the origin of ALLAH's name

habibii zahra · Jun 1, 2017

He is Risen 72 said:
I agree 100%. Denying the Son in any shape or form is most certainly anti-Christian and a sign of those that are of the Antichrist.

Allah is an Arabian moon god.

ALLAH Is not the arabian moon god...i wrote to you the origin of ALLAH’s name ...

How could a religion who believe in the Christ and believe in the message of the Christ be an antichrist??

He is Risen 72 · Jun 1, 2017

habibii zahra said:
ALLAH Is not the arabian moon god...i wrote to you the origin of ALLAH’s name ...

How could a religion who believe in the Christ and believe in the message of the Christ be an antichrist??

How could a religion that makes up 99.9% of terrorists, 99.9% of suicide bombers, produces 100% of the beheading videos, destroys ancient cities and monuments that were 1000s of years old, keeps their women as slaves, marries little children, mutilates little girls, and despises everything that is western or modern be anything other than antichrist?

Dave-W · Jun 1, 2017

Muslim-UK said:
You believe this to be the second coming of Jesus

No. His first coming 2000 years ago.

Dave-W · Jun 1, 2017

Muslim-UK said:
o based on this, we would say son of man = mortal human being. I would start by using passages 13 and 14 to make my case. You say, God was presented before God and given something he did not have, dominion and authority over a Earthly Kingdom. God had to be given it? More like the Messiah is given authority to rule for a certain period of time.

No - the authority was given to Him forever. No mere mortal lives forever. Yes Jesus died but was raised up 3 days later. SO He STILL is alive.

Dave-W · Jun 1, 2017

Muslim-UK said:
So the verses you posted about Daniel 7 are talking about events that happened 2,000 years ago?

Yes, and continue to this day.

Muslim-UK said:
So 2,000 years ago Jesus pbuh established and his Kingdom on Earth? You say no mere mortal lives forever, but can they be alive yet out of sight? Please explain because we know death is not the end, so every soul that has passed over is still alive, but I'm guessing that's not what you mean?

Yes - He inaugurated the New Covenant (See Jeremiah 31) by His shed blood. Then He bodily rose from the grave and ascended to take His seat at the Right hand of the Father in heaven. Bodily. He has been guiding the building of His kingdom ever since and will continue to do so until His return.

According to Zechariah 14 He will step down on the Mount of Olives just east of Jerusalem (where Muslims put a grave yard to keep HIM out) and the hill will split. He will enter the Holy City thru the Eastern Gate (unsealing it in the process) and resurrecting all the dead.

Yes - every soul of those who have died will stand before HIM as Judge. Those who have not submitted to Jesus as Lord and God will be thrown into the lake of fire forever. THose who have accepted HIS yoke as Lord and Master under the New Covenant will live with HIM forever.

habibii zahra · Jun 1, 2017

Dave-W said:
That all may be true, but the God of Islam and the God of Christianity are NOT the same entity.

there is no god but one for all people but with different name...god of muslims is the god of jesus and the god of Christians is the father of jesus..where is the difference

habibii zahra · Jun 1, 2017

mark kennedy said:
I wanted to read the Koran so I tracked down an online English translation. In the introduction there was some background information, including something about Allah and Elohim. Apparently this Professor, who specialized in Semitic languages, was convinced the at one time Allay and Elohim were the same word and probably pronounced more like Allay then Elohim. Thought nothing of it at the time but later got into a word search for Elohim and really means God Almighty. The single plural form is in original creation which some Trinitarians think implies a plurality of persons but it's actually the plurality of Magesty , or power. Just from the way it's used and how Muslims emphasis the Allah is almighty, the word is obviously intended to convey the same idea.

there is no god but one how can god be three parts? can you explain

habibii zahra · Jun 1, 2017

He is Risen 72 said:
How could a religion that makes up 99.9% of terrorists, 99.9% of suicide bombers, produces 100% of the beheading videos, destroys ancient cities and monuments that were 1000s of years old, keeps their women as slaves, marries little children, mutilates little girls, and despises everything that is western or modern be anything other than antichrist?

those terrorists have nothing to do with islam...second, you are accusing islam with false deeds

Dave-W · Jun 1, 2017

habibii zahra said:
god of muslims is the god of jesus a

Wrong. I have showed from the epistle of First John how the "god" of Islam is actually the demon of antichrist.

