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Is Universalism evil? Am I no better as a Christian Universalist than I was as an Agnostic who barely believed anything?

I'm having one last informal discussion on this subject.

Someone posted a great blog on Universalism, with supporting Bible verses. Upon request, I will link the thread. (I hope they don't mind.)
If universality is correct then why did Jesus die? And what of the many verses that says, whosoever? Believieth in him shall not perish? Doesn't that say that there is a payment for those who believeth n those who doesn't. What about the word whosoever? Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved, again that word whosoever. Whosoever was not found written in the book of life... Again whosoever?
The bible says yes all the families of the earth shall be blessed(not saved) what does bless means to us? We are of Abrahams seed n therefore that makes us heir according to the promise's. There is no other way given among men whereby we must be saved.
 
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His argument in the thesis with scriptural citations and citations on Church tradition got me convinced.
The bible says we are all sinners and that the punishment for our sin is death. We were suppose to die, but Jesus died in our place so that we don't have to that. That same bible tells us that there is salvation in none other but Jesus. It also says not having our own righteousness which is of the flesh but, God's righteousness, which can only come about when we surrender our lives to him fully. When we realize that we were like slaves sold out but Jesus bought us with a prize, his shed blood on Calvary, so we can now say Lord I belong to you, you paid it all for me, had you not done that I would still be a slave, a slave to sin and my payment death n hell buy you Jesus has redeemed me. So we have a new owner n that person is Jesus, which we yes have to serve in love and with all because of what he did for us.
That Same bible says that whosoever believeth not is condemned already.
Scenario imagine some person about 10 being sick with a deadly disease and you found a cure, one you are willing to share/give freely but they have to come get it from you, as it turned out about 2 actually came to receive it from you, the others for whatever reason stayed back, question who gets the healing? All? Or those who actually believed enough to come get it?
 
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A couple of observations.

First, some of the arguments here are really about inclusivism, not universalism. People who say that only Christians can be saved are arguing not just against universalism but for an exclusivist position. My impression is that a majority of Christians today are inclusivist.

Second, the big problem with universalism is Jesus' teachings. Paul can plausibly be understood as universalist. The only way you can understand Jesus as universalist is to understand judgement as temporary and purgatorial. Or perhaps symbolic of the kind of thing in 1 Cor 3:12 (though that passage seems to be directed specifically at Christians). There's reason to think that many 1st Cent Jews understood punishment as temporary. Perhaps Jesus took that as understood, though it seems odd that he would never have said so. I think it's easier to understand Jesus as speaking about annihilation than universalism. (I think the case for annihilation is pretty strong when you look at the OT basis of the imagery of fire, etc.) Some of Jesus' talk of judgement can reasonably be understood as falling short of hell. E.g. the outer darkness has sometimes been understood as Christians who realize that they haven't been doing what Jesus wanted. However it's challenging to understand all of his talk about judgement this way.

How might punishment reconcile people when prisons clearly do not? The most plausible case I think think of is if the fire is symbolic of a process of renewal, and isn't really punitive, or at least not just punitive. Our prison systems were originally intended to do this as well, though they clearly don't. Perhaps having God as your warden will produce better results.

I do understand the attractiveness of universalism for Christian witness. I'd much rather approach someone with the understanding that God loves him than with an understanding that God may love him but probably doesn't (at least if the common estimate of only 10% being saved is true).
 
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Why did GOD transfer us out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of LIGHT in HIS SON?

Why will the sons of the kingdom judge?

Why does Christ say I did not come to bring peace

And why does HE say no sign shall be given this generation but the sign of Jonah...that the men of ninevah will stand in the judgement and condemn this generation
(Why any sign at all or why preach the GOSPEL, and why a day of judgement and why judges if all will be saved)

Why if all these TRUTHS connive claim Universalism to be true?
 
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To my mind, when your understanding is in agreement with the masses, it's time to re-evaluate your understanding; you know what I mean? The whole wide road vs. narrow road thing. If few there be that find it, then that implies the masses haven't found it, right?

As far as I'm concerned, universalism is the only doctrine that works. Annihilationism has to alter passages saying "all men saved" into "not really all men saved"; it has to change "all" into "not all" in a lot of passages. Universalism doesn't. It doesn't have to change anything and accepts all passages. Eternal suffering is completely devoid of biblical support, except for a single passage in an apocalyptic book which passage is highly suspect in most translations. So the entire doctrine of eternal suffering is founded on a single verse in the Revelation. And people use a single verse to overturn all other scripture, especially the multitude of passages speaking of everyone being reconciled to God, and all men being saved, and Christ being the Saviour of all men.

