Why is that so sad?Crib doesn't believe he is a part of Israel and sadly, he may be right....
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Please explain. I read your quote easy enough. I fail to see where it says anything about being part of Israel.
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Verse15 is not an injunction to attend the synagogue.
Why doesn't the letter them to keep the Sabbath and be circumcised as the law requires? After all that is the issue of the council.
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Problem is you can't stop breaking the law and will never succeed in keeping it as Jesus did.
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That's a defeatist attitude.
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
If they can do it, so can we. In fact, Zecharias was a priest, so he had tons of extra laws we don't even have to worry about, and he still kept them. We should have a much easier time keeping it than they did.
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Slow down and take a few breathes before making more unproven claims. This thread is called "bet you didn't know" because it's evident what some folks as yourself assume you know what God's word is saying. Then when challenge to give proof for your statements, you try to sell more commentary than scripture. #1.You're mistaken in believing that access to the New Covenant requires being the children of Israel. (You made no quotation from the scriptures.)
Here is what we do agree about:
Yes, the old covenant was made with the children of Israel.
Yes, the new covenant was made with the children of Israel.
If these fact changes, then the word of God changes.
Here is why I suspect that "you didn't know" is truth: "The word of God from Genesis to Malachi" in many instances is called "the law".
You appear to limit "the law" to the 10commandments.
You're failing to understand that prophesies in the law (in the word of God from Genesis-Malachi) would fail if a comma changes. That's what Jesus is express in Matt5.
You've reason in error that; because the old and new covenants was made with the Children of Israel, means that those covenants were only for the children of Israel.
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Research should help you to see that the Olive Tree represents all of Abrahams Children. The Children of Israel represents a branch that was broken off the tree. The Gentiles represents a branch that was grafted into the root. Gentiles are not grafted into the broken of branch.
The remnant are a small branch who remained on the tree. They fulfilled the prophesy about who the covenants was made with.
The gospel coming to the Jews first and secondly to the Gentiles is evidence that God's kept His covenant to the Jews. They was broken by their unbelief ( Rom 11:20)
When Paul explained: "..they're not all Israel which are of Israel," he was pointing out that not 100% of the Israel would received the promise because their ansestry was from Abraham.
Rom 9:6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Paul made it clear that the promise would come through the lineage nevertheless. (through Isaac not Ishmael, through Jacob not Esau)
Matthew's genealogy gives us the lineage from Abraham to Jesus to show us the fulfilled prophesy in Genesis about the seed of woman (Gen 3:15), seed of Abraham (Gen 28:14).
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No I do not limit the law to the 10 commandments, the word Law is Torah - instructions. You can go ahead and keep breaking the least of these commandments and teaching men so and be called least in the kingdom, if others want to do and teach them they will be called great in the kingdom, not my words but Jesus'. Your choice.
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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Yep, straight from the mouth of Jesus. I say if Paul seems to be contradicting Jesus, I'd rather follow Jesus than Paul. But I don't think it's necessary to pit them against each other seeing as Paul is talking about freeing us from the oral law, not God's own law.
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Clue:That still spells out what you think only the law is.
What law I'm I breaking or telling men to break?
You think you're keeping the law and Christians are breaking God's law?
You're judging me as a breaker of the law and we're guessing you are not?
Clue: Try not to make these posts personal because it goes downhill from there.
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Did it ever occur to you that what both Jesus and Paul are saying is truth we can believe in? The fact that Jesus came unto the Jews and taught them proper application of the law is a fact. The fact that Jesus sent Paul to teach righteousness by faith apart from the law is a fact. You choose to reject what Paul teaches by ignoring more than a half the New testament. You take pride in posting from a covenant that God promised to replace with a new one. You argue that the commandments under the New Covenant are not new, but Jesus said it is.
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I'm quoting Jesus that's all, if truth hurts than that's too bad. You can keep ignoring what I keep quoting and still make it to the kingdom but you may be called Least. Now it's not entirely your fault because that's how christianity has been hijacked and people have been taught by their pastors half truths. I'm not judging you the word of God is judging you. "Sin is the transgression of the law" Have you ever said or argued that the Law of God is done away with, nailed to the cross, that we are now under grace and we need not to concern ourselves with the Law? that it's Ok to eat things unclean ? that the 7th day that God blessed and hallowed at creation is not important and instead you follow traditions of men? that you could care less about any HolyDays God set aside for his people and instead follow man's holiday traditions ? What about Tithing? Do you rob God? God's Law is Holy and Good, all throughout the bible it is lifted up, try reading psalm 119. I may not be perfect but I am letting the spirit of God lead me and slowly I am shedding the traditions and instead trying to follow God's word.
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I don't break Torah because Gentiles have never been under Torah for one. Secondly and just as important The old covenant ended at Jesus death when His blood ratified the beginning of the new and better covenant. Jesus didn't have to come to abolish Torah, Israel did that.
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Amen. Those who follow and teach the law are going to be great in the kingdom, others will either be called least (Matthew 5:19) or not even make it at all (Matthew 7:21-23). Jesus says man is to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4).
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Bob Bob, why don't you just listen to the words of Jesus, "...till heaven and earth pass not one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the Law and the prophets. " I'm not gonna keep repeating myself. Read Matt 5, according to Jesus there are going to be people on the kingdom that are called Least and there are going to be people that are called Great. You can be called least if you want but I rather be called great.... by accepting God's Holy Law and applying it to my life. Ohh what a burden it is.. oh my oh my.
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I'm sure you can reason away what happens to the man who kept the law but did not answer the call to sell what he had and follow Jesus.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
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Why is it you stop in the middle of a thought? Is it because you don't know any better oar maybe you are trying to get a point across and you really do not have any scripture that proves your point and so you cherry pick partial thoughts.
May I introduce to you the following: "until everything is accomplished."
Jesus accomplished everything concerning keeping the Torah. If you deny that then you are calling Jesus a liar because in the same thought He said: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus didn't have to abolish the law, the Israelites abolished it when they continuously broke the covenant. Everyone knows that a covenant is void if one party of the covenant does not live up to the standard of the covenant.
Why do you think by accepting the defunct Torah, given only to Israel, you are going to be called great in the Kingdom? In the first place you do not "keep" Torah. No one ever did and certainly not now without the Levite priesthood and the Temple. Remember what you wrote: "not one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the Law and the prophets."
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Not according to God, he said even when Israel breaks their part of the bargain he still won't break his end.
Leviticus 26:43-45 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes. And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
Psalms 89:30-34 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Deuteronomy 29-30 tells us that if Israel breaks their end of the covenant, God will scatter them throughout the nations, but if they will repent he will bring them back to their land. Ezekiel 36:17-38 tells us even once the name of God is blasphemed among the heathen because of their disobedience, he will still bring them back to their land for his name's sake, to honor his promise. Jeremiah 31:35-37 says God's covenant with the nation of Israel is as sure as the the ordinance of the host of heaven and ocean continuing, if those stop, then he would cast Israel off for their transgressions.
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