Birth pangs

stephen583 said:

"There shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the STARS;" (Luke 21:25).

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/mysterious/star/exhibits/strange/behavior/ that puzzles/scientists

Using the Kepler space telescope, astronomers have discovered a star that is defying everything we thought we knew about astrophysics. The star KISC-846, is dying at a rate previously thought to be impossible by science. In just three years, the star has lost 2% of its' radiant energy. Previously astrophysicists claimed a loss of this magnitude of energy in a star could only occur over hundreds of millions, or even billions of years. The mere existence of KISC-846 proves astrophysicists are wrong... and has turned the scientific world upside down.

But what if the discovery of KISC-846 at this particular time in history (when so much End Time prophecy is unfolding), doesn't actually represent a coincidence at all ?

What if it is a sign set in the heavens by God announcing "The End Comes Quicker Than You Think" !.. Which appears to be the message of KISC-846, doesn't it ?

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There is no "KISC-846".

There is a KIC 8462852, which is not losing 2% of its radiant energy but may have large debris fields around it that block some of its luminosity.

Inkfingers said:

There is no "KISC-846".

There is a KIC 8462852, which is not losing 2% of its radiant energy but may have large debris fields around it that block some of its luminosity. googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1474449713049-1'); });

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That's one theory, which can't be proven. That's why they call it a theory, and not a scientific fact.

KISC-846 is an abbreviation for KISC 8462852. You do realize the first three numbers are the same, don't you ? As for the debris theory, it's just a theory which can not be proven one way, or the other at this time. All they know for certain, is the radiant energy, or (luminosity) depending on your theory of the star is decreasing at a constant rate never seen before in this space of time. Believe me, I didn't create the video, or add the words to it "mysterious star baffles scientists". That was someone else's characterization.

Nor does it particularly matter for the purpose of argument whether this star represents some sign in the heavens manifested by God, whether one scientific theory or another correctly explains this never before seen phenomena.

Maybe it's debris blocking the luminosity, or maybe it's something within the star itself diminishing the radiant energy the star emits, either way the argument is irrelevant. Neither explanation negates the fact this mysterious phenomena is occurring. Same kind of arguments were raised about the star of Bethlehem. Stellar alignment ? Supernova ? What's the difference ?

Anyway, It's the "timing" of this never before seen phenomena in the cosmos, at this particular time in history, that is significant to Bible prophecy, not theories about its' causation. .

stephen583 said:

KISC-846 is an abbreviation for KISC 8462852. You do realize the first three numbers are the same, don't you ? As for the debris theory, it's just a theory which can not be proven one way, or the other at this time. It represents one of the attempts by astrophysicists to explain something they've never seen before. All they know for certain, is the radiant energy, (luminosity) of the star is decreasing at a constant rate never seen before in this space of time. Believe me, I didn't create the video, or add the words to it "mysterious star baffles scientists". That was someone else's words.

Nor does it particularly matter for the purpose of argument whether this star represents some sign in the heavens manifested by God, whether one scientific theory or another correctly explains this never before seen phenomena.

Maybe it's debris blocking the luminosity, or maybe it's something within the star itself diminishing the radiant energy the star emits, either way the argument is irrelevant. Neither explanation negates the fact the phenomena is occurring.

Anyway, It's the "timing" of this never before seen phenomena in the cosmos at this particular time in history, that is significant to Bible prophecy, not theories about its' causation. .

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Please link to a source if you wish to claim that.
And look at the spelling of the name of the star.

Inkfingers said:

Please link to a source if you wish to claim that.
And look at the spelling of the name of the star. googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1474449713049-1'); });

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Why should I do anything you demand ? You're welcome to contact MSNBC for yourself and verify what I reported. There's a button at the bottom of their home page labeled "contact us". I recommend you use it.

As for the spelling issue, I acknowledged already in a previous post this was an error, and yet you persist in bringing it up over and over again, as though I can only satisfy you through some imagined act of contrition. Lol.

