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There are many people that don't agree or understand that the Covenant made at Sinai is the ten words (10 commandments). It is quite evident that when they read the promise of the New Covenant they end up with the same old covenant written on their heart. :scratch::scratch::scratch:

Deut 5 , Moses explains the covenant and what happened almost 40yrs after Exodus 20.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
(Horeb means dessert, it's another name for Mt. Sinai.)
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
(There should be no doubt who the covenant was not made with. It was not the fathers before Moses and it was not made with other people than those freed from Egypt.)
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
As you should know, the following texts ( Deut 5:6-21 )are the listing of the ten commandments.
CLUE: The whole 5th chapter of Deuteronomy is dedicated to what is called the covenant.
The 6th chapter of Deuteronomy begins with identifying what Christ calls the first commandment in the law.

Deu 6:1Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deu 6:4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

If the covenant with Moses is the ten commandment and God promised to give a new covenant unlike the one given to the people at Sinai. Some people are really confused about the content of the New Covenant.
 
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Nice to see Bugkiller is keeping your 'like' count up... at least someone agrees with you Crib.
Are you trying to tell everyone Crib and me are the same person? Or are you just jealous I refuse to endorse you?

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There are many people that don't agree or understand that the Covenant made at Sinai is the ten words (10 commandments). It is quite evident that when they read the promise of the New Covenant they end up with the same old covenant written on their heart. :scratch::scratch::scratch:

Deut 5 , Moses explains the covenant and what happened almost 40yrs after Exodus 20.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
(Horeb means dessert, it's another name for Mt. Sinai.)
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
(There should be no doubt who the covenant was not made with. It was not the fathers before Moses and it was not made with other people than those freed from Egypt.)
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
As you should know, the following texts ( Deut 5:6-21 )are the listing of the ten commandments.
CLUE: The whole 5th chapter of Deuteronomy is dedicated to what is called the covenant.
The 6th chapter of Deuteronomy begins with identifying what Christ calls the first commandment in the law.

Deu 6:1Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deu 6:4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.


If the covenant with Moses is the ten commandment and God promised to give a new covenant unlike the one given to the people at Sinai. Some people are really confused about the content of the New Covenant.
Again, Jesus gave the understanding which of the commandments was the 1st commandment in the law. Many are perplexed that He quoted from Deut 6 and not Deut 5.
Mar 12:28 ¶ And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Deu 6:4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The point being made is: Jesus knew what was written by Moses and that Deut 5 is the covenant and Deut 6 begins the commandments.
 
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Nice to see Bugkiller is keeping your 'like' count up... at least someone agrees with you Crib.
What is truth to you? If you don't agree then explain why what Jesus said was the first commandment is listed in Deut 6?
 
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Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

The ten commandments are the words of the covenant. So when God promised a new covenant, how could it possibly be the ten commandments which is the old covenant?
 
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Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Facts listed in these text above show that Sabbath was not a creation issue.
The Sabbath is a covenant with the Children of Israel issue.
The Sabbath is a sign between God and the Children of Israel issue.

What's reiterated about creation rest, is that God rested on the seventh day.
There is no hint about Sabbath at creation or man being given rest at creation.
 
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Why does Paul take us through several of them then? What authority did he have to tell us not to commit adultery, kill, steal, lie, or covet in Romans 13:8? Why did he tell us to obey parents in Ephesians 6:2, even mentioning the blessing found in Deuteronomy 5:16/Exodus 20:12? Why does warn not to make graven images of God in Acts 17:29? Why does he exhort us not to fall into idolatry in 1 Corinthians 10:7 Aren't we free from these?

Could it be that all scripture is for our instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)? Maybe the stories of people getting punished in the Old Testament were to be examples for us not to fall into the same mistakes (1 Corinthians 10:11). The things written before seem to be for our learning (Romans 15:4).
 
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There are many people that don't agree or understand that the Covenant made at Sinai is the ten words (10 commandments). It is quite evident that when they read the promise of the New Covenant they end up with the same old covenant written on their heart. :scratch::scratch::scratch:

Deut 5 , Moses explains the covenant and what happened almost 40yrs after Exodus 20.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
(Horeb means dessert, it's another name for Mt. Sinai.)
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
(There should be no doubt who the covenant was not made with. It was not the fathers before Moses and it was not made with other people than those freed from Egypt.)
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
As you should know, the following texts ( Deut 5:6-21 )are the listing of the ten commandments.
CLUE: The whole 5th chapter of Deuteronomy is dedicated to what is called the covenant.
The 6th chapter of Deuteronomy begins with identifying what Christ calls the first commandment in the law.

