Who is the Anti-Christ (video)

Endtime Survivors said:

Hi all,
My friends and I made a short video (only 5 minutes). A good many of you would probably already be familiar with the content but I'd still be keen to hear your thoughts on our perspective and perhaps get some good discussion going about the various theories and possibilities. Let me know what you think.

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If a person doesn't know anything about the biblical background of the messiah, and thinks of the Anti-messiah (Antichrist) only in terms of some global dictator of Revelation, and jump right to those passage in putting together their theories, they will not understand the Antichrist.

Which, when I started studying the topic 45 years ago in my early twenties - that's what I did, and generally everyone does that. ....Until I started arguing with the Jews over Jesus, which drastically changed my opinion and view on the Antichrist.

First, what the Jews are expecting of their messiah (mashiach). From Judaism 101 site:

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.....

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

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The Antichrist will be some person who will be anointed the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king.

This eliminates:

1. the mahdi
2. Isa
3. any Muslim
4. the Pope
5. Barack Obama
6. anyone who is not a Jew.

The person will be the Antichrist - the King of Israel - for only approximately 3 years 4 months - before his time in the role as the Antichrist ends, when he commits the transgression of desolation, which the Jews will reject him as continuing as their king. For which, he persecutes them for the remainder of the 7 years until Jesus returns.

"Anti" a prefix meaning "against" and "instead of"
Christ - the anointed, hoped for King of Israel of the Jews.

Put together, "Anti-Christ" - someone who will be anointed the King of Israel - who will be against and instead of the rightful King of Israel, Jesus.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

So the person has to be a Jew to become the Antichrist. And after his time as the Antichrist - he becomes the beast, which the 666 requirement is tied to his time of being the beast.
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To figure out who the person is - when he emerges - it is necessary to look at his other biblical roles - other than being the Antichrist.

Where he comes from, and why the Jews will think he is their long-awaited Mashaich. And what he will do to confirm their belief that he is the mashiach. Which is why I posted that material from Judaism 101.



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Endtime Survivors said:

Hi all,
My friends and I made a short video (only 5 minutes). A good many of you would probably already be familiar with the content but I'd still be keen to hear your thoughts on our perspective and perhaps get some good discussion going about the various theories and possibilities. Let me know what you think.

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EtS,

I watched your video. If you want to find out who the antichrist is, read the book of Daniel. There's more information about him than any other book in the bible, probably more than all prophetic books in the old and new testaments combined. Daniel revealed a list of his characteristics. If you compare the list with some of the most influential leaders in the world today, I promise you'll find one that fits everything Daniel described down to the tee.

He's not hard to find if you use the bible. I've seen some people mentioned his name on this forum before and know there are people who knows who he is. But I would not rely solely on the gematria system to identify the name of the a/c based on the number 666 because you first have to know what the mark of the beast really is and how it ties into the a/c.

I had a chance to watch your mark of the beast video as well. I can tell you this for a fact it's not a RFID chip. Many people on this forum have already figured out what it is from what I have seen in past threads. God will not send anyone to hell or the Lake of Fire simply because they put something in their body. People have been doing this for decades, maybe centuries, anything from a artificial heart to pacemakers to metal plates and screws to heal bone fractures, even silicone implants for augmentation.

The mark of the beast is just something placed on the skin (right hand or forehead) of an individual revealing his/her allegiance to the beast and his religion. It's a person's creed that God is concerned about, not what they put in or on their bodies.


You'll find your answer in the book of Daniel. You'll find him faster if you follow the events surrounding the Middle East. Bible prophecies has always involved the Middle East. Israel is in the Middle East, and the man who will be the a/c is already playing a role involving Israel.













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Psalm3704 said:

Israel is in the Middle East, and the man who will be the a/c is already playing a role involving Israel.

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You claim to know who the person is?

What will make the Jews think that he is their hoped for mashaich, King of Israel, son of David ?

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists; whereby we know it is the last time, (1 John 2:18, KJV).

The term "antichrist" applies to anyone opposed to Christ. There were "antichrist" figures already working to undermine the Early Church from it's very beginnings, the Apostles warned about this "mystery of iniquity" in their letters to the churches. The Apocalypse has been ongoing since that time, and there have been a whole succession of prototype antichrists who have made their own contributions (both political and religious) to the final one world "government" of the antichrist that comes to power in the last seven years of history. So there is a distinction to be made between historical antichrists in general, and the final antichrist figures described in the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation.