Inkfingers said:

Please link to a source if you wish to claim that.
And look at the spelling of the name of the star. googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1474449713049-1'); });

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Frankly, I have no intention of continuing this trivial argument with you, or responding to your hostile posts. I have a lot more important things to address in this forum than answering your criticisms about spelling. I will say the video I watched on MSNBC did not provide captions, it was a video accompanied with an audio feed, and it sounded to me like they said KISC 8462852, not KIC. That will have to suffice for the spelling error, which is in my view is a trivial issue anyway.

Apparently you received sufficient information in my original post to investigate the story about KIC 8462852 for yourself, as did everyone else. I don't see anyone but you going on about it.

WARS AND RUMORS OF WAR

In other relevant news; PBS, World News Reports Today

All pretense of a U.S./Russian reset and co-operation between the U.S. and Russia on Syria evaporates as tensions escalate between the two nations. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry calls for UN war crime tribunal on Aleppo atrocities by Russia and Assad regime as another hospital in Aleppo is bombed, and alleges cyber hacking of American political and U.S. critical infrastructure interests was initiated at the highest levels of the Russian government. Russia threatens to veto upcoming U.N. Security Council referendum to end attacks against Aleppo. This week Russian Duma passes a referendum to permanently leave a Russian military presence in Syria.

Today, Reuters News Agency confirms Russia has undertaken a massive military build-up in Syria in the last two weeks including thousands of ground forces and fighter aircraft reinforcements. Today 10 heavily laden Russian missile ships arrived in Syria at a port near Latkia. Transport aircraft deliveries to Syria have doubled in the last week, and additional S-300 surface to air anti-aircraft missile batteries have arrived in Syria. It is believed by military experts Russia is within hours, if not days of declaring a "No Fly Zone" over Syria, after which Western Coalition warplanes will be fired on without warning.

In a related story that evidences escalating tensions with the West, in a rare statement today by U.S. intelligence it was revealed the Russians have moved "Ivander" nuclear capable intermediate range mobile missile launchers to the enclave of Kaliningrad between Lithuania and Poland. (Source MSNBC News Headlines, Friday, 10/07/16).

My apologies if I misspelled anything.

In yet more news.

Hoof beats of the approaching Third Horseman of the Apocalypse heard around the world.

Today G20 warns of rising threat to the global economy as anti-globalism politics grow around the world. (Source, MSNBC News, AP Press).

This weekend the British pound continues to crash, raising fears on Wall Street of worsening European markets. The report of leading economic indicators released today also show an increase in unemployment for the third month in a row in the U.S, and disappointing job growth numbers in 2016, nevertheless the Fed still maintains interest rates will be increased before the end of the year, (Source PBS Evening World News Report).

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My original post cited Msnbc.com as the source for the story where it appeared in the headlines of the news website on Thursday. I don't know who produced the video, but MSNBC considered it legitimate and accurate enough to meet their journalistic standards. In the video, NASA, astrophysicists and scientists in general were cited as the experts who characterized the star as "mysterious, baffling and puzzling.

So you're absolutely incorrect to claim my post contains no source, or I was misleading and inaccurate in what I posted. I merely posted what I heard on the video, and I am not personally responsible for it's opinions, or content which, you have untruthfully asserted time and time again in this thread.

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If you think to rattle me with your posts, mischaracterizations and insults, perhaps hoping you can negatively affect my credibility in this forum, or maybe even cause me to doubt my own beliefs. I should inform you, I am no civilian in this regard. I became aware of the powers and principalities of the unseen world (Ephesians 6:12), when I was only twelve years old, and now I'm sixty.

I spend more time observing the effects of the supernatural world on the earthly stage every day, than you spend being awake. So your attempt to manipulate what I believe, or what I post in this forum for that matter, is not only completely futile, but its' actually quite amusing to me. Lol.

stephen583 said:

My original post cited Msnbc.com as the source for the story where it appeared in the headlines of the news website on Thursday. I don't know who produced the video, but MSNBC considered it legitimate and accurate enough to meet their journalistic standards. In the video, NASA, astrophysicists and scientists in general were cited as the experts who characterized the star as "mysterious, baffling and puzzling.

