE today can be an apostle so then the sign gifts can not be done!

rockytopva · Aug 23, 2017

My question is, "Are they filled with the Holy Ghost?" I would venture to say there are many speaking in tongues who are doing it out of the flesh instead of the Spirit. I believe being Spirit filled is a seven step process...

1. The Outer Court - Justification - Faith to enter in.
2. The Altar - Salvation by acknowledging and believing on Jesus
3. The Laver - The clean effects of sanctification.
4. Table of Showbread – Partaking of the Word of God.
5. Light at the Lightstand - Faith, hope, charity, joy, grace, spiritual fruit, etc.
6. The Golden Incense Altar - Prayer and Praise meetings.
7. The Holy of Holies - The Shekinah Glory and Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to speak with him, then he heard the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that was upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he spake unto him. - Numbers 7:89

It was in the Holy of Holies that God spoke to Moses. It is also the place where you can hear from him too. This is Pentecostal doctrine whose architect, William Seymour, issued this disclaimer...

William Seymour warned that, “Whenever the doctrine of the baptism in the Holy Ghost will only be known as the evidence of speaking in tongues, that work will be an open door for witches and spiritualist and free loveism. That work will suffer because all kinds of spirits can come in.”

And a short little video...

salt-n-light · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Now ladies, do not get mad at me, I did not write 1 Corinthians. However, if the women were stopped from speaking in tongues today as Paul has said, there actually would not be any tongues spoken in church at all today.

Lol you're so wrong for that! There are men who have that "gift". I have yet to see it being properly used though. I still can't say that it had ceased though.

Alithis · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
There are two common misconceptions people have about speaking in tongues:

1) Speaking in tongues in the Bible is speaking in the language of angels or some other language that no people on earth normally know, and .....
2) The same gift of speaking in tongues we read of in the Bible continues today.

The Bible reveals that both of these ideas are in false.

The Bible actually says that "speaking in tongues" has ceased.

In 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, Paul, in emphasizing the eternality of love points out that the gift of receiving prophecy from God, the gift of speaking in tongues, and the gift of receiving knowledge from God will end.

He says this will happen when that which is perfect is come. The Greek word translated "perfect" here is teleios. It means "complete." Something has reached its perfection when it is complete.

IMO the only thing that meets that explination is the Word of God and what Paul is referring to is the canonization of Scripture. Once God put all of the knowledge He wanted the church to have into the church through the gifts of knowledge, tongues, and prophecy—and all of this was recorded in Scripture—then He stopped giving those gifts. Tongues were only for the period of transition from the Old to the New Covenant, they were a witness against unbelievers, and were the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies foretelling the divine judgment against the Jews as He turned from them to the Gentiles.

Tongues, as well as the gifts of knowledge and prophecy, and physical healing have ceased.

This is utterly incorrect.
The only correct part is where you say “imo”
In your opinion.
But your opinion is wrong.

The bible says nothing of What your trying to get it to say.

Cessationist always have wrangle and warp and twist scriptures to get it to force it their ”preferred” mind set.

dqhall · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Actually I have been here for some time now. I think maybe you are the one who is coming here now.

However, you know what amazes me? Instead of speaking to the question, instead of using the Bible and being theologically correct, you make personal comments to me.

Do YOU think that is the correct and Christian way to talk with people?????

If you do not agree with me then why not just simply say so???

If Mark 16 is alive and well then YOU should have no problem kissing a rattlesnake or drinking bleach my friend. If you have one of the sign gifts then you have all of them according the words of Jesus as found in Mark 16. It is a package set of gifts given to the eleven.

Mark 16:14..............
"Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen."

The only reason you speak in a strange gibberish is that you can actually do it. You will not drink poison and you will not kiss a rattlesnake because you know what will happen, so you do what you can do whether it is Biblical or not.

Now, why would you assume that I have no past experience in the Pentecostal Charismatic faith????

The truth my friend is that my experience in that cult has given me a lot of reasons to be forceful in challenging their actions.

I have been in Pentecostal services where there is part of the church service for people to use what they call their, "prayer languages." Usually it is gibberish as you described. It is not speaking any language, but like babies trying to imitate talk. I kept quiet during these times.

There are YouTube videos online about the Azusa Street revival in San Francisco in the early 1900's. One of them contains the testimony of a woman who started to speak in an actual foreign language that she had never studied before.

1stcenturylady · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
Agreed.

And when we read 1 Corth 14 and we get to verse #34, what do we see?????
"Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says."

Paul IS not saying that women can not speak in the church as we know in other places he has encouraged women to speak and pray. So what is he saying and WHY???????

Now the context of chapter 14 is all about "Speaking in Tongues". Who can do it, when to do it, and how to do it and in the end, Paul says that women are "NOT TO SPEAK IN TONGUES AT ALL".

Now ladies, do not get mad at me, I did not write 1 Corinthians. However, if the women were stopped from speaking in tongues today as Paul has said, there actually would not be any tongues spoken in church at all today.

What about prophesying? Can women prophesy in church? Prophecy is also a subject in chapter 14. If not in church where could women prophesy for the profit of all?

Alithis · Aug 23, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
What about prophesying? Can women prophesy in church? Prophecy is also a subject in chapter 14.

The asker of the question is
Teaching opinions.
Tongues have not ceased.

Also Paul writes to Corinth in reply to a letter sent to him .without that letter we don't know his context.
Also Paul is writing advice ..not imposing a new law book.
Also.. If he were imposing an unbreakable law...why does neither he nor James nor Peter mention it to Any other assembly?
Because they obviously had a local issue going on which they wrote to him about.

People need to stop reading the letters as if they are a new law book.

corinth77777 · Aug 23, 2017

Major1 said:
There are two common misconceptions people have about speaking in tongues:

1) Speaking in tongues in the Bible is speaking in the language of angels or some other language that no people on earth normally know, and .....
2) The same gift of speaking in tongues we read of in the Bible continues today.

The Bible reveals that both of these ideas are in false.

The Bible actually says that "speaking in tongues" has ceased.

In 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, Paul, in emphasizing the eternality of love points out that the gift of receiving prophecy from God, the gift of speaking in tongues, and the gift of receiving knowledge from God will end.

He says this will happen when that which is perfect is come. The Greek word translated "perfect" here is teleios. It means "complete." Something has reached its perfection when it is complete.

IMO the only thing that meets that explination is the Word of God and what Paul is referring to is the canonization of Scripture. Once God put all of the knowledge He wanted the church to have into the church through the gifts of knowledge, tongues, and prophecy—and all of this was recorded in Scripture—then He stopped giving those gifts. Tongues were only for the period of transition from the Old to the New Covenant, they were a witness against unbelievers, and were the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies foretelling the divine judgment against the Jews as He turned from them to the Gentiles.

Tongues, as well as the gifts of knowledge and prophecy, and physical healing have ceased.

Then if someone speaks in tongues....What is it?
If someone heals what is it?
Etc?

People don't agree what the "perfect" is

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