As the video demonstrates, many Christians are confusing the "False" prophet antichrist identified in the Revelation (a religious figure), and the political antichrist figure described both in Daniel and the Revelation. These two figures are not one in the same, as some unread Christians believe. They are entirely "separate" beings, and represent two entirely "different" types of government. One ecclesiastical, and the other secular and political. This description is characterized in the Revelation, where the final and last "beast" system of government which exists during the Tribulation Period is described.

"Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had TWO horns like a lamb, but it spoke as a dragon" (Revelation 13:11, NIV).

As with the first beast which rises out of the sea having ten horns, these "horns" represent ten kingdoms, governed by dictators (kings) who have received no rightful kingdom, but exercise all the authority (power) of kings, (Revelation 17:12). So to be consistent with our interpretation, the "second and final beast system", must likewise consist of TWO kingdoms. One ecclesiastical governed by the "False Prophet" and the other governed by the antichrist figure of Daniel, who wields both "political and military" power. The beast with two horns like a lamb, that speaks as a dragon*

Question is, does such a system exist ? Has any system like this "risen" from the earth in recent history ? George Mario Bergoglio a Jesuit from the developing world was specifically chosen by the Vatican to become the champion of the threat posed by Climate Change to the earth. So it's correct to say his accent to power as Pope, is directly related to the politics of "saving the earth" from the threat of greenhouse gas e-missions by industrialized nations.

On the other hand, Vladimir Putin inherited his power from the collapsed Soviet Union, which began with Mikhail Gorbachev's call for reform after the Chernobyl disaster, politics also related to environmental concerns about the earth. So yes, the current regime in Russia under Vladimir Putin did literally "rise from the earth" as well. Coincidence ?

Russia under Vladimir Putin and the Vatican under Pope Francis. I can think of not two world leaders who wish more desperately to be perceived as "saviors of the world and peacemakers" (Peace being symbolized in the Bible by a lamb), and yet it remains to be seen whether the sanctions of the Paris Accord on Climate Change will be used as a political weapon against China (the greatest greenhouse gas violator), thus becoming the catalyst that ignites a war, and whether Putin will make good on his threat to use nuclear weapons against NATO, (they speak as a dragon). Coincidence, huh ?

Meanwhile the Pope prepares for his trip next month to consecrate an "Inter-faith" gathering of religions in Jerusalem (one world religion ?)... and Putin continues to modernize and build Russia's nuclear arsenal, while at the same time calling for a last Middle East Peace initiative to resolve the Palestinian issue in the West Bank (Judea) where the initial invasion of Israel during the Great Tribulation is scheduled to begin, (Matthew 24:16). More coincidence, huh ?

I honestly believe most Christians are way behind the curve on these prophesied events, and are going to be totally blindsided by them.

* Bible note. In Hebrew the word dragon is rendered as "tannin", it refers to a creature that dwells in desolate desert places, (the jackal). To speak as a dragon, is to "wail as a jackal". The wailing is a portent of coming destruction, (Jeremiah 9:11).

My comment

All of the above suggested are wrong .... all looking in the wrong place at the wrong people

The prophets have the rising, the affiliation, and the location

The setting is the Middle East with a focus upon Israel and the surrounding Muslim states

Satan's beast in the human little horn of Daniel and Revelation will arise in the region of northwestern Mesopotamia, the ancient land of Magog, Mesheck, and Tubal .... this is the same vortex of the Muslim states Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran .... where these Muslim states converge

This region is in chaos and upheaval as we speak .... divided and at war

The one called the "Assyrian" in Micah 5:5-6 is the one that some call the "antichrist" [against Jesus Christ] .... and his cult religion will be Islam

Straightshot said:

All of the above suggested are wrong .... all looking in the wrong place at the wrong people

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Naturally, I expected someone to try and "Judaize" these End Time prophecies, claiming they can only be fulfilled by events that take place in Israel and the Middle East, and nowhere else. No Surprise there. We've seen plenty of that in these threads already.

I also expect to hear from the Evangelicals who insist a European Union (Tim Le Haye style) "single" End Time dictator will emerge from the European Union, creating a one world government. Both are going to wallpaper this thread with their particular kind of nonsense. You were warned about that as well, (2 Timothy 4:3).

Like I said, most (Christians ?) are way behind the curve on these prophecies, and are going to be caught completely by surprise and unaware when they are otherwise being fulfilled right before their unbelieving eyes. Hence the seeming contradiction in the Gospel, how these events will take place as apparent as "lightening in the sky passing from the East, even unto the West" (Matthew 24:27), and yet the Second advent of Christ shall come as a "thief in the night", (Revelation 16:15).