It's odd that Christians in general are very uncomfortable at the thought that God would save everyone, and highly comfortable with the thought that most of their friends and loved ones will suffer forever while they sit in paradise not caring.

Hey how's it going? The thing is the Bible doesen't teach universalism that would completely defeat the mission of Jesus's ministry which was and still is is to save people from their sins.

Here's what Jesus says that might help a little bit in John 5:24-30

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

In this text Jesus makes it very clear that there's a distinction between two separate classes, those that believe in him will have life,and those that don't believe him will be condemned. Jesus said it himself.
 
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because salvation is a process which involves humans and humans have the capacity to change otherwise they do not have freedom and therefore do not exist.

people who see universalism as all-inclusive don't understand how it works. the very nature of evil rejects God and so how can you say that it is saved? evil is the condition of non-salvation. even in the most sinful being there lies sleeping the potential of their original self as God conceived of them otherwise if they were completely anti-God they would not even exist because God is the source of life itself. but evil beings are cut off from their inner-most being which is why they are in the kinds of conditions that they are in.
 
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Hey how's it going? The thing is the Bible doesen't teach universalism that would completely defeat the mission of Jesus's ministry which was and still is is to save people from their sins.

Here's what Jesus says that might help a little bit in John 5:24-30

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

In this text Jesus makes it very clear that there's a distinction between two separate classes, those that believe in him will have life,and those that don't believe him will be condemned. Jesus said it himself.
Yes HE did
And HE said this before HE was crucified

And in fact HE addressed two sets of people in the following scriptures as well
To those who didn't believe HE said:
You can not follow ME where I am going you can not come and if you do not believe I am HE, ye shall die in your sins (John 9)

And to those who believed in HIM, HE said:
I am going away and you can not follow ME now but you will later

This is the scriptures where thw disciple asks how can we follow you we do not know the WAY

This is when CHRIST said:
I am THE WAY
and THE TRUTH
and THE LIFE

No man comes to THE FATHER except through ME (John 13)
 
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To my mind, when your understanding is in agreement with the masses, it's time to re-evaluate your understanding; you know what I mean? The whole wide road vs. narrow road thing. If few there be that find it, then that implies the masses haven't found it, right?

As far as I'm concerned, universalism is the only doctrine that works. Annihilationism has to alter passages saying "all men saved" into "not really all men saved"; it has to change "all" into "not all" in a lot of passages. Universalism doesn't. It doesn't have to change anything and accepts all passages. Eternal suffering is completely devoid of biblical support, except for a single passage in an apocalyptic book which passage is highly suspect in most translations. So the entire doctrine of eternal suffering is founded on a single verse in the Revelation. And people use a single verse to overturn all other scripture, especially the multitude of passages speaking of everyone being reconciled to God, and all men being saved, and Christ being the Saviour of all men.

It's odd that Christians in general are very uncomfortable at the thought that God would save everyone, and highly comfortable with the thought that most of their friends and loved ones will suffer forever while they sit in paradise not caring.

Yeah John it is pretty uncomfortable of the thought that those that aren't saved would burn forever in hell. Thankfully the Bible doesent teach eternal torture in hell,wouldn't that make sinners immortal? When the Bible says that only God has and those that follow Christ will have eternal life. Romans 2:7 1 Timothy 1:17

Think about it for a second a loving caring and caring merciful God would allow let's say a 13 year old boy to burn for a billion years and he hasn't even scratched the surface of how long he's going to burn in complete agony in pain. Have you ever burned yourself on a stove and that pain only lasted a second, now can you imagine that pain amplified all over your body for the rest of eternity? It's inconceivable and the Bible doesn't teach in fact that Bible says: in Malachi 4:3 3 You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,
Says the Lord of hosts.

What's the end result of something being burned up? That's right ashes.

Also in Revelation God said that he will wipe every tear from the eyes from those that are saved and there will be no more sorrow

Revelation 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

Wouldn't those that are saved still feel pain if there are loved ones that are burning day in and day out in hell?

I hope that might bring a little bit more clarity John.
 
