why i advocate for cannabis as a christian..

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 17, 2017

Kenny'sID said:
but the bible still condemns it.

show me ONE place where it is condemned... ONE.
(always be prepared to give an answer for the hope you have)
oops.. you cant.. oops you are not advocating hope.... oops you are not advocating love... lets break down the days of noah.. is it the flood that he is talking about nope!!! "Genesis 6:5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time." and all of these things were learned from the fallen angels. aka the nephilim who had tainted the blood line of jesus because they took them selves wives and made giants men of men of old men of renowned.. in such a way that he would have not been fully human... the world HAD to be destroyed for salvation and a holy and pure sacrifice..... when he comes back and is let loose he will do the same things again..

Cannabis and Cannabinoids

our own government has the studies on this.. read it for yourself and think which is evil?... stand for this or against it? to say that this good thing is evil??? while you have not found ONE single thing in the bible that speaks against cannabis... not a single one.. interesting.. and reflective.. i thought with my last two posts you would have been convicted in your lack of love and the truth i put behind it..... but that does not seem to be the case either.. you are replacing love for the fear of what you THINK is evil.... so indeed your fear has actually played right into the hands of the great deceiver... because of what? fear..... reflect on this. because of fear... you choose evil over logical not even hard to understand good... you honestly just did this.. i charge you with this.. ive given you everything that is good about it... you didnt hear my words... but instead you make lies so that you can further you own agenda.. what lie was that... ill say it again.. and i quote you.. "but the bible still condemns it" that sir is a lie and you know it.. ive been studying the bible reverently for over 12 years... im not coming at you in ignorance... i am very well prepared for this argument...

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 17, 2017

that link that says "cannabis and cannabinoids"... that comes from the national health institute... read it.

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 17, 2017

in particular question number 6

Kenny'sID · Jul 17, 2017

alhaynes86 said:
so lets break it down by the numbers... "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient" what is the definition of expedient...

That is no defense at all, drugs are a no no, and I showed you why in a long post you all but ignored, (and you say *I've* made up *my* mind not to listen?)

Murder and theft aren't "lawful" in your scripture there, yet you completely discount the fact pot is not lawful, and treat it like water or something.

The end time system is trying to make it look like a fix all for everything in order to get it legal so they can tax it and keep everyone high/happy happy, when the fact is, we can all become drunks to do that, but what would that say about us as a people...that we can't handle life?

Pot is not mentioned specifically in the bible but alcohol is, as is being a drunkard, or staying high all the time.

We were put here so God could see how we deal with life, but as example, one could stay buzzed on say ecstasy and love everyone as God commands, but only because we are on drugs, and not in our natural state, mucking up all he is trying to do/defeating his purpose in seeing what our true character is so he can decide if we deserve heaven or not.

You say "only for medicinal purposes", but, as I mentioned, we all know, if we are realistic, the medicinal thing is to get it legalized for recreation, and of that I have no doubt at all...many people can see that is a fact. As has been proven time and time again, they will prescribe it for just about anything, it's a complete joke. Read between the lines on that.

But if someone can't handle life or simply want to make it easier, the main reason most get deep into drugs, so be it, that's something we as individuals will have to answer to God for, all in good time.

I remember telling myself I have all these disadvantages due to a bout with Polio as a child, so I should be able to grow it to make money "God understands"

and smoke it for my well being. I never really believed my justifications but grew a ton of it just the same, in order to try to take care of myself both financially and to meet my "medical need"...what a joke.

Even went so far as to tell myself everyone else was stupid for not buzzing through life feeling much better than they could, I was in that much denial. When we want to do something bad enough we come up with some of the most bizarre justifications. Point being, I had reason for being depressed...but, that's part of the life I was given...we all have our problems.

By the grace of God I would never go into complete denial. I always told myself once I started convincing myself my reasons for were all definitely valid, there would be no hope for me to wake up because there would be nothing to wake up from because I would be doing nothing wrong in my mind.

I woke up.

Kenny'sID · Jul 17, 2017

You want me to answer your questions, so you need to answer mine on what I took out of context. It's an accusation you need to back up for the reasons I mentioned.

alhaynes86 said:
that link that says "cannabis and cannabinoids"... that comes from the national health institute... read it.

alhaynes86 said:
in particular question number 6

I'm not able to keep up with you there.

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 17, 2017

Kenny'sID said:
You want me to answer your questions, so you need to answer mine on what I took out of context. It's an accusation you need to back up for the reasons I mentioned.