As noted in post #5, The last (New Cold War era), beast system, that rises out of the earth, and has two horns like a lamb, but speaks as a dragon, already exists !

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The second beast of Revelation does already exist in a sense .... the Religion of Islam

This cult religion is divided at present, but will be united by the second beast to serve the first

Both of Satan's beasts are coming, but not yet present upon the earth

These two beasts are not systems, but fallen angels like Satan

And when the tribulation of the Lord's unmitigated judgment comes the entire world will shake across the globe, and the cities of the nations will become blade runner societies .... and the two beasts will be allowed to run rampant [Revelation 6:2-17; 13]

Douggg said:

If a person doesn't know anything about the biblical background of the messiah, and thinks of the Anti-messiah (Antichrist) only in terms of some global dictator of Revelation, and jump right to those passage in putting together their theories, they will not understand the Antichrist.

Which, when I started studying the topic 45 years ago in my early twenties - that's what I did, and generally everyone does that. ....Until I started arguing with the Jews over Jesus, which drastically changed my opinion and view on the Antichrist.

First, what the Jews are expecting of their messiah (mashiach). From Judaism 101 site:

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.....

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

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It is my understanding they expect messiah ben Joseph first, but i'm not so sure..
Itś a very complex topic

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The Antichrist will be some person who will be anointed the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king.

This eliminates:

1. the mahdi
2. Isa
3. any Muslim
4. the Pope
5. Barack Obama
6. anyone who is not a Jew.

The person will be the Antichrist - the King of Israel - for only approximately 3 years 4 months - before his time in the role as the Antichrist ends, when he commits the transgression of desolation, which the Jews will reject him as continuing as their king.

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I'm not too sure about that...
I.m.o. only a remnant will reject the false messiah.
But here's why i reply:
I think we can expect a "false flag anti-christ" first, which will be a more obvious abomination.
I think there might be a big role in that one for the Papal institutes.
This will make the actual anti-christ all the more convincing.

But this is such controversial stuff, i can only try to make sure to be vigilant.
Frankly i dearly hope i will have passed away before the s*** really hits the fan..

Endtime Survivors said:

I must be misunderstanding your position, Douggg. Jeremiah 23:5 says, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth".

Surely you're not suggesting the AC will be a righteous branch who brings justice to the earth?

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I posted what the Jews are expecting in their mashiach. The Antichrist will certainly never achieve all of those. But he will do enough to make them think his is their mashiach namely (appearing) to fight the battles of God in defending Israel. He will appear to them that was intentions to stave off Gog/Magog. And he will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years of Daniel 9:26, following the law Moses made in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. And being the leader of the EU, he will be a great politician they are expecting.

Also the many Jews think he will arrived following Gog/Magog. Which in fact is will appear to happen. The seven years are in Ezekiel 39, between the two feasts, and between the lines of 39:16 and 39:17

Also, the mashiah, anointed one, will be anointed King of Israel, the Jew believe by a know prophet, which since they believe there are no new prophets since the old testament times, it will be the false prophet, claiming to Elijah, who will anoint him.

Jews in their passover seder (meal) set a place for Elijah, symbolic that they are hoping for and expecting him to come.

The Antichrist will appeal to the Jews because he will also say that Jesus was not the messiah, giving all the rationale they currently use. He will exalt the Torah and be into Kaballah, Jewish mysticism.

So convincing will his case be, that many Christians will fall away from believing Jesus during the early part of his time as the King of Israel. Which will be the great falling away in 2thessalonians2:3.

Endtime Survivors said:

This is pretty close to what the video suggests. My interpretation is that the beast with "two horns like a lamb, but speaking as a dragon" likely implies that this false prophet will at least have the appearance of a Christian figure (i.e. Christ as the lamb which was slain) but his speech will promote the values of the Beast (i.e. anything which turns people away from faith in God, including materialism, fear, and pride in all their various iterations). The basic idea is the same described in Revelation 2 where Jesus rebukes some people for being luke-warm. He said that kind of thing makes God sick, because it causes so much confusion, and I think we can see a fair bit of that in the world today; Christians who say one thing but behave very differently.

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Has nothing to do with Christianity, the Pope, because the Pope is not the high priest, which is the pattern made in the Exodus, when Aaron was made high priest. Jesus is our high priest in heaven. The one God has chosen to be our high priest.

