Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

Paul Yohannan said:

"Two consecutive."

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mmksparbud said:

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In other words, Saturday and Sunday.

Paul Yohannan said:

In other words, Saturday and Sunday.

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The main is Sunday---that is why they call themselves the European Sunday Alliance. The go for 2, but want only Sunday. If they get 2, they want to cut down to Sunday being no personal work besides no monetary work with Saturday being the day you can work around the house type of thing, It's in their other papers, there's a slew of them.

mmksparbud said:

The main is Sunday---that is why they call themselves the European Sunday Alliance. The go for 2, but want only Sunday. If they get 2, they want to cut down to Sunday being no personal work besides no monetary work with Saturday being the day you can work around the house type of thing, It's in their other papers, there's a slew of them.

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And they offer a compelling rationale for it in terms of social cohesion. Considering the disastrous failure of multiculturalism in Europe, social cohesion seems like a good basis for policy. That this would inconvenience Jews, Muslims and Sabbatarians is surely a secondary consideration.

Mandatory Sunday laws would not prevent Adventists from observing Saturday.

Paul Yohannan said:

And they offer a compelling rationale for it in terms of social cohesion. Considering the disastrous failure of multiculturalism in Europe, social cohesion seems like a good basis for policy. That this would inconvenience Jews, Muslims and Sabbatarians is surely a secondary consideration.

Mandatory Sunday laws would not prevent Adventists from observing Saturday.

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Yes, compelling, isn't it. And it will be eve more compelling when facing an energy crisis. It's all been expected and the blue laws are already in most states and have been for years and years, they will be enforced, just as predicted. And Eventually, it will lead to no Saturday observance, Sunday only. It is their stated goal. It will happen as predicted and is happening now. And it will al, be hailed as a wonderful thing, esp. for the poor.
what will be, will be.

Goodbook,
re: "Even though the RCC didnt even exist back when christians started gathering on the first day of the week (the Lords day, when He was resurrected) to worship."



Just so it's understood - as it's been touched on - that there is no scripture that says that anyone met on the first day of the week for the observance of a special time of rest and worship, nor that ever refers to the first day of the week as the "Lord's day".

mmksparbud said:

There is no silly icon on here---I went to SDA schools--never heard such a thing!!We are anti-Catholic doctrine, not anti-Catholic people.

This is what I was taught
We should not go out of our way to make hard thrusts at the Catholics. Among the Catholics there are many who are most conscientious Christians, and who walk in all the light that shines upon them, and God will work in their behalf.—Testimonies for the Church 9:243. {ChS 231.4}

—Let not those who write for our papers make unkind thrusts and allusions that will certainly do harm, and that will hedge up the way and hinder us from doing the work that we should do in order to reach all classes, the Catholics included. CW 60.1

But for Christ’s sake heed the admonitions 65which have been given in regard to making scathing remarks about the Catholics. Many Catholics read the Echo, and among the number there are honest souls who will accept the truth. But there is such a thing as shutting the door in their faces as they are about to enter. CW 64.3

I will say this--there are many Ex- Catholics in the church, and they can get a little militant.

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You may not have that experience, but there are schools in the7th Day Adventist society that teach people how to specifically convert Catholics. And some of the most anti Catholic people belong to 7th day Adventists, atheists, Muslims, Pentecostal,, evangelicals and southern baptists.

mmksparbud said:

Yes, compelling, isn't it. And it will be eve more compelling when facing an energy crisis. It's all been expected and the blue laws are already in most states and have been for years and years, they will be enforced, just as predicted. And Eventually, it will lead to no Saturday observance, Sunday only. It is their stated goal. It will happen as predicted and is happening now. And it will al, be hailed as a wonderful thing, esp. for the poor.
what will be, will be.

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The problem, of course, is that this isn't anything more than irrational fear. The fear of "blue laws" is irrational, especially in places like the US where virtually all the various "Sunday laws" have either been repealed or simply aren't enforced if they happen to still be on the books.

We would be better served preparing ourselves for the possibility of sharknados than this.