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because salvation is a process which involves humans and humans have the capacity to change otherwise they do not have freedom and therefore do not exist.

people who see universalism as all-inclusive don't understand how it works. the very nature of evil rejects God and so how can you say that it is saved? evil is the condition of non-salvation. even in the most sinful being there lies sleeping the potential of their original self as God conceived of them otherwise if they were completely anti-God they would not even exist because God is the source of life itself.
How can one mske themselves alive if they are dead?

Can they make themselves alive by a process?

And what would that process be

"We believe ONE died...therefore all were dead"
 
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God does not save man without man wanting and reaching out to God. if one died then it means at our core is Christ and so I know the end of the story no matter how long it takes. it's pretty simple when you know that life swallows up death. the anti of God would be limitation and that means that evils very nature has an end while goodness has no end.

but it's still absolutely wrong that God would force evil people to convert which is exactly how the kingdom of Caesar trys to force Christianity upon people. the only problem with salvation is the part man plays because Gods will is pretty simple. it's torture to the other souls to see their fellows in bad conditions, i'm sure God is stuck between a rock and a hard place. deleting some of his ex-children from his saved children's memories would alter the very fabric of his saved children. who is sick enough to not care that God aborted some of his children? they are in the process of being born to life everlasting and God shall successfully give birth to them.

so I tend to see our very reality as souls who are still being created. in some ways we don't even really exist and so I could see how some people would believe in annilationism because it seems rational in some ways. but I think God made the saved and unsaved to share a world to tie everyone together. some forms of Christianity do not see salvation as something happening from only an individual level. everyone seems to be part of myself, I do not desire some parts of me to perish.
 
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No, it is saying that all Christians will be saved. You quote this passage as if it is speaking to everyone, but it is clearly limited to the church and addressed to the church at Corinth.
"...1:2 to the church of God that is in Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, and called to be saints, with all those in every place who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours."
Not all.

If Universalisim was real how do you explain Jesus's parable of the sower? Matthew 13:1-23.

The parable explained:
18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked onecomes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

Hear Jesus makes a distinction of the seed which is the word of God and the different types of people that receive the word of God. In a nutshell you have a class that truly received the word of God and becomes fruitful and another class that receives the word but never becomes fruitful.

Jesus loved using metaphors dealing with fruit and plants.

Jesus says that he is the vine and those that don't produce fruit are cut off and thrown into the fire.

John 15:5-6.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7

Once again Jesus makes a distinction between 2 separate classes those that abide in him and produce fruit, and those that do not abide in him and produce fruit are cut off and thrown into the fire.

All throughout the Bible you'll see that the Bible doesn't support Universalism.
 
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if you look at all the parables as internal processes occurring in individual people then you will see a kind of spiritual battle. who here can admit to them having some seeds sown in bad places in you and since you where not perfect you rejected some of the potential goodness that God had offered you? people who think they have fully accepted everything that God gives to them don't understand their own weak and feeble nature. black and white thinking ignores reality. nothing is as simple as "this person is good and that person is bad".
 
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Is Universalism evil? Am I no better as a Christian Universalist than I was as an Agnostic who barely believed anything?

I'm having one last informal discussion on this subject.

Someone posted a great blog on Universalism, with supporting Bible verses. Upon request, I will link the thread. (I hope they don't mind.)


Universalism is not of Christ's doctrine:

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds
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2 John 1:9-11
 
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Having said that, I tend to go against the mainstream in one way...If one were to die having never heard the gospel, and never given the opportunity to accept Christ...but they lived a good life, following the moral law that is written on all men's hearts, then why would a merciful God condemn them for their ignorance? I know I'll be accused of advocating a works based salvation for this statement...but I don't believe God to be so cruel as to condemn someone who never had a chance...

is this based on biblical data or your personal feelings?
 
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if you look at all the parables as internal processes occurring in individual people then you will see a kind of spiritual battle. who here can admit to them having some seeds sown in bad places in you and since you where not perfect you rejected some of the potential goodness that God had offered you? people who think they have fully accepted everything that God gives to them don't understand their own weak and feeble nature. black and white thinking ignores reality. nothing is as simple as "this person is good and that person is bad".

Hey Noxot how are you? I completely agree with you we all are in the middle of a spiritual battle that takes place everyday that's why everyday we need to humbly ask God to allow us to be able to follow his will because like you said in our own strength we are very weak and feeble and the more we draw close to Christ the more we start to realize how unworthy we are, that's why Paul says that he dies daily 1 Corinthians 15:31 and we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against the rulers of darkness Ephesians 6:12

However that doesn't take away from the fact that Christ being the ultimate and final judge and in his wisdom throughout his early ministry and throughout the course of the Bible, outlines the plan of salvation and the consequences of those that reject this gift, it's a choice that's not forced on anyone.