The comparison to Jesus, the lamb, our high priest, just means the false prophet will be Satan's high priest who will demand everyone to worship the beast and his image.

Hieronymus said:

It is my understanding they expect messiah ben Joseph first, but i'm not so sure..
Itś a very complex topic

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Some of them do. But when they speak of "the" mashiach, (meh-she-ah is the way they pronounce it), it is messiah ben David. You can go to MessiahTruth.com, General Judaism forum, and ask them over there about Messiah ben Joseph.

You are absolutely right about it being a complex topic. Basically what Jews based their beliefs on the messiah is that they follow the teachings of the RAMBAM, Maimonides.

Hieronymus said:

But this is such controversial stuff, i can only try to make sure to be vigilant.
Frankly i dearly hope i will have passed away before the s*** really hits the fan..

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What I think is that Jesus will take Christians out of the world before the person claims to be God. So that should be good news for you because all the troubles you have in this world - there is light at the end of the tunnel - 2033 1/2 at the most. I am thinking a lot closer than that - given Russia's presence in the middle east, muslim resentment building in Europe. Gog/Magog will take place - then afterward the anointing of the false messiah, King of Israel.

2030 at the latest, the Antichrist confirms the covenant. That is only about 13 years away. Not a big window. So you definitely have reason to preserver .

Douggg said:

What I think is that Jesus will take Christians out of the world before the person claims to be God. So that should be good news for you because all the troubles you have in this world - there is light at the end of the tunnel - 2033 1/2 at the most. I am thinking a lot closer than that - given Russia's presence in the middle east, muslim resentment building in Europe. Gog/Magog will take place - then afterward the anointing of the false messiah, King of Israel.

2030 at the latest, the Antichrist confirms the covenant. That is only about 13 years away. Not a big window. So you definitely have reason to preserver .

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Who knows?
Apparently it's important to not receive the mark of the beast too, so any rapture would be just before or simultaneous with Christ's return.
(I tend to place God Magog after the millennium though.)

Endtime Survivors said:

I'd suggest that the Pope is a pretty good candidate for the false prophet as he'd fit the criteria. He's extremely popular with Catholics and Christians alike (technically Catholics are meant to be Christian I think, but there sure does seem to be a lot of division anyway).

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I agree. I am not attacking Catholics on the basis of their doctrinal beliefs. I don't agree with everything the Catholic Church teaches, but I'm not saying they aren't Christians either. New Orleans is heavily Catholic. I grew up there, and I have known many Catholics who were extremely spiritual and very good people, especially when it comes to helping those who are less fortunate than they are. I've yet to meet a Catholic who would slam the door in your face, if you're asking them to help feed the poor, or help the homeless.

Having said that, I am very dubious about the Vatican State and it's politics, (as are some Catholics). While Pope Francis has been wildly popular, he has also been a highly controversial figure as well.

Denouncing the literal interpretation of the Bible and labeling fundamentalist Christians a "sickness". Openly supporting the LGBT community, even to the extent they should be welcomed as part of the Church laity. Permitting common priests to offer absolution for casual divorce and abortions. His visceral attacks on capitalism and unqualified support for the Inter-faith movement, embracing religions like Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism, represent just a few of the firestorms that have occurred in the RCC during his short Papal reign.

Is Pope Francis the "False Prophet" antichrist of End Time Bible prophecy ? The man of sin ? For me that hinges on whether the economic sanctions of the Paris Accord on Climate Change are going to be used to "Save the Earth", or whether they will be used as a political weapon that ignites a "Third World War" and destroys the Earth. The Paris Accord could become the greatest LIE perpetrated in the history of the world.

Either way, we'll know before much longer. The continued events of environmental chaos and destruction around the world will ensure the sanctions of the Paris Accord are implemented soon.

"For this reason God sends them a strong delusion, that they should believe a LIE", (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

Endtime Survivors said:

I realize you've suggested people read various parts of the Bible to get information, but this is also a discussion forum so if you have any insight on how those various parts of the Bible shed light on who is the AntiChrist then please do feel free to elaborate on your interpretation.

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This should help. Here are most of the verses about the a/c.



This website didn't include "the desire of women" from Daniel 11:37. The word desire used in the translation is a little misleading as many people presumed the a/c to be homosexual, which is not the case. A more accurate description would be something along the lines of a male-chauvinist as he's against women's rights and does not consider women in the same class as men. He values women the same way the devil does as depicted in the scripture between the woman the serpent. You'll find he's also very impulsive and prideful, and very ambitiously cunning.









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