Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

LouisBooth said:

If any major intelligence people had come forth, might have been hesitant, yes. You also assume he pounce on the idea..which he did not.

You tell me. I don't see that it was at this time. Voter fraud? Yes, as apparent stories surface and the situation in Detroit, but rigged? No.

So answer my question. What DID Russia do to help?

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So Trump lied about the election being rigged then. OK, good to know.

wing2000 said:

Cheney and his Neo-Con squad squashed any doubts about WMD. Recall the "Office of Special Plans" created in the Pentagon to counter the early assessments by CIA? Eventually, Tenet was given his marching orders.....The reliance on a questionable, single source...."curveball" surely triggered warnings within the community. Additionally, German and British intelligence services warned the Americans. And at least one National Security Council person resigned in protest...the warning signs were there.

As for the current situation, it's a bit early to say...but as a starting position, I'll go with the CIA over Russian leaks of Wikileak information....

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Cheney? You mean other intel agencies at that time. Try again. Everyone was saying they are there. Hindsight is 20/20.

Going with the CIA huh? Even with Wikileaks and now the FBI say they are full of it? Bold stance, not sure it's the right one, but bold none the less.

bhsmte said:

The CIA has made a living influencing elections in foreign countries.

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To bad the CIA was not able to influence this election. If Russia was able to influence our election then they should examine under a microscope how they were able to influence the outcome.

LouisBooth said:

Cheney? You mean other intel agencies at that time. Try again. Everyone was saying they are there. Hindsight is 20/20.

Going with the CIA huh? Even with Wikileaks and now the FBI say they are full of it? Bold stance, not sure it's the right one, but bold none the less.

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...the story is what...3 days old? There's nothing bold about my stance...on the other hand, I see a lot of people placing their faith in Russia / Wikileaks.

Armoured said:

So Trump lied about the election being rigged then. OK, good to know.

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Hmm..so you dodged the question. So tell me HOW did the Russians help? Stay on topic please.

wing2000 said:

...the story is what...3 days old? There's nothing bold about my stance...on the other hand, I see a lot of people placing their faith in Russia / Wikileaks.

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I'd say it is bold. Has wikileaks ever put out false information? It's a bold stance based on the fact that it's coming from the agency that said their source wasn't verified. Did you read the full NYTs article?

bhsmte said:

Clinton lost because she was a horrible candidate, long before any emails were discovered. Obama upset her in 08 and Sanders got much more support than anyone anticipated.

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This was one election that God was in control of. Mankind was to close to annihilating themselves as they annihilated Aleppo in Syria. We have to stop this war and we can not allow it to spread to other cities in Middle East. You claim there is no God but the fact that mankind has not destroyed itself is evidence that there is a God that is restraining the forces that seek to destroy mankind.

LouisBooth said:

Hmm..so you dodged the question. So tell me HOW did the Russians help? Stay on topic please.

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If they knew how to rig an election the Dems would have been all over that a long time ago. It was the Dems that sent the thugs in to stir up trouble in the hope that would give them some sort of an advantage. The worst city of all was Obama's city of chicago. Trump had to cancel there because Hillary's thugs stirred up so much trouble. The real reason they could not stop Trump is because he did not announce his plans and he did not tell them what he was going to do. So they were not able to go in and cause trouble and stop him. WI and MI was actually a back up plan if he did not get Penn. If people think that somehow Putin influence those states to vote for Trump then that is about the most absurd thing I have ever heard. It was actually Paul Rand that went in with the governor to influence that state to go with Trump.

joshua 1 9 said:

If people think that somehow Putin influence those states to vote for Trump then that is about the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

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Russians hacking the election is just another dodge by the democrats. First it was racism, then fake news, then electoral college and then the Russians hacking. I'm sure they will think of something else next, maybe EL Niño.

LouisBooth said:

Russians hacking the election is just another dodge by the democrats.

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The risk that the US might end up becoming a Russian satellite state is not serious enough to at least investigate seriously and present the case for the EC?

In the best case scenario, if you investigate and present the case for the electors and no credible proof is found, how serious the damage done will be by doing this?

In the worst case scenario, if you just forget about it and there would have been evidence to find, that means that the US might have just de facto ceased to be an independent country as it's head of state is controlled by Russia.

Some basic risk-reward logic should really be applied here guys.

Jack of Spades said:

The risk that the US might end up becoming a Russian satellite state is not serious enough to at least investigate seriously and present the case for the EC

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When it's a political based claim and not a truth based claim? Yes.

LouisBooth said:

When it's a political based claim and not a truth based claim? Yes.

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So, CIA is a political organization that makes political claims by default and it's claims are not worth even considering as having factual basis?

Good we got this sorted out.

Let's remember this when CIA finds out something about some Democrat, shall we? Actually naah, forget that. I know already that then it will be the other way around again.

Jack of Spades said:

So, CIA is a political organization that makes political claims by default and it's claims are not worth even considering as having factual basis

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IN this case that's what's becoming clear. Even the head of the ODNI thinks it's politically based and a false claim. So yes. He has not refuted it, but not endorsed it due to..surprise..LACK OF EVIDENCE. Even Comey thinks it's a pile and was quoted in reference to it saying, ""And Brennan takes his marching orders from President Obama,". So yes, politically based claim.

LouisBooth said:

"And Brennan takes his marching orders from President Obama,".

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...I haven't so far heard of a director of an intelligence agency who doesn't have the head of the state as their superior.

joshua 1 9 said:

This was one election that God was in control of. Mankind was to close to annihilating themselves as they annihilated Aleppo in Syria. We have to stop this war and we can not allow it to spread to other cities in Middle East. You claim there is no God but the fact that mankind has not destroyed itself is evidence that there is a God that is restraining the forces that seek to destroy mankind.

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LOL

joshua 1 9 said:

To bad the CIA was not able to influence this election. If Russia was able to influence our election then they should examine under a microscope how they were able to influence the outcome.

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Easy, by making certain information available and that information was accurate.

bhsmte said:

LOL

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Interesting enough at his final press conference today Obama accepts full responsibility for what happened in Aleppo. He takes full responsibility for all the consequences of his decisions.

bhsmte said:

Easy

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If this election was so easy to win then why did two former presidents fail in their attempt to get Hillary elected? Are you saying that Trump won because his information was more accurate and he did not try to lie to the people?

joshua 1 9 said:

Interesting enough at his final press conference today Obama accepts full responsibility for what happened in Aleppo. He takes full responsibility for all the consequences of his decisions.

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got a link?

joshua 1 9 said:

This was one election that God was in control of.

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If that election is how God taking control looks like, I'd hate to see God not being in control.