Robban · Jun 1, 2017

habibii zahra said:
there is no god but one for all people but with different name...god of muslims is the god of jesus and the god of Christians is the father of jesus..where is the difference

Would it disturb your selfimage to call yourself Christian?
Or,
Would a Christian call themself Muslim?

Surely if it is the same god, it would not make any difference whatsoever, or what?

Do you get it?
Coz I don,t.

habibii zahra · Jun 2, 2017

Dave-W said:
Wrong. I have showed from the epistle of First John how the "god" of Islam is actually the demon of antichrist.

the god of islam is the god of jesus and moses and Abraham ..the demon and the antichrists are those who changed the doctrine of Christianity and turned it into god in three parts and so on...our god calls us to believe in Christianity and Judaism is that a demon's call or god's call??
jesus invited you to believe in his father as god ..and the islam calls for the same believe does that makes Islamic teaching the demon's of course not...

habibii zahra · Jun 2, 2017

Dave-W said:
Wrong. I have showed from the epistle of First John how the "god" of Islam is actually the demon of antichrist.

this is the god of muslims Christians and jews
the Quran:
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve
this is god the god of the whole universe our god of islam the god of jews and the god of Christians this is our god..the demon is the enemy of our god and antichrist is the enemy of our god and our imam Mahdi (mashiash) in Hebrew he will reappear along with the true Christ who will fill the word with justice same as how it was filled with injustice

ViaCrucis · Jun 3, 2017

Dave-W said:
1 John 2:22b This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

One of the major tenets of Islam (and it is emblazoned on the door of the Shrine of the Rock on the Temple mount) is "God has no son."

Denying the Son puts it clearly into antichrist.

I recently was engaged in a debate with someone who used this same passage to say Jews were antichrists.

Both this other person's usage and your usage here demonstrate a failure to take the context and intent of the author of the epistle into account. The "antichrists" John speaks about are mentioned explicitly as "they came out from among us, but were not of us", the "antichrists" identified themselves as Christians, and their teachings are hinted at in the text, "whoever denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh", that's Docetism; "denies Jesus is the Christ", that's probably Cerinthianism.

The text is not charging every non-Christian on the planet of being an antichrist, it is specifically condemning certain Christian heretics.

Jews are not antichrists.
Muslims are not antichrists.
That is not the meaning or intent of the epistle.

-CryptoLutheran

habibii zahra · Jun 6, 2017

Dave-W said:
Wrong. I have showed from the epistle of First John how the "god" of Islam is actually the demon of antichrist.

Do Christians, Muslims and Jews Worship the Same God?
there is 3 monotheistic religion..all of them worship the same god..Christian the father jews YHWH and muslims ALLAH...different names but one god..
the monotheistic religion is that whose doctrine is to worship one god...
the enemy of god is the antichrist..the antichrist is the one who refuse to believe in god the lord of moses jesus and Mohammad...who refuse to believe in jesus Christ..yet god of muslims pushes us to believe in the Christ to love him and to obey him..thus these are the description of a true god not to antichrist

Lotuspetal_uk · Jun 6, 2017

Is the Arabic version of YHVH (substituted as Adonai in parts of the Bible) mentioned in the Qu'ran?

As in you have Musa for Moses/Moshe, Ibrahim for Abraham, Isa for Jesus (curiously not Yasu), Maryam for Mary, do you have the Arabic rendering for God/Adonai in the Qu'ran?

Cheers

Lotuspetal_uk · Jun 7, 2017

Muslim-UK said:
No Jewish Scholar knows the name of God. The name was considered too Holy to utter for thousands of years. Today we know it's made up from the Tetragrammaton Yod-Hei-Vav-Hei (YHVH).