So you're absolutely incorrect to claim my post contains no source, or I was misleading and inaccurate in any way. I merely posted what I heard on the video, and I am not personally responsible for it's opinions, or content which you have asserted time and time again in this thread

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The link you gave did not link to a video discussing this subject.

Nor have I found any other source speaking of a 2% loss of "radiant energy" from KIC 8462852.

What this is, is a star that periodically dims; with theories on the cause ranging from dyson spheres to proto planets.

If you think to rattle me with your posts, insults and mischaracterizations, perhaps hoping you can negatively affect my credibility in this forum, or maybe even cause me to doubt my own beliefs. I should inform you, I am no civilian in this regard. I became aware of the powers and principalities of the unseen world when I was only twelve years old, and now I'm sixty.

I spend more time observing the effects of the supernatural on the earthly world every day, than you spend being awake. So your attempt to manipulate what I believe, or what I post in this forum for that matter, is not only completely futile, but its' actually quite amusing to me. Lol.

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That really does come across as more than a little paranoid.

As I indicated in post #465, I have no interest in continuing this conversation with you, or entertaining any more of your persistent trivial complaints. Now you're just being boorish, rude and disruptive. Your violations of CF rules in this regard has been reported to staff for appropriate action.

Your attempt to have this thread permanently shut down is as transparent, as it is futile. It won't work, I guarantee it, it's been tried by others like you before. I'm done.

time is up-- He's coming for us soon-- should be any day now-- don't get left behind-- accept Jesus Christ as your Lord & Saviour today!

daughterofthemosthigh7 said:

time is up--

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Hoof beats of the Third Horseman

No question "time is up"... The world is on the brink of an economic catastrophe. The G-20 said yesterday the risk is rising as "anti-globalization" politics grow around the globe. Global trade is poised to collapse. Personal credit card debt in the United States exceeds $729 billion. Mortgage, auto and student loan debt totals $10.6 trillion according to 2015 statistics. Only about $250 billion in cash is in circulation in the U.S. to pay off all that debt, while unemployment has increased in the last three months of 2016. China and Saudi Arabia are also in a position to totally destroy the U.S. from the standpoint of production of goods and foreign debt, which amounts to about $50 trillion U.S. dollars in debt owed to both countries.

As the global economy worsens, all these creditors are going to realize they aren't ever going to get paid... and the bubble is going to pop !.. Not like the global economic recession and decline of 2008, this time it's going to be far worse. It's going to be unlike anything we have ever seen before in history. It's going to be Apocalyptic.


Hoof beats of the Fourth Horseman

Relations between Russia and the United States are deteriorating by the hour, as both countries prepare for war. Korea is ten years ahead of where we thought they were on the development of nuclear weapons, despite UN sanctions the Chinese are undermining, and a race to acquire nuclear arms has begun in the Middle East, while Russia has re-armed Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon with hundreds of thousands of advanced highly accurate missiles, carrying 1,000 lb. warheads, capable of reaching five Israeli cities, unlike the primitive, short range, small warhead, WWII style katyusha rockets Hezbollah had before.

Yep. It's fair to say "time is just about up".

Come Lord Jesus-- MARANATHA!

I feel really sorry to hear how many lives were lost in the hurricane—I heard it hit Cuba even worse than Hati. My thoughts go out to the families affected by these disasters.

daughterofthemosthigh7 said:

time is up-- He's coming for us soon-- should be any day now-- don't get left behind-- accept Jesus Christ as your Lord & Saviour today!

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Even not taking into account "No one knows the day or the hour", how do you know that Jesus is coming any day now? It was thought in Biblical times he was coming "any day now" too, and while there are many disasters going on the world, it may seem like much more than normal because these days with the spread of information, we're able to find out about them very quickly, and on a more widespread scale. If back then had the same technology and information as we do know, they'd likely be saying the same thing.