If everyone is to be saved that wouldn't be much of a choice would it? That would make God a dictator.

Revelation 22:17 says: And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely...... The last chapter of the Bible in the last book of the Bible ends with the invitation to take the water of life FREELY and not by force.

Who is this water of life?

Jesus of course John 4:14

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

So people can either choose to drink from the living water or not to. It's not something that is forced on anyone. And with Universalisim it implies that I'll be forced to be saved.

What if I don't want to be saved?
 
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define salvation

Salvation:

Of the many Hebrew words used to signify salvation, yasa [[;v"y] (to save, help in distress, rescue, deliver, set free) appears most frequently in the Old Testament. Commonly, the deliverance of which the Old Testament speaks is material in nature, though there are important exceptions. In contrast, the employment of soteria in the New Testament, though it may include material preservation, usually signifies a deliverance with special spiritual significance. In addition to the notion of deliverance the Bible also uses salvation to denote health, well-being, and healing.

Broadly speaking, one might say that salvation is the overriding theme of the entire Bible. But since it is a multidimensional theme with a wide range of meaning, simple definitions are impossible. The biblical writers speak of salvation as a reality with at once spiritual and physical, individual and communal, objective and subjective, eternal and historical dimensions. Since the biblical writers view salvation as a historical reality, the temporal dimensions of past, present, and future further intensify and deepen the concept. Salvation is a process with a beginning and an end. Further, salvation involves the paradox of human freedom and divine election. Despite the complexity of these dimensions, the Bible constantly speaks about salvation in the context of some very simple and concrete relationshipsbetween humans and God, between human beings, and between human beings and nature. God is the main actor throughout, from the deliverance of Noah's family to the great multitude who shout "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" ( Rev 7:10 ).

The Old Testament. In general the Old Testament writers see salvation as a reality more physical than spiritual, more social than individual. Where individuals are singled out it seems to be for the good of the community. For example, the Genesis narrative develops the theme of God's blessing, which though resting on certain individuals, renders them agents for some greater work of God. Joseph's rise to fame in Egypt preserves the lives of his entire family ( Gen 45:4-7 ). Through Noah's faithfulness God brings salvation to his family as well as animal life (Gen. 7-9). And the blessing of the promise of nationhood and land for Abraham was not only for his descendants but for all families on the earth ( Gen 12:1-3 ). After 430 years in Egypt, an entire people is delivered through Moses (Exod. 1-12). Through Esther's rise to power the Jewish people are spared annihilation ( Esther 7 ).

Despite the importance of human agency, salvation is attributed above all to God. None but God can save ( Isa 43:14 ; Hosea 1:7 ). He is the keeper of his flock ( Eze 34 ) and on him alone one waits for a saving word to penetrate the silence ( Psalm 62 ). Idolatry is an illusion, for the salvation of Israel is in the Lord ( Jer 3:23 ). God is the warriornot Moseswho triumphs gloriously over Pharaoh's armies at the sea ( Exod 15 ). Salvation is something to stand and watch, for "The Lord will fight for you; and you need only be still" ( Exod 14:13 ). "In repentance and rest is your salvation; in quietness and trust is your strength" summons Isaiah ( 30:15 ). The content of God's salvation includes personal and national deliverance from one's enemies, deliverance from slavery ( Deut 24:18 ), ongoing protection and preservation from evil (Ps. 121), escape from death ( Psalm 68:19 ), healing ( Psalm 69:29 ; Jer 17:14 ), inheritance of land, descendants, and long life.

Salvation from sin, though not a dominant concern, is by no means absent, especially in the prophets. As much as he is concerned for Israel's national restoration, Ezekiel stresses the need for salvation from uncleanness, iniquity, and idolatry ( 36:22-32 ). Here salvation involves the gift of a new heart of flesh and new spirit, which will finally empower his people to keep the commandments, after which comes habitation in the land. In this passage, too, we encounter a common refrain: such salvation, when it comes, will be neither for the sake of Israel nor her deeds, but for God and his glory, which has been profaned and which now must be vindicated among the nations. Isaiah tells of a salvation still on the way, which will be achieved through the vicarious suffering of the Servant (chap. 53) who bears the sin of many. This salvation will last forever ( 51:6 ).