This has been replaced in the Jewish Torah with Yahweh, Eloh and Adonai, which means 'Lord' according to the Jewish Encyclopedia:

Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, Yhwh (

), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel. This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form "Jehovah," which, however, is a philological impossibility (see Jehovah). This form has arisen through attempting to pronounce the consonants of the name with the vowels of Adonai (

= "Lord"), which the Masorites have inserted in the text, indicating thereby that Adonai was to be read (as a "ḳeri perpetuum") instead of Yhwh. When the name Adonai itself precedes, to avoid repetition of this name, Yhwh is written by the Masorites with the vowels of Elohim, in which case Elohim is read instead of Yhwh. In consequence of this Masoretic reading the authorized and revised English versions (though not the American edition of the revised version) render Yhwh by the word "Lord" in the great majority of cases.

NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com

The very first chapter of the Qur'an, in the second verse we read:

Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe. If you go to Quran Search; Submission (Islam) Just type Lord and many verses will come up.

One of the 99 names given to Allah swt is
AL-MUNTAQIM The Lord of Retribution, The Avenger

99 Names of Allah (God) - IslamiCity
Hope this helps

Soz but actually it hasn't helped at all. With all due respect I only wanted you to answer whether YHVH is mentioned specifically in the Qu'ran. Not equivalents of El or God but His Name.

Please would you be kind enough to specifically address what I raised in my post. Could you quote the surah's where God has used His Name so that I can look it up. Is it in the form of an acronym similar to the Torah, for example because it is so Holy?

I am very familiar with what the Bible says about His Name but what does the Qu'ran say?

I don't have as much time online so a concise reply would be much appreciated which is directly linked to the Qu'ran.

Many thanks again for your time and help

FireDragon76 · Jun 7, 2017

Dave-W said:
1 John 2:22b This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

One of the major tenets of Islam (and it is emblazoned on the door of the Shrine of the Rock on the Temple mount) is "God has no son."

Denying the Son puts it clearly into antichrist.

Jews also deny the sonship of Christ... but most people don't understand that as meaning that Jews worship a different god.

Trinitarianism does not deny the oneness of God. If a Muslim is committed to their absolute monotheism, that does not preclude religious dialogue and mutual understanding of God together.

ViaCrucis · Jun 7, 2017

Lotuspetal_uk said:
Is the Arabic version of YHVH (substituted as Adonai in parts of the Bible) mentioned in the Qu'ran?

As in you have Musa for Moses/Moshe, Ibrahim for Abraham, Isa for Jesus (curiously not Yasu), Maryam for Mary, do you have the Arabic rendering for God/Adonai in the Qu'ran?

Cheers

Both Jews and Christians in Arabia would have had Scriptures which were in languages other than Hebrew, as such we would have the equivalent of "Lord". The Syriac (Aramaic) Christians would have said ܡܪܝܐ or "marya" meaning "Lord", Arabic speaking Christians and Jews possibly used "rabb" which is also used in the Qu'ran.

There's no reason for the Qur'an to include the Tetragrammaton, the Tetragrammaton historically has almost never been used outside of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament with occasional transliteration into Aramaic or Greek (but even the LXX generally preferred kurios than any attempt at transliteration or approximate voicing).

-CryptoLutheran

habibii zahra · Jun 7, 2017

Lotuspetal_uk said:
Is the Arabic version of YHVH (substituted as Adonai in parts of the Bible) mentioned in the Qu'ran?

As in you have Musa for Moses/Moshe, Ibrahim for Abraham, Isa for Jesus (curiously not Yasu), Maryam for Mary, do you have the Arabic rendering for God/Adonai in the Qu'ran?

Cheers

ALLAH for god of the universe in the different language

gadar perets · Jun 7, 2017

habibii zahra,

Shouldn't this thread be called, "The Origin of the Title Allah"? The OP says "Allah" means "God", but "God" is not a name. The being who holds the title "God" has a name, YHWH. If "Allah" is really the God of the Jews and Christians, then His name is YHWH as well, but that is a big "If".

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