I'm not able to keep up with you there.

understood but obviously you never opened the link... you click on question number six where it give you the answers to is this able to kill cancer cells.. and the answer is more than a yes.. its a medical breakthrough.. any who i dont want talk with you anymore.. you by your lack of care... the fact that you lie about the bible saying it is against it...i call you out on that and dare you to produce one thing about it... you dont give me anything from the bible.. you also didnt ask me any question.... if so not clear enough to be answered... or it was skipped over while i was still writing the rest of what needed to be said about why you are wrong to take this stance that you do and here was the biblical reasons why your stance is wrong..... i mean you lie about what you think is in the bible.. you disregard medical science.. you put words in my mouth.. you dont care about the bible or the words of god that affrm this is a good thing.. ... you are not reading anything and making up everything... i have no more reason to talk with you... you have ignored everything.. and put lies in your own place from your own mouth... so no.. i wont answer you anymore according to your folly because literally anything you can ask or say has already been answered in previous posts... there is nothing more you can say... ive already proved you to be liar so what more do you think that i want from a liar?

NothingIsImpossible · Jul 17, 2017

Thought I'd respond before the topic gets removed.... while these quotes weren't aimed at me I'd reply to them anyways...

alhaynes86 said:
our own government has the studies on this

So if the gov says its ok to do then its ok? In that case there are some govs that say its ok to rape and kill women. Some govs say its ok to throw LGBT off of a roof. Some govs say marriage to a child is ok to do. So care to rethink what you said?

alhaynes86 said:
While you have not found ONE single thing in the bible that speaks against cannabis

I also don't see anything in the bible that speaks against sex with a child. Technically speaking. I also see nothing that says I can't pay someone to murder someone else. After all "Thou shalt not kill", it doesn't say "Thou shalt not hire someone to kill someone else.". See the problem with your cherry picking.

alhaynes86 said:
so indeed your fear has actually played right into the hands of the great deceiver

Given the fact like 90% of christians are against weed, who do you think he been deceived, the 90% or the 10% that your part of?

For all your talk about truth and love you honestly have responses to people filled with such vile hatred for them and basically calling them all sorts of names and judgments. You will be judged on how you judge others. And lets skip weed and go directly to the point. Correction/reproof, which is what many are doing for you, you are ignoring. You didn't create this topic for help, but instead to find people to backup what you believe in.

I will leave you with these about your reactions:

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

Proverbs 15:32
Whoever ignores instruction despises himself, but he who listens to reproof gains intelligence

Proverbs 29:11
A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.

Proverbs 29:9
If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

Proverbs 9:7-9
Whoever corrects a scoffer gets himself abuse, and he who reproves a wicked man incurs injury. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning.

Titus 3:10-11
As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 18, 2017

awesome someone that wants to open this up with the bible im going to read in all you say here in full and explain in full all that ive said too there is a lot you are covering cause there has been a lot said.. so.. this might take me some time.... but i also want to say this before i come out if i read anything that is contrary to what i believe and the word of god puts me in my place i will adhear to it.. or apply other verse that do back me up here... and lets not forget the reasoning in this post is why i support it and i do so out of love for those that are sick/suffering/dying.. if we get outside of that its just going to get stupid as it did before... but okay im going to read now..

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 18, 2017

NothingIsImpossible said:
Thought I'd respond before the topic gets removed.... while these quotes weren't aimed at me I'd reply to them anyways...

So if the gov says its ok to do then its ok? In that case there are some govs that say its ok to rape and kill women. Some govs say its ok to throw LGBT off of a roof. Some govs say marriage to a child is ok to do. So care to rethink what you said?

.

no... that isnt what i was saying at all... i was referring to the law of the land (follow the law of the land) that is likely going to be changed over the next 20 years and is already changing as we speak...... just 10 years ago i knew that a movement was going to be happening in such a way that these things would happen.. and it wouldn't even be a law of the land issue... in fact its kinda ironic that we do have a synthetic based drug called "marinol" that is already prescribed to cancer patients so that they can eat during chemo (this does not kill cancer by itself and has been proven to be ineffective)... and that is the sad part of this is that it ONLY contains the synthesized compound of THC in its synthetic form the only cannabinoid that gets you high... so this is redundant... because there is over 80 cannabinoids that go all together that work in harmony with each other to activate and help improve the "endocannabinoid system" (this system regulates everything inside your body so that it works together and does not go "haywire" for lack of a better term) so they got it wrong by literally making a fake high that is chemically and structurally the same is thc.. skipping the rest of the good components... and the ones that actually cause you to be cured or healed... (as you can see im not chasing a high but a cure for the sick and dying this one thing alone should allow you to see my intentions and that it is based on the love of those who suffer.)