The anticipated salvation of the prophetic writings manifests a tension similar to that which pervades the New Testament. While salvation is a fait accompliGod saved Israel from slavery in Egypt unto a covenant relationship with himselfIsrael still awaits God's salvation. God had saved Israel in the past, and therefore God can be expected to deliver in the future. Whatever else salvation may be from a biblical perspective, its dimensions of "settled past" and "anticipated future" show it in its widest scope to be an elongated reality covering the entire trajectory of history. This recognition has helped recent biblical scholarship to avoid the earlier pitfall of relegating the role of the Old Testament to that of mere preparation or precursor for the gospel. One cannot escape the fact that for the Jews of the Old Testament salvation was not an abstract concept, but a real and present experience. The psalms are replete with praise for God's salvation, which is experienced as joy ( 51:12 ). It is a cup of thanksgiving lifted to God ( 116:13 ) and a horn ( 18:2 ). Elsewhere salvation is depicted as a torch ( Isa 62:1 ), a well ( Isa 12:3 ), and a shield ( 2 Sam 22:36 ).

The New Testament. The advent name "Immanuel, " "God with us, " signifies momentous progress in the history of salvation. In Matthew's Gospel the angel tells Joseph that Mary's child is conceived of the Holy Spirit, and that he is "to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins" ( 1:21-23 ). The name "Jesus" (derived from the Hebrew Joshua [;[Wv/hy]) itself means salvation. The purpose for the Son of Man's coming is to seek out and save the lost ( Luke 19:10 ). The New Testament continues the Old Testament affirmation that salvation belongs to God alone, but with greater specificity. Now it is God's presence in and to the man Jesus that proves decisive. Peter's certainty of this relation between "Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified" and the "God [who raised him] from the dead" moves him to the exclusive confession that salvation belongs only to the name of Jesus Christ ( Acts 4:10-12 ).

In Jesus' teaching salvation is linked to the advance of God's kingdom, which is in turn linked to Jesus' own person. By using God's kingdom as a circumlocution for salvation, Jesus deepens the Old Testament conviction that salvation belongs to God, for the kingdom signifies a sphere of reality in which God reigns sovereign. The disciples themselves responded to Jesus' teaching about the kingdom with the question "Who then can be saved?" ( Mark 10:23-26 ). That Jesus understood himself to be that bringer of God's kingdom is evident in the claim following his synagogue reading, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing" ( Luke 4:21 ). Salvation belongs to those who follow Jesus, bringer and embodiment of God's kingdom.

Salvation is described as the mystery of God that is now revealed ( Eph 3:9 ; 6:19 ), a plan conceived before the foundations of the world ( Eph 1:3-14 ), a light for revelation to the Gentiles ( Luke 2:30-32), a transition from death to life ( John 5:24 ), a message especially for sinners ( Mark 2:17 ), a gift of grace through faith not of works ( Eph 2:8-9 ), that for which the whole creation groans ( Rom 8:22 ), the revelation of God's righteousness to faith and for faith ( Rom 1:16-17 ), the justification that comes through faith ( Rom 4:22-25 ), reconciliation ( 2 Cor 5:18-19 ), and redemption ( Rom 8:23 ). In response to Nicodemus's statement, salvation is said to be a spiritual birth, a birth from above without which one cannot enter the kingdom ( John 3:1-11 ). Salvation means death to and freedom from sin ( Rom 6 ), a new perspective that transcends the human point of view and participation in a new creation ( Rom 5:16-17 ), peace with God ( Rom 5:1 ), life as adopted children of God's ( Gal 4:4 ), baptism into Christ's death ( Rom 6:4 ), and the reception of the Holy Spirit ( Rom 5 , 8 ).

Salvation encompasses both the physical and spiritual dimensions of life, having relevance for the whole person. On the physical side, entrance into the kingdom requires attention to earthly needs, especially those of the poor. Jesus demands that a wealthy man give his riches to the poor ( Mark 10:17-22 ). The salvation that comes to Zacchaeus's house inspires him to give half his possessions to the poor ( Luke 19:8-10 ). Care for the poor was a regular function of the earliest Christian communities ( Acts 9:36 ; Acts 10:4 Acts 10:31 ; 24:17 ; Gal 2:10 ; James 2:1-7 ). But for Jesus the physical and spiritual dimensions are held very close together. Forgiveness of sins and physical healing frequently coexist, as in the healing of the paralytic ( Mark 2:1-12 ). Other healings done in Jesus' name call attention to the intimate connection ( Acts 3:16 ; 4:7-12 ) among spirit, mind, and body. In these examples salvation means not only forgiveness of sin but mitigation of its effects.

