"Aliens", if there are actually "aliens", would have to had learn to become "Benevolent" as...

"Aliens", if there are actually "aliens", that is more advanced form's of us, would have to had learn to become "Benevolent" as a matter of self-preservation and survival...

I don't know that I believe that any life-form like us that existed before us, would have been able to continue much beyond us or where were currently at, without destroying and making themselves extinct, without divine intervention, on their own...

The only way I think they could have, is/was by becoming a lot less "Malevolent" and learning to become much more "Benevolent"... Which I don't think truly happens without divine intervention...

Anyhow, what do you think? If aliens exist, would they had to have learned, out of necessity to become "Benevolent" forsaking "Malevolence" in order to get far enough to become "aliens" or far more advanced than us...?

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SkyWriting said:

We are surviving, and we eat most other species we find. Occasionally we
define a "sustainable" harvest level.

There is not much food out there.

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How do you think the possible "aliens" solved that problem...?

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SkyWriting said:

There are none, so I don't.

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Ok, well then... What about us then, do you think we have to turn from malevolence to benevolence to have any hope of delaying or postponing judgment and temporarily saving or sparing ourselves, or at the very least not destroying us or our planet or making ourselves extinct...?

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TagliatelliMonster said:

Why? Clearly that is not a trait that is necessary for survival.
Take ants for example. Purely by population numbers, ants could be said to be one of the dominant species of the planet. They are EVERYWHERE. They are extremely successfull in surviving and reproducing.

There's no "benevolence" there, or even the opposite.

"benevolence" is a trait of a social structure, as it is known in the general culture of humans. I see no reason why an advanced extraterrestial civilisation could only become so advanced through the same social structures and customs that we humans engage in.
This need not be the case at all.



Again, you assume that an alien civilisation must be the same as human civilisation. Why? There is no reason to assume that their psychology, social contracts and constructs, culture, etc, are exactly like ours. In fact, I'ld expect it not to be...



Or just indifferent, like ants.



Only because you must believe that as it is required/implied by your religion.



Obviously, such a civilisation would have to be able to survive. Obviously that means that their culture / social constructs must be such that they don't consider it "normal behaviour" to run around killing eachother in a spiral of self-destruction.

Does that imply that they necessarily must have a hippy society that is all about peace and love and understanding and altruism? No, not at all.

It merely means that whatever the social construct looks like, it won't be a construct where everybody can just run around killing eachother in a spiral of self-destruction.

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Other species (I don't know what other term to use, but, "lower" than us) aren't capable of doing to our, or the world, what were capable of doing to it (like aliens, or something similar, are also)...

What would they have to have learned to survive, or "change" about themselves in order to survive past where we are currently at, in your opinion...?

Can we save ourselves before it's too late, or is it going to take beings more advanced than us, or further along than us, or past us, or beyond us, that have (perhaps) been here before, or been through where were currently at, to... well... what would they do "to" us, or "with" us, or hopefully "for" us...? If we can't do it ourselves...?

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TagliatelliMonster said:

True. But from that, it doesn't follow that what we do can only be the result of a social construct as we know it in our society.

Correlation does not imply causation.



As I explained, I consider this a very loaded question.
Again, it assumes that only our type of social construct can achieve technological feats.
I see no justification at all, that warrants such assumption.

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I'm not saying that only our, especially current type of social construct, can, but rather, that as it currently is, can't right now, making the necessity of something different than we currently are or have... We are social beings, and that cannot be changed, we need a new kind or type of social construct...

I'd like to point out, that any other species on our planet, if they had the ability to be like or as, or where were currently at or currently are, would be facing the same problem(s)... Say if we weren't descended from mammals, but say reptiles, that were and grew to be like and as intelligent and as advanced as us, as we are today, they'd be facing the same problem(s)... How to not behave like a virus, disease, plague, cancer, or infection in the world...

TagliatelliMonster said:

Even if we assume that there is such a thing as an advanced alien civilisation capable of interstellar travel, how would they know where to go, in order to visit earth?

From what I understand, life itself isn't necessarily rare.

But if we use the earth as a precedent (and we have no other choice, since it is our only example), life with high intelligence and technological capability would be rather rare. It took some 3.8 billion years of evolution for such a species to surface once.
And it's even only the last 2-300 years that we really started to become a "technological" society. Space travel was even completely unheared of only 3-4 generations ago.

And yes, regardless of the social constructs, there is a period of transition from "primitive technology" to "advanced technology" wich is a very very dangerous period.
The species is bound to bump into sources of energy capable of obliterating the planet several times over. Even with the most powerful sources we know today, we can't even build an engine that is capable of reaching the most nearby star within a single lifetime.

Regardless of "bad intentions", the development of these technologies themselves is extremely dangerous. One mistake can have catastrophic, cataclysmic effects.

So in all honesty, considering all the practical obstacles to get to a "galactic" civilisation and not even getting into the social construct of the species themselves, I'ld say that such a galactic society is so extremely unlikely, that we might as well call it "impossible" that we'll ever meet such aliens.

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Will we be able to become a galactic species in time...? Before it's too late...? Even if we do manage to spread to say, other planets like earth, we'd still have the same problem as a species... Even if we did manage to spread to another planet and populate it, this one still wouldn't have very long if we can't and don't see a change in our behavior or what we currently are or act like, (A virus, cancer, disease, infection, plague) and the next one we spread to wouldn't last long either, without a change...

Our technological advancement seems to be creating and making more problems for us than it solving or resolving or actually helping us with, in my opinion, and from what I observe and see...

I'm reminded of a song, "War is the answer..." And, it may be that perhaps, without a very large scale war, or global catastrophe of some kind, that wipes out quite a bit of the global population, something like this happening, in our current state, might actually be better for us as a species, as a whole, than it not happening at all right now, or in the near future...

I hope that doesn't happen, but I don't see any other solutions... Do you...?

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timewerx said:

We became far more advanced than hundreds of years ago simply being driven by greed.

Our evil ways won't stop us from soon developing a practical means to travel out to the stars. In fact, we are getting close.

Benevolence had nothing to do with exploring and even colonizing worlds beyond the Solar System. It's just down to luck. Free market would actually work across multiple star systems. We'll simply be spreading our destructive greed across a much bigger world than ever before.

Not unless there's a powerful benevolent alliances out there in space that will shoot down any greedy alien species leaving their own star system - to prevent them(or us) from turning pristine planets into cesspools of greed and despair and spreading our corrupt and evil ways elsewhere.

Unless there's a proof such an org exists, I'll just have to assume all aliens making a smooth landing on Earth are just as evil as we do or worse.

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I don't think there's enough time, without a global devastation to the global population happening long before that happens first, maybe, perhaps, after that, assuming some of us are still here or are still able to still be here afterward...

I have various reasons why I think and have come to know this, that I won't get into here... But, I have serious doubts that we'll get that far without a global worldwide devastation to the worldwide population first, that possibly could be the end of us all... That's what concerns me, we need more "time" than we have... This necessitates a change...

What kind of change though, is the question, even if it's only enough of a change to buy us more and perhaps just enough change to preserve the species, "Us"... Possibly all life on our planet, who knows... I don't think we have enough time, the way we currently are, to get at, or to "where" your proposing though... How do we buy more time...?

I highly suspect there are beings out there who know about this and have faced the same, and it leaves me wondering what they did...?

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