NothingIsImpossible said:
I also don't see anything in the bible that speaks against sex with a child. Technically speaking. I also see nothing that says I can't pay someone to murder someone else. After all "Thou shalt not kill", it doesn't say "Thou shalt not hire someone to kill someone else.". See the problem with your cherry picking..

again no because what you speak of is a heart issue... what you speak of is things having to do with a uncircumcised heart... (lack of love for each other and your god.) so no.. thats is spoken of quite a lot... just in different pretext...

NothingIsImpossible said:
Given the fact like 90% of christians are against weed, who do you think he been deceived, the 90% or the 10% that your part of?

no as it is said.. many will be deceived.. and they will turn away from a sound doctrine and gather around them a great number of teachers that tell them what their itching ears want to hear... and you can try and turn this around on me but my convictions are based in love for those that are sick, dying, and suffering.. so this is indeed in line with a sound doctrine... as for what i really think about the made up number of 90% and 10% is corrected in the poll that i made... i gave 3 options.. one of them saying yes legalize it... the other saying no.. and the 3rd saying only for medical... and if was to look at those number just from right here... 60% support it in either full on legalization or for medical purposes only... and only 40% out right say no... so you are wrong about those numbers.... also i think this has to do more with old wine skins and new wine skins... but im so tired of the division in the church where we are not unified.. this was also my on personal study of the church that i was doin on my own.. because there will come a day where this vote will be made in your town or city.. if it already has not been.... so far.. 60 has always outweighed the 40 according to my math...

and i love your verses on the books of wisdom.. (belive me ive been thinking on them and how ive got angry here... and ive taken a break slowed down and back off after i prayed about this..) moving on.. so far i have not seen anything that i advocate that goes against the word of god.... but i do want to say this... you take the book of titus out of context... do you not remember how the jews killed jesus? was they not divided? were some not saying he is not the son of god? were there not some saying that he was? by the way you use this... would you not say that jesus himself did not stir up division? its your understanding of division that is incorrect... the division would be something that is contrary to the teaching of christ.. what did he teach us to do? love and forgive... what did jesus himself say that he came to do??? "he said do not think that i have came to bring peace but a sword... a man's enemies will be the members of his own household" becareful how you use that verse if you do not fully understand what i am doing here.. and fully understand the meaning of that verse... it can be dangerous... everything iam advocating here is done in love for those that are sick dying and suffering.. the very people that jesus came to save... my convictions on the legalization of this plant for medical uses stands... and it stands in me with good conscious and in good faith with the word of god.. ive not been convicted by any thing anyone has said here... can you understand why? ask yourself that by the answers i have given you here.

Kenny'sID · Jul 18, 2017

alhaynes86 said:
show me ONE place where it is condemned... ONE.

I did, it's a drug.

You already forgot the post I made about sorcery, and how it is a sin? Did you not verify it as I asked you to do? Or do you not want to know?

I laid it all out for you step by step.

Dave-W · Jul 18, 2017

alhaynes86 said:
when god said that every green plant bearing seed will be for your food would everyone here agree that it was for nourishment?

Is this green Nightshade plant and its seeds "Food?" "Nourishment?"

Or maybe this green Poison Ivy and its seeds:

Kenny'sID · Jul 18, 2017

alhaynes86 said:
any who i dont want talk with you anymore.. you by your lack of care... the fact that you lie about the bible saying it is against it...i call you out on that and dare you to produce one thing about it... you dont give me anything from the bible..

Of course you don't want to talk to me anymore, I am showing you what you don't want to hear. You were clearly not sincere when you said you wanted to discuss both sides.

You say I lie about the bible while I posted proof of what the bible said, then you actually tell me I have not produced one thing about it when post 32, the one that starts with "You asked for it" was directly from the bible and explained step by step. So who is lying? not I.

After reading some of your posts that followed the OP I realized this guy is in complete denial, I mean some of your reasoning was way off. Then I thought this whole thing will be useless, he won't listen so why bother, but figured it might be good to plant the seed, and over time? who knows what might become of it. That has been done.

So since you are through talking to me because you decided you do not want to hear the truth, I'll leave it with you. It's between you and the almighty if you are in legit need of getting/staying stoned or whatever you do in order to deal with your issues.

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 18, 2017

maybe it has its uses.... its his words not mine.

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 18, 2017

israel is already using it as a medicine... Why Israel leads the US in medical cannabis research

SaintNick · Jul 19, 2017

alhaynes86 said:
"When you smoke pot and feel at ease and relaxed you're just settling in with your demons."
is that why paul told timothy to drink wine for his frequent illnesses??? so that he could settle in with his demon?

How does wine by any means relate to marijuana man?
Most people take drugs so they don't have to deal with reality and apply it as a sort of temporary bandaid. But with weed people keep smoking and smoking denying addiction until it becomes too difficult to quit. I used to be a big advocate for weed and user but I am strongly against it now.

