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Is anyone else concerned that the closer this practice comes to being a major thing, the closer we get to a world where old people might be pressured by their children or other factions to just go through with it? To save medical costs and to move inheritance more quickly? Or that it might start being pushed as a way of dealing with age itself?
 

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Is anyone else concerned that the closer this practice comes to being a major thing, the closer we get to a world where old people might be pressured by their children or other factions to just go through with it? To save medical costs and to move inheritance more quickly? Or that it might start being pushed as a way of dealing with age itself?

I don't expect any of those things to happen. And honestly, I'm not going to worry about a bunch of made-up Logan's Run what-ifs while real people are being made to suffer.
 
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Life is hard. Without equally hard reasons to stay alive, death often presents itself as the most rational of choices. Often, better to die than to live, and better than both is to never have been born at all.

God, and God alone, serves as the the sufficient reason and the sufficient justification for living a life from conception until its natural end.
Neitzche was the prophet of the Age of Nihilism that we now find ourselves in. It was not something that he reveled in either. He found the idea deeply disturbing, and his later years of descent into the insanity of living out his death as the Crucified Christ demonstrated how truly disturbing life without God can become.

As long as the material comforts and social supports remain there, people can find their own personal reasons for getting up in the morning. When the well runs dry, without God, death becomes the more reasonable proposition.
 
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I don't expect any of those things to happen. And honestly, I'm not going to worry about a bunch of made-up Logan's Run what-ifs while real people are being made to suffer.

I read your profile and see you are a ways from being able to retire. With that I mind, I am 71, and may I share something with you. When I turned 70 I was told that the A1C test target was raised to 7.5. That might mean for some they don't have to use as much medication. That saves Medicare money, by using less meds. Then the annual physical exams for prostrate cancer or the PSA tests are not done as often, even though cancer as we grow older is much more common. The tell you prostrate cancer is slow growing, but not always.

Theses are just two examples that might seem minor, but when adding in other tests that have changed as well, the Government is making older folks more open do dying sooner. I never thought that as I grew older I would get less care. And yes some older as well as younger people are more open to electing to kill themselves with the aid of Doctors.

I hope you give this some more thought. Blessings.
 
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I read your profile and see you are a ways from being able to retire. With that I mind, I am 71, and may I share something with you. When I turned 70 I was told that the A1C test target was raised to 7.5. That might mean for some they don't have to use as much medication. That saves Medicare money, by using less meds. Then the annual physical exams for prostrate cancer or the PSA tests are not done as often, even though cancer as we grow older is much more common. The tell you prostrate cancer is slow growing, but not always.

Theses are just two examples that might seem minor, but when adding in other tests that have changed as well, the Government is making older folks more open do dying sooner. I never thought that as I grew older I would get less care. And yes some older as well as younger people are more open to electing to kill themselves with the aid of Doctors.

I hope you give this some more thought. Blessings.

Tests will always be refined as we gather more and more data on the effectiveness of treatments. That's to be expected.

In the US, life expectancy has gone up dramatically. Used to be, a man might hope to reach threescore years and ten, but now he can reasonably expect to see his 77th birthday. For women, the average is almost 83 years old.

So no, doctors and the government aren't making older folks more open to dying.
 
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Euthanasia, like abortion, is murder.

"Soylent Green is people!"


The Movie was very intriguing, and it still comes on tv once and a while. But we are feeding the fish the ashes of people dumped in the sea, lakes, and rivers, that we swim in and yes even drink the water!
 
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Tests will always be refined as we gather more and more data on the effectiveness of treatments. That's to be expected.

In the US, life expectancy has gone up dramatically. Used to be, a man might hope to reach threescore years and ten, but now he can reasonably expect to see his 77th birthday. For women, the average is almost 83 years old.

So no, doctors and the government aren't making older folks more open to dying.


Perhaps someday you might change our mind. Don't trust all you read about older adults and health care. Blessings.
 
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Is anyone else concerned that the closer this practice comes to being a major thing, the closer we get to a world where old people might be pressured by their children or other factions to just go through with it? To save medical costs and to move inheritance more quickly? Or that it might start being pushed as a way of dealing with age itself?

No, I don't.

After watching my mother pass? I wrote my own will in a certain fashion, because I don't want to go through what she did - and I don't want my children to witness it like I did.

Mother entered her dying stage, and her stomach and kidneys shut down. I watched her struggle and scream for 14 long days. She was only suppose to go 3-4 days, but she was healthy besides her alzheimer's. It allowed her to struggle longer. I felt the whole experience was cruel for her.

I guess I am more concerned about allowing people to suffer that long when everyone knows there is no true relief until its over. It was her I was concerned about, and not medical costs, inheritance, getting it over with, or how to deal with age. I just wanted her to have peace in God's hands finally.
 
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Just this past March my mother-in-law died a gentle death at the age of 99. She fell asleep on Thursday and died Saturday. However, she was more than ready to die and I suspect would have chosen to die much earlier if she had the opportunity to do so. I loved her and would have assisted if I could.
 
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I'm actually concerned how euthanasia has widened in countries such as the Netherlands to include "incurably" mentally ill people suffering from depression. I think it is due to a society that has rejected Christianity.
 
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I don't expect any of those things to happen. And honestly, I'm not going to worry about a bunch of made-up Logan's Run what-ifs while real people are being made to suffer.

You don't have to look very far to find children who exploit their parents in order to get a larger portion of their inheritance.

Nor do you have to look very far to find children who abandon their parents in their infirmity, and resent the burden placed on them by their parents.

It's hardly science fiction to think that such children would kill their parents (or, if you prefer, heavily encourage their parents to kill themselves) if given a legal and culturally acceptable way of accomplishing it.
 
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You don't have to look very far to find children who exploit their parents in order to get a larger portion of their inheritance.

Nor do you have to look very far to find children who abandon their parents in their infirmity, and resent the burden placed on them by their parents.

It's hardly science fiction to think that such children would kill their parents (or, if you prefer, heavily encourage their parents to kill themselves) if given a legal and culturally acceptable way of accomplishing it.

As long as the parents are sound of mind--as I believe such laws require--then it's not my business.
 
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As long as the parents are sound of mind--as I believe such laws require--then it's not my business.

If a teenage girl is sound of mind and decides that because her boyfriend dumped her that she doesn't want to live anymore, would you consider that to be anyone else's business?
 
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If a teenage girl is sound of mind and decides that because her boyfriend dumped her that she doesn't want to live anymore, would you consider that to be anyone else's business?

That's not the sort of thing that euthanasia laws cover.
 
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If a teenage girl is sound of mind and decides that because her boyfriend dumped her that she doesn't want to live anymore, would you consider that to be anyone else's business?
Apparently it's okay for someone else to urge her to kill herself as well.
 
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That's not the sort of thing that euthanasia laws cover.

Only because lawmakers consider the lives of teenage girls to be important enough that their suicides should be prevented, while the lives of the elderly and disabled are not worth that much.
 
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