And before someone decides to quote the Scripture "peace and safety!", perhaps stop, think critically, be rational, and realize that this kind of abuse of Scripture could be used to literally refer to anything. Don't believe lizard people are going to come and get ya? "peace and safety!", don't believe secret Vatican ninjas have infiltrated the public school system and are secretly turning our kids into homosexuals (because that's what Vatican ninjas do I guess?)? "peace and safety".

Also, this isn't the appropriate time to be using the passage concerning "scoffers" in the last days. Those "scoffers" which St. Peter's epistle mentions refers to those who scoff at the idea that Christ will, indeed, return. Not those who scoff at various conspiracy theories, or scoff at end times predictions, but those who scoff at the Parousia itself.

-CryptoLutheran

katholischen_miliz said:

You may not have that experience, but there are schools in the7th Day Adventist society that teach people how to specifically convert Catholics. And some of the most anti Catholic people belong to 7th day Adventists, atheists, Muslims, Pentecostal,, evangelicals and southern Baptists.

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I am very aware that Catholics, Baptists, and all other faiths, probably Muslims and Jews, also have seminars and teachings on how to be more successful at converting others to their faith. If they don't they would be going against scripture to go out and bring others into the fold and teach them. Not quite the same thing that you are picturing.

mmksparbud said:

I am very aware that Catholics, Baptists, and all other faiths, probably Muslims and Jews, also have seminars and teachings on how to be more successful at converting others to their faith. If they don't they would be going against scripture to go out and bring others into the fold and teach them. Not quite the same thing that you are picturing.

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For the majority of Christians "sheep stealing" is considered, at the absolute and very best, incredibly distasteful.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

For the majority of Christians "sheep stealing" is considered, at the absolute and very best, incredibly distasteful.

-CryptoLutheran

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Quite.

ViaCrucis said:

For the majority of Christians "sheep stealing" is considered, at the absolute and very best, incredibly distasteful.

-CryptoLutheran

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Sheep stealing. First heard that term on here a short while ago. No one steals sheep from God. Christians choose one denomination over another all the time. God rescues the lost from Satan, strange we then call those who choose another faith as being stolen. There are ex SDA who are now another faith, am I to consider those as stolen? Are they still not God's?

ViaCrucis said:

For the majority of Christians "sheep stealing" is considered, at the absolute and very best, incredibly distasteful.

-CryptoLutheran

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That is what Catholics said about Lutherans

As it turns out - the Protestant Reformation is historic fact. Consider Sola Scriptura testing of all doctrine and tradition -

katholischen_miliz said:

You may not have that experience, but there are schools in the7th Day Adventist society that teach people how to specifically convert Catholics. And some of the most anti Catholic people belong to 7th day Adventists, atheists, Muslims, Pentecostal,, evangelicals and southern baptists.

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I have heard ex-mormons talk about how to reach mormons.
I have heard ex-JW's talk about how to reach JW's
I have heard ex-Hindus talk about how to reach Hindus.

I have also read the Barna reports talking about the fastest shrinking Christian denominations in terms of ther declining growth rates and in some cases negative growth rates.

BobRyan said:

That is what Catholics said about Lutherans


As it turns out - the Protestant Reformation is historic fact. Consider Sola Scriptura testing of all doctrine and tradition -

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Simply yelling certain buzzwords as though that is sufficient to make a point does nothing.

-CryptoLutheran

Who is yelling?? Didn't hear a thing.

ViaCrucis said:

For the majority of Christians "sheep stealing" is considered, at the absolute and very best, incredibly distasteful.

-CryptoLutheran

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That is what Catholics said about Lutherans

As it turns out - the Protestant Reformation is historic fact. Consider Sola Scriptura testing of all doctrine and tradition -

ViaCrucis said:

Simply yelling certain buzzwords as though that is sufficient to make a point does nothing.

-CryptoLutheran

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not talking about "buzzwords" we are talking about "details" that are obvious to all of us.

And we have more "details" -- purely "facts of life" details.