Deu 6:1Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deu 6:4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

If the covenant with Moses is the ten commandment and God promised to give a new covenant unlike the one given to the people at Sinai. Some people are really confused about the content of the New Covenant.

Do you think Christians should do what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good? If, so, then it shouldn't matter under which covenant God revealed how to do that. Even if God had made no covenants with man, we should still seek to do what is holy, righteous, and good because God is holy, righteous, and good. Someone who was part of the Mosaic Covenant who violated the Ten Commandments was guilty of violating their covenant, but they were also guilty of not acting in line with God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness, while someone not part of the covenant is still guilty of not acting in line with God's character. God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness do not change, so the actions that He has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good do not change, which the Ten Commandments are part of.

One of the things that everyone in Hebrews 11 had in common was that they all heard the voice of God. This was the type of relationship that God wanted with Israel, but when He spoke with them, they chose to have Moses as mediator instead (Exodus 20:19). The New Covenant is not like the Mosaic covenant because it does not use man as a mediator, and the New Covenant was essentially made to fix that problem.
 
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Do you think Christians should do what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good?
Not to mention spiritual (Romans 7:14), pure, simple, right, clean, true, more desirable than gold, sweeter than honey (Psalms 19:7-10), sure, forever (Psalms 111:7-8), better than thousands of gold and silver (Psalms 119:72), good doctrine (Proverbs 4:3), and so on.
 
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There are many people that don't agree or understand that the Covenant made at Sinai is the ten words (10 commandments). It is quite evident that when they read the promise of the New Covenant they end up with the same old covenant written on their heart. :scratch::scratch::scratch:

Deut 5 , Moses explains the covenant and what happened almost 40yrs after Exodus 20.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
(Horeb means dessert, it's another name for Mt. Sinai.)
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
(There should be no doubt who the covenant was not made with. It was not the fathers before Moses and it was not made with other people than those freed from Egypt.)
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
As you should know, the following texts ( Deut 5:6-21 )are the listing of the ten commandments.
CLUE: The whole 5th chapter of Deuteronomy is dedicated to what is called the covenant.
The 6th chapter of Deuteronomy begins with identifying what Christ calls the first commandment in the law.

Deu 6:1Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
Deu 6:4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

If the covenant with Moses is the ten commandment and God promised to give a new covenant unlike the one given to the people at Sinai. Some people are really confused about the content of the New Covenant.
They cant handle direct communication so they'll avoid addressing the OP or what is the old or new covenant.
 
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They cant handle direct communication so they'll avoid addressing the OP or what is the old or new covenant.

I could grant everything you said about the Old Covenant being the Ten Commandments, but that is still irrelevant if anyone not under the Old Covenant should nevertheless still do what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good.
 
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Why does Paul take us through several of them then? What authority did he have to tell us not to commit adultery, kill, steal, lie, or covet in Romans 13:8? Why did he tell us to obey parents in Ephesians 6:2, even mentioning the blessing found in Deuteronomy 5:16/Exodus 20:12? Why does warn not to make graven images of God in Acts 17:29? Why does he exhort us not to fall into idolatry in 1 Corinthians 10:7 Aren't we free from these?

Could it be that all scripture is for our instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)? Maybe the stories of people getting punished in the Old Testament were to be examples for us not to fall into the same mistakes (1 Corinthians 10:11). The things written before seem to be for our learning (Romans 15:4).
It's no secret that 9 of the 10 commandments and countless more acts of sins are reiterated in the NT and under the new covenant. Yes, God requires holiness and righteousness.

You guys cant accept the scriptures saying that Sabbath was a sign of the covenant and therefore not required of Christians.

2Ki 17:36 But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.
2Ki 17:37 And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.
2Ki 17:38 And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.
 
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Can someone please tell me who the New Covenant for for? Jer 31 & Heb 8 is quite clear

Can some please please list the commands Christians are to follow? The great 2 are from the OT Lev 19:18 & Deut 6:5

List where Jesus said he is going to have a new set of commands specifically for Christians?

