A day of mourning for all believers in GOD?

According to Ezekiel 40 another temple is on the way and the Ezekiel 38-39 prophecy clears the way for it! I also believe that the time of the gentiles is coming to a close (with all the hits and misses, forgive us!) and that God the Father will once more look favorably unto Israel... God bless!

An interesting study for all who claim to love Jewry.

agapebondservant said:

An interesting study for all who claim to love Jewry.

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A disconnected twisted point missed by the convoluted author squeezing his theology to maintain his position. It doesn't work here. We know better.

Lulav said:

The 9th of Av, this year the 1st of August (starts evening of July 31st) marks the 1,947
year since the Last Temple was destroyed.

1313 BCE the spies send from every tribe to spy out the land G-d was giving them returned with the bad report. This lead to a punishment lasting 39 years (together with the year they had spent already) of wandering in the desert until all who rebelled had passed away.

The first Temple was burned on this same day in 423 BCE by Nebuchadnezzar's army, the Babylonians and the people were carried away.

70 CE The Temple in Jerusalem, 'Herod's Temple' was utterly destroyed by the Romans, under Titus.

135 CE there was a revolt that was called the Bar Kochba Revolt that ended on this day.
(Bar Kochba was thought to have been the promised Messiah.)

Things have never been good for Jews on this day, we remember the expulsion of the Jews who lived in England in 1290 and in 1492, the day before all Jews were ordered out of Spain (it is believed by some that Columbus was Jewish and took with him many Jews to the New World. He could return but they could not).

The first WW that culminated with the second WW which ended the lives of millions of Jews started on the 9th of Av


So as a believer in G-d do you think you should fast and mourn on this day?

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That day does not hold the same significance to everyone, to some it is just another day ending with “y”. I will be morning and fasting but I do not expect all those that believe in G-d to do so.

Lulav said:

No, probably not but that was the question. If you claim to love G-d shouldn't you also recognize the heathen attacks on this day against His people?

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Was this to me Lulav?

visionary said:

A disconnected twisted point missed by the convoluted author squeezing his theology to maintain his position. It doesn't work here. We know better.

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I am interested to hear the position you hold ... we all are a work in progress and I do not view this forum as a faux contest but rather a place to share and receive information as none of us have a complete flawless view of the grand work The Father is outworking in this world. Relax, take a deep breath and indulge in calm dialogue.

God Bless

Lulav said:

So as a believer in G-d do you think you should fast and mourn on this day?

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due to meds I take I would be violating doctors' orders to fast. (not to mention the meds without food make me quite ill)

I remember, I mourn; but do not fast.

Why should believers mourn for the past and for things that we can no longer change rather than rejoice in the present for what the Almighty has given us now and rejoice in what the Almighty has promised us in the future? Yes, we lost the temples of the past, but now we have a High Priest that ministers in a greater more perfect tabernacle made without hands in heaven. It was because of sin that many bad things happened on the 9th of Av including the destruction of those temples, but now, YHWH has seen fit to make each individual believer a temple for His Holy Spirit. He has seen fit to fashion all believers into a corporate temple in which He dwells. A time will come when New Jerusalem will come down without a temple because YHWH and Yeshua will be the temple of it.

YHWH has given us Yom Kippurim to fast and mourn for our sins each year. Believers do not need to mourn for our sins committed years ago. We have been forgiven. Nor do we need to mourn for the consequences of our sins, especially in regards to physical things such as the Temples.

As Paul said in Philippians 3:13-14, "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of Elohim in Messiah Yeshua."

Similarly, Hebrews 12:1-2 says, "Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, looking unto Yeshua the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of Elohim.

Lulav said:

Funny, I just heard a Messianic minister quoting from Napoleon when he observed the Jews in mourning.

From JP
There is a famous story told about Napoleon Bonaparte, ruler of France, who walked the streets of a city on Tisha Be’av and passed by a synagogue.

He noticed the atmosphere of yearning there, the congregation sitting on the floor and crying. When he asked about the reason for this unusual behavior, he was told by the congregation, “We are crying over our Temple which was destroyed.”

“And when was this Temple destroyed?” Napoleon asked.

“Almost 2,000 years ago,” the congregation responded.

When Napoleon heard this answer, he responded with wonder and said, “A nation that can mourn for a Temple that was destroyed 2,000 years ago, is a nation that will merit building it anew.”

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According to Ezekiel 40 they will build anew, bigger and better! I just wonder if the Ezekiel 38-47 prophecies will happen in our lifetime?

rockytopva said:

According to Ezekiel 40 they will build anew, bigger and better! I just wonder if the Ezekiel 38-47 prophecies will happen in our lifetime?

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For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Matthew 5:18

Every word in the Ezekiel prophecies must come to pass.

Lulav said:

When Napoleon heard this answer, he responded with wonder and said, “A nation that can mourn for a Temple that was destroyed 2,000 years ago, is a nation that will merit building it anew.”

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Napoleon was without spiritual discernment. The Almighty will have Ezekiel's temple built because it is His will, not because the nation merits it. In fact, the Levites will not be permitted to serve as priests in Ezekiel's temple because they caused Israel to commit sins and various abominations. Only those of the sons of Zadok will serve as priests.

Lulav said:

So as a believer in G-d do you think you should fast and mourn on this day?

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Depends how much you believe the traditions.
Also, would we mourn for the loss, or for the sins that caused the judgments?