After being born again and baptized I had to quit there was no other alternative.
This is the reality behind it. You're not of sober mind when high.

Kenny'sID · Jul 19, 2017

SaintNick said:
After being born again and baptized I had to quit there was no other alternative.

That's the way it was with me.

All reasoning for or against aside, sometimes the spirit just says no, and we listen or not, or maybe even take it to a discussion board with hopes everyone will agree the wrong thing we do is OK.

nChrist · Jul 19, 2017

Titus 2:11-15 KJV For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12. Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13. Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14. Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Let's all pray and ask God how high and how often He wants us to get high.

Shempster · Jul 19, 2017

What a spirited thread!

I'll start by saying I don't smoke marijuana. Next I'll mention that I have studied and used herbal plants for over 40 years...and I am barely 50.
So here is the skinny from my perspective:
On the plant itself....it is a green, aromatic plant. In fact, it is about the strongest smelling plant out there. This alone suggests it is useful for humans. It is not a drug because it is not concocted or produced by man. It is obviously a herb. And herbs are used for tea, spice and incense.
Scientifically, the compounds inside have molecules that are shaped exactly like the cannabanoid-like chemicals our bodies naturally produce. They are located all over the body. In the brain, but mostly in the gut and are tied to our immune systems.
Since legalization in many states, studies have shown that the compounds are welcomed into the body as friendly. The blood-brain barrier sees no issue with CBD and THC and all of the other chemicals unlike alcohol which the body sees as poison. It regulates the body systems and kills rogue cancer cells.

If used like a herb as nature intended, it produces these effects and also relieves many symptoms.
Unlike alcohol which causes one to do things they normally would not do in excess, marijuana causes one to be more perceptive of their words, thoughts and actions.
As far as using it as intended, I do not think smoking it is a smart idea. It is getting way too much of the herb into the system too quickly. Eating or drinking it as tea is how to use any herb. Look at it like hot pepper. A pinch on your spaghetti is great, but stuff it in a pipe and smoke it and you will have a much different experience. Actually the plant works best when eaten in small amounts. Very small, like a pinch.
Smoking produces many by products that may not be healthy to breathe into your lungs. However, the studies show that the valuable properties of the plant seem to negate the harmful effects.

As far as spiritually speaking, both Yeshua and Paul agree that nothing you put into your body defiles a person. It is what a person thinks in his heart that defiles him.

Kenny'sID · Jul 19, 2017

Shempster said:
On the plant itself....it is a green, aromatic plant. In fact, it is about the strongest smelling plant out there. This alone suggests it is useful for humans.

Why does a strong smell suggest any such thing?

Shempster said:
It is not a drug because it is not concocted or produced by man.

Sure it is...it's dried and smoked, that's concocted/produced. If not, how much more production is required for it to qualify as a drug? But even if it were just plucked and eaten, where is it written a drug is something that is concocted/produced by man?

Shempster said:
Scientifically, the compounds inside have molecules that are shaped exactly like the cannabanoid-like chemicals our bodies naturally produce.

So how bout dopamine, adrenaline? Should we take extra doses of that too, because it's what in the body already. Maybe an extra couple of gallons of blood if we have something like blood to add? That just not a reason. Or how bout dust? If we go back to dust/dirt, we must have it in us, why not eat it?

Shempster said:
If used like a herb as nature intended,

Did you have a talk with Mother Nature?

Seriously, how do you know how nature intended it to be used?

Shempster said:
It regulates the body systems and kills rogue cancer cells

A close friend of mine since high school was told by his doctor, the pot gave him the cancer of the tongue that killed him.

1gh2g3f4 · Jul 20, 2017

357magnum said:
Titus 2:11-15 KJV For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12. Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13. Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14. Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Let's all pray and ask God how high and how often He wants us to get high.

you do realize this entire post is about medicine and not chasing a high... in fact ill repeat myself just for you... everything in moderation.. tell me or ask yourself why paul told timothy to drink a little wine with dinner every night because of his frequent stomach illnesses??? 1 Timothy 5:23 we have to realize that if you are sick and your focus is on the pain... you can not possibly have your mind on god.. especially when it is chronic... a sober mind does not just mean being drunk... or in this case high.. the other side of this.. is you can take this plant and use it in such a way that does not get you high... there is quite a lot of people that take the plant raw and whole... (this is mostly cancer patients that agree with it this way.) its not to increase appetite in this way or to get a high.. (people who do this is mostly in remission) as you cant get high this way unless you cook it first.. so i ask you that "357magnum" does this sound like i advocate for this because i want people to get high? that answer would be an obvious no if you was to actually read what i say about this..

why i advocate for cannabis as a christian..

do you support cannabis?

yes

no

only for medical

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