If you are going to attack the very start of the Lutheran movement - then you should at least tell us why you think the Catholics were justified in their complaints about Luther and Lutherans in this regard.

I have heard ex-mormons talk about how to reach mormons.
I have heard ex-JW's talk about how to reach JW's
I have heard ex-Hindus talk about how to reach Hindus.

I have also read the Barna reports talking about the fastest shrinking Christian denominations in terms of ther declining growth rates and in some cases negative growth rates.

BobRyan said:

If you are going to attack the very start of the Lutheran movement

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Which I haven't done.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

For the majority of Christians "sheep stealing" is considered, at the absolute and very best, incredibly distasteful.

-CryptoLutheran

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That is what Catholics said about Lutherans

As it turns out - the Protestant Reformation is historic fact. Consider Sola Scriptura testing of all doctrine and tradition -

ViaCrucis said:

Simply yelling certain buzzwords as though that is sufficient to make a point does nothing.

-CryptoLutheran

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not talking about "buzzwords" we are talking about "details" that are obvious to all of us.

And we have more "details" -- purely "facts of life" details.

If you are going to attack the very start of the Lutheran movement - then you should at least tell us why you think the Catholics were justified in their complaints about Luther and Lutherans in this regard.

I have heard ex-mormons talk about how to reach mormons.
I have heard ex-JW's talk about how to reach JW's
I have heard ex-Hindus talk about how to reach Hindus.

I have also read the Barna reports talking about the fastest shrinking Christian denominations in terms of ther declining growth rates and in some cases negative growth rates.

ViaCrucis said:

Which I haven't done.

-CryptoLutheran

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Didn't you just relegate Luther's stand on "Sola Scriptura" as "buzzwords" that should be ignored?

Or did you mean that "sheep steeling" is a meaningless buzzword never used by Luther and should be ignored??

BobRyan said:

Didn't you just relegate Luther's stand on "Sola Scriptura" as "buzzwords" that should be ignored?

Or did you mean that "sheep steeling" is a meaningless buzzword never used by Luther and should be ignored??

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I mean words like "Reformation" and "Catholic" and "Lutheran" used outside of any meaningful context are just buzzwords.

You seem to think Catholics accused Lutherans of "sheep stealing". Of course by "sheep stealing" I don't mean people, by their own volition, choosing to adopt a new set of beliefs; I mean actively recruiting people of one church to come and join your own church. Lutherans didn't do this, for one, because Lutherans didn't regard themselves to be part of another church, but confessed faith in the Una Sancta, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

The fact that you think Luther started a new church or aimed to start a new church independent from Rome demonstrates just part of your own lack of knowledge about what the Reformation was about. And that is why you talking about the Reformation being an historic fact is just a "buzzword". You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you have--in every single instance where we've engaged each other in discussion on this website--demonstrated that you don't have a clue what you're talking about when you try and talk about Luther, Lutheranism, or the Reformation.

Also, Sola Scriptura wasn't the beginning of the Reformation, it's not what sparked the Reformation, it's not even one of the primary aspects of the Reformation. Sola Scriptura is periphery. The essence of the Reformation is the doctrine of Justification by grace alone through faith alone. Something your denomination--and many other Protestant denominations--rejects.

"For neither you nor I could ever know anything of Christ, or believe on Him, and obtain Him for our Lord, unless it were offered to us and granted to our hearts by the Holy Ghost through the preaching of the Gospel. The work is done and accomplished; for Christ has acquired and gained the treasure for us by His suffering, death, resurrection, etc. But if the work remained concealed so that no one knew of it, then it would be in vain and lost. That this treasure, therefore, might not lie buried, but be appropriated and enjoyed, God has caused the Word to go forth and be proclaimed, in which He gives the Holy Ghost to bring this treasure home and appropriate it to us. Therefore sanctifying is nothing else than bringing us to Christ to receive this good, to which we could not attain of ourselves." - Luther's Large Catechism, II, Article 3

The sola which is most central to the Evangelical Reformation is Solus Christus, Christ Alone.

-CryptoLutheran