Where does the bible say in the 40 days on earth after the Resurrection where Jesus was canceling the Sabbath and setting up Sunday churches?

Why does the book of Acts show repeatedly the Gentiles gathering on the Sabbath?

Please show where God said Jews and Gentiles will each have their own set of laws?

The 1050 commands of the NT are copied from the OT and expanded and while they are all do able, they are still for the OT commands because there was no such thing as a NT back then.
 
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Can someone please tell me who the New Covenant for for? Jer 31 & Heb 8 is quite clear
Congratulations Saan, you answered your own question

Can some please please list the commands Christians are to follow? The great 2 are from the OT Lev 19:18 & Deut 6:5
A new commandment I give you that you love one another as I have loved you. Do you see that commandment in the old covenant? If so where. Jesus laid down His life for me because of His love. Think!

List where Jesus said he is going to have a new set of commands specifically for Christians?
Jesus through His apostle John (how many times must I repeat this my friend) in 1Jn3:19-24. We know we are doing right if we "believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us." Read Jn 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Where does the bible say in the 40 days on earth after the Resurrection where Jesus was canceling the Sabbath and setting up Sunday churches?
It doesn't, but who said He did such a thing? Maybe you have been fed a bunch of bologna from those who convinced you to become what you are.

Why does the book of Acts show repeatedly the Gentiles gathering on the Sabbath?
Repeatedly??? Lets look at the times Gentiles gathered on Sabbath. Even when they did it was to hear the Gospel, not Jewish rituals
Acts 1:12
[ Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas ] Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk from the city. Nope, not here

Acts 13:14
From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down. Nope, not here

Acts 13:27
The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath. Nope, not here

Acts 13:42
As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath. Nope, not here

Acts 13:44
On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. Could be here

Acts 15:21
For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” Nope, not here

Acts 16:13
On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there. Hmmm! Could have been some gentiles there to hear about the Savior.

Acts 17:2
As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Nope, not here

Acts 18:4
Every Sabbath he reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks. Yep, Paul was there to persuade Jews and Greeks. I bet my britches he wasn't persuading them to observe the Torah. The Jews were already observant


Please show where God said Jews and Gentiles will each have their own set of laws?
Who has said He did? We are all under the new covenant. Jews just haven't got around to believe. It is there awaiting them when they give their hearts to Jesus.

The 1050 commands of the NT are copied from the OT and expanded and while they are all do able, they are still for the OT commands because there was no such thing as a NT back then.
Not all, the most important one is the one I spoke of above. Nothing like that in the OT. And I really believe tht we ahve some laws that were never mentioned in the old. Want to take the challenge to find out if what you wrote is entirely true?

Okay Saan, would you care to restate your statement: "Why does the book of Acts show repeatedly( my emphasis) the Gentiles gathering on the Sabbath?"
 
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Why does Paul take us through several of them then? What authority did he have to tell us not to commit adultery, kill, steal, lie, or covet in Romans 13:8? Why did he tell us to obey parents in Ephesians 6:2, even mentioning the blessing found in Deuteronomy 5:16/Exodus 20:12? Why does warn not to make graven images of God in Acts 17:29? Why does he exhort us not to fall into idolatry in 1 Corinthians 10:7 Aren't we free from these?

Could it be that all scripture is for our instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)? Maybe the stories of people getting punished in the Old Testament were to be examples for us not to fall into the same mistakes (1 Corinthians 10:11). The things written before seem to be for our learning (Romans 15:4).
What is love?

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Do you think Christians should do what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good? If, so, then it shouldn't matter under which covenant God revealed how to do that. Even if God had made no covenants with man, we should still seek to do what is holy, righteous, and good because God is holy, righteous, and good. Someone who was part of the Mosaic Covenant who violated the Ten Commandments was guilty of violating their covenant, but they were also guilty of not acting in line with God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness, while someone not part of the covenant is still guilty of not acting in line with God's character. God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness do not change, so the actions that He has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good do not change, which the Ten Commandments are part of.

One of the things that everyone in Hebrews 11 had in common was that they all heard the voice of God. This was the type of relationship that God wanted with Israel, but when He spoke with them, they chose to have Moses as mediator instead (Exodus 20:19). The New Covenant is not like the Mosaic covenant because it does not use man as a mediator, and the New Covenant was essentially made to fix that problem.
How can anyone follow opposing covenants?

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