Salvation also extends beyond the parameters of national Jewish identity. On at least two occasions Jesus corrects (or at least sidesteps) national expectations concerning the kingdomonce in response to the disciples' question ( Acts 1:6-8 ) and once on the Emmaus road ( Luke 24:25-26 ). Since Jesus' death was for all people ( John 11:51 ), repentance and forgiveness of sins were to be proclaimed to all nations ( Luke 24:47 ). This gospel, says Paul, was given in advance in the form of God's promise to bless all the nations through Abraham ( Gal 3:8 ).

The objective basis and means of salvation is God's sovereign and gracious choice to be "God with us" in the person of Jesus Christ, who is described as both author and mediator of salvation ( Heb 2:10 ; 7:25 ). But the movement of Jesus' life goes through the cross and resurrection. It is therefore "Christ crucified" that is of central importance for salvation ( 1 Cor 1:23), for "Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures" ( 1 Cor 15:3 ) and was handed to death for our trespasses ( Rom 4:25 ). What Jesus did in our name he also did in our place, giving "his life as a ransom for many" ( Matt 20:28 ). And if Christ demonstrated his love by dying when we were still sinners, how much more shall we now be saved by his life? ( Rom 5:8-10 ). So critical is the resurrection to the future hope of salvation that "If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins" ( 1 Cor 15:17 ).

The subjective basis of salvation is personal repentance and faith, often associated closely with water baptism. John the Baptist preached a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins ( Matt 3:2 ; Mark 1:4 ), a message echoed by Peter ( Acts 2:38 ) and Paul ( Acts 20:21 ). Jesus said salvation required belief in him ( Mark 16:15 ; John 6:47 ). Paul enjoined confession with the mouth that "Jesus is Lord" and belief that God raised him from the dead ( Rom 10:8-9 ). The writer of Hebrews suggests that the hearing of the gospel is of no value unless combined with faith ( 4:1 ).

The New Testament articulates salvation in terms of past, present, and future time. In Christ we were elected before the foundation of the world ( Eph 1:4 ). In hope we were saved ( Rom 8:24 ). Yet the cross is the power of God for those who are being saved ( 1 Cor 1:18 ). Likewise Paul's readers are admonished to work out their salvation with fear and trembling ( Php 2:12 ). And there is yet a salvation that lies waiting to be revealed in the last time ( 1 Peter 1:5 ), a redemption for which we groan inwardly ( Rom 8:23 ). For Paul, the past dimension of salvation is generally conceived as justification, redemption, and reconciliation, while its present dimension is depicted in terms of the Spirit's sanctifying work. Its future dimension is said to be glorification, the culmination of the saving process wherein believers will experience Christ's presence in new and resurrected bodies no longer burdened by the vestiges of sin.
 
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if you look at all the parables as internal processes occurring in individual people then you will see a kind of spiritual battle. who here can admit to them having some seeds sown in bad places in you and since you where not perfect you rejected some of the potential goodness that God had offered you? people who think they have fully accepted everything that God gives to them don't understand their own weak and feeble nature. black and white thinking ignores reality. nothing is as simple as "this person is good and that person is bad".
If Universalisim was real how do you explain Jesus's parable of the sower? Matthew 13:1-23.

The parable explained:
18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked onecomes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

Hear Jesus makes a distinction of the seed which is the word of God and the different types of people that receive the word of God. In a nutshell you have a class that truly received the word of God and becomes fruitful and another class that receives the word but never becomes fruitful.

Jesus loved using metaphors dealing with fruit and plants.

Jesus says that he is the vine and those that don't produce fruit are cut off and thrown into the fire.

John 15:5-6.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7

Once again Jesus makes a distinction between 2 separate classes those that abide in him and produce fruit, and those that do not abide in him and produce fruit are cut off and thrown into the fire.

All throughout the Bible you'll see that the Bible doesn't support Universalism.
Except you left out the beginnings of Matthew 13 that the secrets of the kingdom haven't been given to all which is WHY HE speaks in parables
 
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